Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

[Richard_H]

Christmas is a time of goodwill to all men - maybe Mikey will re-instate us :lol:

If this was on RS...some of us would have already been banned for off topic comments :lol: :lol: :lol: ......Quite a shame on us Americans as the only forum with freedom of speech is a UK forum :lol: :lol: :lol:

And we're back to normal now :lol:

 

[mr_palitoy]

Thanks Wolgang, Have updated the list with 50/50 splits (see below). Have also
done a 50/50 split for German/Palitoy Chewbacca as that is considered common
on your guide and I can see GM Chewbacca for sale on toytoni.com

cheers Jason

Clipper ESB

72 Rebel Commander
69 Bespin Security Guard White
69 Hammerhead
56 Walrusman
11 Dengar

General Mills ESB

563 Han Hoth
526 Stormtrooper
500 Bossk
357 C3PO Removable Limbs
320 AT-AT Driver
318 Bespin Security Guard Black
276 IG88
268 21B
194 Han Solo
171 R2D2 Sensorscope
166 Leia Bespin
162 Han Bespin
138 Ben Kenobi
118 Power Droid
85 Yoda
73 Rebel Commander
70 AT-AT Commander
69 Bespin Security Guard White
66 Chewbacca
50 Leia Hoth
36 Rebel Soldier
26 FX-7
25 Princess Leia
11 R5D4

General Mills ROTJ

30 Cloud Car Pilot
6 Imperial Tie Fighter Pilot


Palitoy ESB

500 Bossk
264 Imperial Tie Fighter Pilot
66 Chewbacca

Palitoy ROTJ

1234 C3PO Removable Limbs
1126 Imperial Hoth Trooper
885 Luke Skywalker
482 Boba Fett
467 Lobot
417 Death Star Droid
301 21B
143 Chewbacca
132 Luke Bespin
105 Luke Hoth
86 Lando Skiff Guard
81 Logray
60 Squid Head
47 Han Solo
39 AT-AT Driver
31 Gamorrean Guard
30 Leia Boussh
27 AT-AT Commander
12 Yoda
8 Cloud Car Pilot

Jason,

50/50 for rebel commander and bsg white for Clipper and GM. Fair enough as far we don't have any further information.

I would do the same for ESB Bossk, 50/50 Palitoy and GM. Toni has the GM Bossk since long.

I did not know about the non-existence of ROTJ Tie Fighter Pilot on 65 back Palitoy.
So keep this as GM. There were only 6 on the list and this is probably the reason why they were
not listed on Toni's web-site. He could have easily sold this low number to people
he offered them directly (not to me )

When you post the update I think this can then also go to the summary thread.

Wolfgang

So it looks like clipper/german for rebel commander and bsg white are a mixture of the two? I'll split them 50/50 for now?

Is the same true for ESB Chewbacca? I think maybe we should assume a 50/50 split between Palitoy and German?

Also, are there any Bossk German?

There are no known ROTJ Tie Fighter Pilot on 65 back for Palitoy, which made me think they must be German? Unless some of the ROTJ are trilogo? (dont really want to go there!)

Awaiting your reply!

cheers Jason

 

[ace]

If this was on RS...some of us would have already been banned for off topic comments :lol: :lol: :lol: ......Quite a shame on us Americans as the only forum with freedom of speech is a UK forum :lol: :lol: :lol:

did i say i bought my wife a tiger costume from Monty Python :-D

am i banned now :-D

jason

 

[mr_palitoy]

If this was on RS...some of us would have already been banned for off topic comments :lol: :lol: :lol: ......Quite a shame on us Americans as the only forum with freedom of speech is a UK forum :lol: :lol: :lol:

did i say i bought my wife a tiger costume from Monty Python :-D

am i banned now :-D

jason

No, but you are a very naughty boy.



Jason

 

[Richard_H]

You already are banned. He's referring to RS where Todd has been banned at least twice.

 

[tiefighterboy]

You already are banned. He's referring to RS where Todd has been banned at least twice.

More like six times...........but my puppet is still alive. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I think we may be off topic now. :wink:

 

[Grant_C]

Ok,

I have had a conversation with a family friend who is a high court judge.

His advice is that the police may not take this seriously as it is fraud based on action figures. However, the police would take it seriously if the allegation was referenced by a number of collectors and dealers at the same time.

If all the evidence was correlated into an easy to understand document with all the information and then referred by a group of individuals the case could be taken up.

I know that some of you on SWFUK, TIG and RS have a lot invested in these cards and the case could have more impact from yourselves. Or in fact the grading companies.

Plus the case would have to take into account that these MOCs, if fake where sold internationally which also brings in other perspectives.

It would also be a good idea that if this option was to go ahead- then details of what's happening and by whom should stay off the threads.

Please understand I'm not trying to instigate any thing here. I just wanted that information out there.

 

[Richard_H]

Good Grant. That pretty much confirms what has already been theorised.

 

[ace]

If this was on RS...some of us would have already been banned for off topic comments :lol: :lol: :lol: ......Quite a shame on us Americans as the only forum with freedom of speech is a UK forum :lol: :lol: :lol:

did i say i bought my wife a tiger costume from Monty Python :-D

am i banned now :-D

jason

No, but you are a very naughty boy.



Jason

jason i have to go there mate :-D

"no i not the messiah i am a very naughty boy"

sorry so had to go there :-D :-D :-D

j

 

[ace]

Ok,

I have had a conversation with a family friend who is a high court judge.

His advice is that the police may not take this seriously as it is fraud based on action figures. However, the police would take it seriously if the allegation was referenced by a number of collectors and dealers at the same time.

If all the evidence was correlated into an easy to understand document with all the information and then referred by a group of individuals the case could be taken up.

I know that some of you on SWFUK, TIG and RS have a lot invested in these cards and the case could have more impact from yourselves. Or in fact the grading companies.

Plus the case would have to take into account that these MOCs, if fake where sold internationally which also brings in other perspectives.

It would also be a good idea that if this option was to go ahead- then details of what's happening and by whom should stay off the threads.

Please understand I'm not trying to instigate any thing here. I just wanted that information out there.

i have offer this before but will repeat again.

i have the list of cards and figures that i will keep safe

i have the early carded figures that was bought from Toni , ( which i will also point out that the hammer head has a very odd bubble maybe from the box of bubbles that Arthur felt could not be used ?

i am happy to give a written statement of what i witnessed , Mark Woollard i think is also happy to also give a statement about what he remembers from that time.

i can provide a list of names of traders from back then that should also corroborate these facts some do not go on the net and others do not want to get involved in drama on the net but would stand up and say soothing if it went further

i would also allow my figures to be opened for the court and fingerprinted testing, i have been asked this via a privet email and i have agreed to help in this way

i am also happy to help in anyway to get this matter closed and to stop more collectors getting cough out.

j

 

[bobbybobs]

I've been lurking on this site for about a year (I check it out at least 10 times a day), posted only a few times and bought some MOCs off a few people. Was always meaning to properly intro myself but I was worried that I'd struggle to properly commit to two forums.

I have noticed that there seems to be a pretty strong anti-RS sentiment here and I always wondered why. I don't hear the vice versa on RS. There definitely are a few dramas between members over there but personally I've made some collecting mates and a lot of the guys, even the very experienced ones, there have gone out of their way to help me. I just try to ignore the f*ckwits. You get them everywhere. I can't though comment on all of your situations, everyone experiences things differently and we are all treated differently unfortunately.

I do enjoy reading the banter here though and you blokes all seem to really respect each other (well mostly!) and have a lot of fun. I hope this drama can bring all the forums closer and the past can be left behind. Jesus I sound like a Mills and Boon novel.

Christian

 

[Richard_H]

Hi Christian,

Welcome to SWFUK. It's really been covered many times and this thread isn't for it. If we want to move on it's time to forget the past and look ahead.
By all means pm if you want specifics.

 

[bobbybobs]

Hi Christian,

Welcome to SWFUK. It's really been covered many times and this thread isn't for it. If we want to move on it's time to forget the past and look ahead.
By all means pm if you want specifics.

Okay no need for specifics, point taken.

Thanks mate

 

[Lafos]

Shots of TT´s warehouse have popped up ... :mrgreen:

 

[Richard_H]

So those are the fakes!

 

[Caswellbot]

Amazing pic Lafos! Wow. 8)

 

[ace]

no that cannot be Toni's warehouse those are all mounted on cards instead of being in a few boxes in the kitchen next to the ironing board :-D

 

[jimbody1]

no that cannot be Toni's warehouse those are all mounted on cards instead of being in a few boxes in the kitchen next to the ironing board :-D

ooooh bitchy!

on a more serious note though where do the collecting community go now, is it up to a few to take some sort of legal action or is this just going to fall by the wayside and eventually be forgotten about?

 

[gonk_from_rs]

on a more serious note though where do the collecting community go now, is it up to a few to take some sort of legal action or is this just going to fall by the wayside and eventually be forgotten about?

At a minimum, it seems worthwhile to me to try to come up with a way to identify suspect ones, for future reference. I have been trying to see if anyone out there (other than Kevin_Lentz) has a 65-back palitoy hoth trooper that they know is legit. If we can find enough of those, we can determine if the little black smudge to the right of the rotj logo on those cards can be used to identify the batch of cardbacks used to make at least some of these.

Anyone else have a 65-back palitoy hoth trooper that they confirm is legit (because they have had it since the 80s, or some other good reason)? It doesn't need to have the bubble still attached.

 

[x-pack]

Ok,

I have had a conversation with a family friend who is a high court judge.

His advice is that the police may not take this seriously as it is fraud based on action figures. However, the police would take it seriously if the allegation was referenced by a number of collectors and dealers at the same time.

If all the evidence was correlated into an easy to understand document with all the information and then referred by a group of individuals the case could be taken up.

I know that some of you on SWFUK, TIG and RS have a lot invested in these cards and the case could have more impact from yourselves. Or in fact the grading companies.

Plus the case would have to take into account that these MOCs, if fake where sold internationally which also brings in other perspectives.

It would also be a good idea that if this option was to go ahead- then details of what's happening and by whom should stay off the threads.

Please understand I'm not trying to instigate any thing here. I just wanted that information out there.

I've had that in mind from the beginning. You go to the police without a VERY detailed and easy to understand version of events and this will go right to bottom of the pile. It needs a panel of experts who are willing to state their case otherwise you will find the police or Trading Standards looking at you very blankly.

It all seems to have been said on here. Needs slotting together now.

Unbelievable thread. Packed in trying to keep up days ago :|