Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

[mr_palitoy]

Has Toni got photos of the Palitoy cases the figures he states hq bought from Arthur were in.

Seems without a good response no one will be buying these German Esb figures again.

JohnPaul from TIG posted on my facebook saying Toni should post a picture of all his unused MOC stock.
If he could post a picture of thousands of MOCs that would dispel the rumour that they were made to order.

I'd go one better, if you have nothing to hide, invite some collectors round for an inspection, UN style.



Jason

That's the problem though isn't it. Toni isn't saying anything so getting him to post a picture or invite people round is farther away than the moon at this point.

I'm actually truly stunned how calm everyone seems to be. I've seen people threatening to rip each others faces off and turn up at peoples houses and beat the dirt out of each other for alot less in some of the watch out threads. Yet this guy has taken tens of thousands of pounds and so many people seem to be saying "well, we'll never know" ... "we just won't buy them any more" etc.

I get that we don't know either way but the way he's saying **** all is making him look like a **** and much worse than some of those others. The money people have spent and yet he's not even had the decency to make a simple statement like "Yes, I bought these as a factory sealed job lot 10 years ago". I've been the first to say this might not be something he's done himself, that he might have bought them carded up from someone else, but he really needs to put that information out in the open.

To me, some kind of positive affirmation of what he's selling is the very least he could do and should do. Silence can only bring him problems. I've mailed him asking about the authenticity of the cards I've bought. I'll post the response I don't get ...

More silence from him and the next stop is trading standards and citizens advice.

More silence and it's the tax man. I'm very sure sure he won't be wanting to see those guys coming round to pay him a visit. Those guys don't give up and thinking about them crawling all over his affairs for the last 6 years will be well worth the few hundred quid I've spent with him.

Happy Christmas :lol:

I don't think screaming at Toni over email will get us anywhere, I've been nothing but polite in the stuff I've sent him.



Jason

 

[**Delboy75**]

So are there any non Toni GM's that have these odd holes/dimples around the bubble like spoons posted.

I sold all my GM's, but have CU pics on my pc and a lot of them have these marks.

 

[jedisearcher]

"I don't think screaming at Toni over email will get us anywhere, I've been nothing but polite in the stuff I've sent him."


I don't think asking him whether they are vintage factory sealed MOC's is screaming.

But in response to your post, exactly what has politeness got us? Nothing.

 

[mr_palitoy]

I have a new tactic...

Jason

 

[theslider]

@ Jason can't go wrong with Shaun of the Dead

@ Jason (J) if you are going to that event take lots of pictures and get them up here¬

 

[escapist]

Anyone care to name the 10 most common figures found on Toni's MOCs?

From ebay Feedback between 2007 and 2013 (not including Kenner cards):

58 x Palitoy ROTJ Hoth Stormtrooper 65bk
53 x Palitoy ROTJ C3PO (inc 1 AFA graded)
17 x Palitoy ROTJ Walrusman 45bk (+ 1 Clipper ESB)
15 x Palitoy ROTJ Luke Bespin 65bk
13 x Palitoy ROTJ Stormtrooper 65bk
11 x General Mills German ESB Han Solo
10 x Palitoy ROTJ Gamorrean Guard 65bk
9 x Palitoy ROTJ Logray 65bk
8 x Palitoy ROTJ Boba Fett 45bk
7 x Palitoy ROTJ Lobot 45bk

and also of note:

59 x Meccano Jawas (inc 2 AFA graded)

_

And he's currently selling two bizarre MOCs at the moment, with Trilogo bubbles:

RARE PALITOY ROTJ TRILOGO HYBRID GAMMOREAN GUARD
HARD TO FIND HYBRID IN GOOD CONDITION.CARD IS CREASES FREE WITH A FEW BLEMISHES AS IN PHOTOS..THE LARGE OVERSIZE TRILOGO STYLE BUBBLE HAS SOME CORNER DINGS,NO CRACKS AND OVERALL STILL RETAINS ITS SHAPE.

RARE PALITOY ROTJ TRILOGO HYBRID WALRUSMAN FACTORY ERROR
HARD TO FIND HYBRID IN EXCELLENT CONDITION.CARD IS CREASE FREE AND VERY CLEAN AS IN PHOTOS..THE TRILOGO STYLE BUBBLE IS IN EXCELLENT CONDITION AND HAS A FACTORY DEFECT -ONLY SEALED ON 3 SIDES WITH THE BOTTOM EDGE OF THE BUBBLE MISSING..


Are these 'hybrids' known to exist elsewhere?

 

[tiefighterboy]

INTERMISSION

Ok................carry on now. 8)

 

[Joe]

The Hybrid designation is a mistake in his listing or he is misinformed, they are just regular ROTJ Palitoy figures and can both be found with Trilogo bubbles. The only "Hybrid" Palitoy figures that exist are the 6 Hybrid Trilogos.

 

[olisuds]

Anyone care to name the 10 most common figures found on Toni's MOCs?

From ebay Feedback between 2007 and 2013 (not including Kenner cards):

58 x Palitoy ROTJ Hoth Stormtrooper 65bk
53 x Palitoy ROTJ C3PO (inc 1 AFA graded)
17 x Palitoy ROTJ Walrusman 45bk (+ 1 Clipper ESB)
15 x Palitoy ROTJ Luke Bespin 65bk
13 x Palitoy ROTJ Stormtrooper 65bk
11 x General Mills German ESB Han Solo
10 x Palitoy ROTJ Gamorrean Guard 65bk
9 x Palitoy ROTJ Logray 65bk
8 x Palitoy ROTJ Boba Fett 45bk
7 x Palitoy ROTJ Lobot 45bk

Comparison of his 10 most abundant carded figures against the 10 most recent loose figures he has purchased (last 16 days):

Carded:

Hoth Stormtrooper x
C3PO x
Walrusman
Luke Bespin
Stormtrooper x
Han Solo
Gamorrean Guard
Logray x
Boba Fett
Lobot x

Loose:

Hoth Stormtrooper x
2-1B
FX-7
Luke Farmboy Brown hair
Stormtrooper x
Logray x
Bossk
Rebel Commander
Lobot x
C3PO x

 

[olisuds]

So he's basically buying up all the loose figures that are commonly found on Palitoy cards in large quantities.

My mind is made up on this!

 

[Joe]

Anyone care to name the 10 most common figures found on Toni's MOCs?

From ebay Feedback between 2007 and 2013 (not including Kenner cards):

58 x Palitoy ROTJ Hoth Stormtrooper 65bk
53 x Palitoy ROTJ C3PO (inc 1 AFA graded)
17 x Palitoy ROTJ Walrusman 45bk (+ 1 Clipper ESB)
15 x Palitoy ROTJ Luke Bespin 65bk
13 x Palitoy ROTJ Stormtrooper 65bk
11 x General Mills German ESB Han Solo
10 x Palitoy ROTJ Gamorrean Guard 65bk
9 x Palitoy ROTJ Logray 65bk
8 x Palitoy ROTJ Boba Fett 45bk
7 x Palitoy ROTJ Lobot 45bk

Comparison of his 10 most abundant carded figures against the 10 most recent loose figures he has purchased (last 16 days):

Carded:

Hoth Stormtrooper x
C3PO x
Walrusman
Luke Bespin
Stormtrooper x
Han Solo
Gamorrean Guard
Logray x
Boba Fett
Lobot x

Loose:

Hoth Stormtrooper x
2-1B
FX-7
Luke Farmboy Brown hair
Stormtrooper x
Logray x
Bossk
Rebel Commander
Lobot x
C3PO x

Good comparison Oli, that's exactly why the second ebay account was so worrying. It's worth noting though that the data being used is pulled from Ebay sales only, we all know Toni sells a lot of stock directly through his site or through email so it's entirely possible he has sold carded 2-1B's, Luke's, FX-7's etc

I am still 100% on the fence but I doubt anyone here thinks there is a perfectly logical explanation as to why he is buying mint loose versions of the very figures he sells mint on card..

 

[spoons]

Has Toni got photos of the Palitoy cases the figures he states hq bought from Arthur were in.

Seems without a good response no one will be buying these German Esb figures again.

Seems like some ******* on TIG is willing to take a chance on them..... :lol:

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t6570-wtb-any-and-all-palitoy-esb-rotj-and-german-45bksworried-about-them-being-realdump-them-to-me

What is he paying for a GM Stormtrooper?

 

[mr_palitoy]

I have 2 carded 2-1bs from Tony in that time period via website/email.

cheers Jason

 

[olisuds]

Good comparison Oli, that's exactly why the second ebay account was so worrying. It's worth noting though that the data being used is pulled from Ebay sales only, we all know Toni sells a lot of stock directly through his site or through email so it's entirely possible he has sold carded 2-1B's, Luke's, FX-7's etc

I am still 100% on the fence but I doubt anyone here thinks there is a perfectly logical explanation as to why he is buying mint loose versions of the very figures he sells mint on card..

2-1B, Luke Farmboy (brown hair) and Bossk are also pretty common Palitoy figures!!

 

[spoons]

So are there any non Toni GM's that have these odd holes/dimples around the bubble like spoons posted.

I sold all my GM's, but have CU pics on my pc and a lot of them have these marks.

I'd hazard a guess that any narrow heat sealed bubbles with dimples are a result of 'home' sealing.

Hope I'm wrong - happy to sell Joe Y my Bossk too (for the right price )

 

[Joseph_Y]

So are there any non Toni GM's that have these odd holes/dimples around the bubble like spoons posted.

I sold all my GM's, but have CU pics on my pc and a lot of them have these marks.

I'd hazard a guess that any narrow heat sealed bubbles with dimples are a result of 'home' sealing.

Hope I'm wrong - happy to sell Joe Y my Bossk too (for the right price )

Email me pics and we'll see what we can do...my email is : [email protected]

Cheers
J

 

[theslider]

What designates a Palitoy trilogo hybrid? I thought it was a Palitoy card back with a trilogo bubble on it.

 

[itfciain]

What designates a Palitoy trilogo hybrid? I thought it was a Palitoy card back with a trilogo bubble on it.

The Hybrids are ROTJ fronts and Trilogo backs - there are only six of them - Greedo, Snaggletooth. Hammerhead, CCP and both Bespin Guards. There are plenty of other examples of Trilogo bubbles found on ROTJ cards - but these are not Hybrids

 

[Grant_C]

I find that open discourse and deregulation of forum rules allows a self policed SWFUK to be a an atmosphere where fellow collectors can share their passion through respect and unity.


Just saying.

 

[Joseph_Y]

I find that open discourse and deregulation of forum rules allows a self policed SWFUK to be a an atmosphere where fellow collectors can share their passion through respect and unity.


Just saying.

.....And even when the fellow collectors don't respect each other, SWFUK allows that to run its course as well. Which can be also be a fun thing.
:lol:
J

 

[mr_palitoy]

Group hug?



Jason

 

[wbobafett]

I don't know who to believe but I've just taken a second look at my UK and German 45 backs, and the AFA German Stormtrooper has me worried.

Does anyone have an obviously shop bought double stemmed card, with a series of pin sized holes around the bubble. Should be two on the top, two on the left hand side and one on the bottom.

...

I will ask again....I have found more:

All three bubbles are different! We have two different single stem and one more double stem on Stormtrooper!



Does any one else have cards with that holes????

 

[Caswellbot]

Good work oli. Very fishy activity indeed. With regards to joe y's offer to buy out everyones cards, that looks pretty foolhardy from where I'm sitting right now!

 

[batman]

I did a simple experiment to see if i could seal part of a blister to a german cardback using materials that were available in the early 90's and this is the result

I've discussed the details of the experiment and how to use it to seal full blisters with Joe_o and i think it's safe to say for now myth plausible .

 

[spoons]

So are there any non Toni GM's that have these odd holes/dimples around the bubble like spoons posted.

I sold all my GM's, but have CU pics on my pc and a lot of them have these marks.

I'd hazard a guess that any narrow heat sealed bubbles with dimples are a result of 'home' sealing.

Hope I'm wrong - happy to sell Joe Y my Bossk too (for the right price )

Email me pics and we'll see what we can do...my email is : [email protected]

Cheers
J

Wolffs posted a picture of the Stormtrooper below, and the Bossk is a few pages back

 

[x-pack]

I have a new tactic...

Jason

:lol:

Is this where everyone's off tonight?

 

[theslider]

What designates a Palitoy trilogo hybrid? I thought it was a Palitoy card back with a trilogo bubble on it.

The Hybrids are ROTJ fronts and Trilogo backs - there are only six of them - Greedo, Snaggletooth. Hammerhead, CCP and both Bespin Guards. There are plenty of other examples of Trilogo bubbles found on ROTJ cards - but these are not Hybrids

Ahh, makes sense now!

 

[Joe]

I did a simple experiment to see if i could seal part of a blister to a german cardback using materials that were available in the early 90's and this is the result

I've discussed the details of the experiment and how to use it to seal full blisters with Joe_o and i think it's safe to say for now myth plausible .

Glad you posted this Batman and yes I do believe that your test was conclusive proof that you can seal bubbles to cards with minimal effort.

If it's not clear to those looking a the pictures, the side of that original bubble was sealed by Batman to the blue area behind the figure and then the rest of the bubble was cut away so you can see how just well the plastic had attached to the card.

In my opinion if you had original bubbles and cards, sealing them together would be pretty easy. I can assure you guys that Batman's test was not carried out using thousands of pounds worth of tooling and machinery either..

 

[spoons]

Anyone here whitegloves22 on eBay?

There's a Palitoy 45 fire sale going on - a sign of things to come.

 

[Joe]

Anyone here whitegloves22 on eBay?

There's a Palitoy 45 fire sale going on - a sign of things to come.

Haha, that made me laugh but I don't think it's related Andy. That seller has been trying to move his collection for months now, before any of this came to light.