Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

[Grant_C]

Looks like he he had a few of the trilogo Knee Fetts for sale.

I paid £250 for this in November 1996

 

[lee gray]

Very interesting comments from James, I think it's getting more difficult to ignore that these cards may not be factory sealed.

The focus has so far been on the German cards as they are easiest to spot, but if the stockpile of cardbacks included Pal ESB and ROTJ cardbacks there will be no way of working out what is legit or not.

Final frontier toys emailed their Xmas sales through today. What's the true price of these admittedly overpriced AFA German and Pal cards?

http://www.finalfrontiertoys.com/starwars.html?cat=54

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I'd not seen those Fetts close up before Lee - what card back are they as that is a big bubble. Presumably late ones not 45s?

Exactly the same cardback as the H bubble cardbacks, first i use to get h bubbles from toni then later on i would get them in big bubbles.

 

[spoons]

Very interesting comments from James, I think it's getting more difficult to ignore that these cards may not be factory sealed.

The focus has so far been on the German cards as they are easiest to spot, but if the stockpile of cardbacks included Pal ESB and ROTJ cardbacks there will be no way of working out what is legit or not.

Final frontier toys emailed their Xmas sales through today. What's the true price of these admittedly overpriced AFA German and Pal cards?

http://www.finalfrontiertoys.com/starwars.html?cat=54

Edit

I'd not seen those Fetts close up before Lee - what card back are they as that is a big bubble. Presumably late ones not 45s?

Exactly the same cardback as the H bubble cardbacks, first i use to get h bubbles from toni then later on i would get them in big bubbles.

When the h bubbles ran out.....

 

[lee gray]

Would be great if the prices dropped on them now though as could do with a cheap minty fett

 

[poncho]

what a thread! :shock:

 

[Caswellbot]

Looks like he he had a few of the trilogo Knee Fetts for sale.

I paid £250 for this in November 1996

In the second image there Grant, what is that in between the bubble stems? Is that a smudge or a flash reflection?

 

[Grant_C]

I'll take other pictures tonight. I might take photos of all my toytoni figures from November 1996.

 

[wbobafett]

Still trying to get a grip over the last 10 pages, what a mess. Until then, does anyone have a pic of a worn (preferably with a price sticker) Palitoy Logray moc or cardback?

And a carded German 2-1B? Please email me at: rendahl[AT]echobase.nu


I couldnt find any posts about the unused Palitoy cardbacks, if there was some about these please point me in the right direction. The reason is I have always wondered if BillyBoy lied about having the opportunity to buy boxes and boxes of unused cardbacks, and if he wasn't lying, where in the world have they all went???

I know most variant collectors wont agree with me, but I'm sure most figure COO's could have been made anywhere. Palitoys steel mold broke, they got one from Spain they werent using. Or Palitoy: "We need 10.000 Boba Fett's", and France had an overstock of Fett's. I doubt Meccano France would have responded to Palitoy that "Hey, we cant ship you the Meccano COO Fett's, that is our marking and would confuse future collectors. This kind of wheeling and dealing between the GM companies seem very likely imo. Ok, a bit of an exhageration, but you get the idea. All I'm saying is that I think many things would be possible when it comes to figures true origins.

Mattias

Hey Matthias,

I totally agree with you!

I am only talking about really rare stuff. In example of the PBP Luke Farmboy there is not even a hand full known loose or MOC. See....I am not trying to throw in comon stuff that was all mixed up for sure. I am only talking about really hard to come by stuff: The Bossk, the Luke Framboy and the Mec Fett is another story and also is off topic here IMO.

And I also said in every post: I doubt these were availible in ESB time. I just think the solution is that later on all overstock was collected in one place and was assembled. Thats pretty much what you have said and it would sum up. I have never said I am sure these were assembled by someone later on, I only said these are probably not made in the ESB area. So agreed: Many things are possible!

And: If they were assembled later then ESB (i.e. Trilogo area) in the factories it would explain why they are in good condition etc....(and the english text would also sum up with that theory....first sorted out....later used for the rest pile of the figures)


PS: I think the wind has changed anyway....now getting to the bottom of Palitoy ROTJ Fetts :shock:

PPS: I find this thread very educational btw. Mike_Skywalker also brought in an interesting point, nobody seemed to have noticed before: Different cradbacks for single and double stem. But the Dnegar pics posted later on show that both is possible....anyway....I havent learned that much in ages about German cardbacks

 

[x-wingMark]

I too bought one of these ROTJ Fetts at Cheshunt for £35 in the 90's

I did sell it a couple of years later on ebay for about the same price.

Cheers

Mark

 

[edd_jedi]

The points raised about the orange/brown snake Yoda, differing COOs and the different coloured cardbacks is exactly what I was getting at with my post about different bubble types. None of these things would have happened in a factory run! The cardstock/print, bubble, and almost certainly figure would have been identical for every run of however many thousands of figures were put together at one time. So unless Toni has complete cases of each different combo (which is possible guessing how many he has) then that's potentially fine, but if they are being pulled from the same shipping cases with different cardback printing/bubbles/figures etc, then there is 100% something fishy going on.

 

[plantman]

all this and the fact they had a company together makes it smell of rotten fish, an endless supply of palitoy and gm figures which would have needed massive storage space, and they are still being pumped out randomly with random figure combinations??

 

[Grant_C]

I can't see how storage would be a problem.

The figures are £100 each- surely that pays of a bit of space.

 

[lee gray]

Alot of these figures have a slight bit of lifting and white lines around the inner bubble which hapens over time due to bubble strain so its unlikely this would happen if they were freshly put on.....i dont really believe it myself as would have come out years ago.

 

[mr_palitoy]

Alot of these figures have a slight bit of lifting and white lines around the inner bubble which hapens over time due to bubble strain so its unlikely this would happen if they were freshly put on.....i dont really believe it myself as would have come out years ago.

It's alleged they were recarded in the 90s, so could show signs of lifting etc by now.



Jason

 

[mr_palitoy]

I can't see how storage would be a problem.

The figures are £100 each- surely that pays of a bit of space.

Space is an issue, JJ posted about the space needed to store carded figures. He has several thousand, so he should know.



Jason

 

[edd_jedi]

Yeah even at £100 a pop, if you're trickling them out at 3 or 4 a month over 20 years, that's a lot of money on storage.

 

[Vin3po]

What a ****ing Train wreck , my head hurts after reading all this , and they community is not any further forwards :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[**Delboy75**]

Guys.


I am waiting for some evidence. It is looking highly likely that the seals are fine and the MOCs are real.

??

 

[walkie]

Yeah even at £100 a pop, if you're trickling them out at 3 or 4 a month over 20 years, that's a lot of money on storage.

You could soon up the output by having the odd socket account here and there ie... ebay/forums

 

[Lafos]

Guys.


I am waiting for some evidence. It is looking highly likely that the seals are fine and the MOCs are real.

??

"highly likely" ?!

I was never that confused in all these years of collecting. I fear that this "case" will not be solved and a lot of collectors are left with doubts regarding collectibles they own or collectibles offered.