Premier League Discussion Thread Season 2014-15

[theforceuk]

Pete, I think on this occasion, we should agree to disagree.

You've made some good points, but.............

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

Oh Arsenal :lol: :lol:

 

[theforceuk]

Oh Arsenal :lol: :lol:

Problem is now they will be going for it at Old Trafford as probably their last chance of silverware.

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

Oh Arsenal :lol: :lol:

Problem is now they will be going for it at Old Trafford as probably their last chance of silverware.

On tonights evidence I dont think we will have much trouble. Monaco scored just 4 goals in their 6 Champions League group games! Arsenal managed to concede 3 in one game! :lol: :lol: Plus Arsenal have a wretched record at Old Trafford

 

[theforceuk]

Oh Arsenal :lol: :lol:

Problem is now they will be going for it at Old Trafford as probably their last chance of silverware.

On tonights evidence I dont think we will have much trouble. Monaco scored just 4 goals in their 6 Champions League group games! Arsenal managed to concede 3 in one game! :lol: :lol: Plus Arsenal have a wretched record at Old Trafford

I hope your right, their bad run at Old Trafford won't last forever though.

 

[weasel]

Arsenal won't play, or at least defend, that badly again this season.

That should probably be defend in inverted comas, it was that bad.

And the sooner football gets it's head out of it's ass and introduces video technology the better. Rugby, Cricket, tennis and Hockey have it and it works well. Hockey is dam sight faster than Football as well, so it's not as if the whole "slowing the game down BS" washes. It's just the dinosaurs who run the game refusing to move with the times. Maybe if whoever does all the video stuff for the cricket were to slip Sepp Blatter a few million for the exclusive rights......

 

[PGowdy]

"slowing the game down BS"

"It'll slow the game down": The chant of the inbred and the moron. Those who speak without any credible thought process taking place. Just some faint spark of a synapsis still glowing lightly from some neanderthal Daily Mail pundit they browsed the last time they read something not written in faeces.

 

[theforceuk]

The thing is, if video replays stopped a lot of cheating in the long run it's a good thing. I'm not a Rugby fan but my wife is and she has watched a lot of Rugby in the past, before video technology. I watch England in the 6 nations and have to say IMO it seams their using it a bit to much and sometimes the decision is still not conclusive after stopping for 3,4,5 minutes at a time. With Football goal line technology has come in about 15 years later than it should have and it's just a matter of time before it's used in other areas of the game. You can't compare Football to Cricket or Tennis where their is no reel time limit IMO regarding video technology. Another thought is when it does come in, is the clock going to stop like Rugby when a big decision comes up, or will we just have 10+ minutes injury time every match?

I'm not inbred and don't consider myself a moron, although some may disagree, but I certainly think you have to be carefull how you implement video technology to Football, as it isn't a stop start game unlike Tennis, Cricket and Rugby.

I mean goal line technology has come in and made that decision making faster than before.

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

Another thought is when it does come in, is the clock going to stop like Rugby when a big decision comes up, or will we just have 10+ minutes injury time every match?

Absolutely the clock should stop/ This will stop "Fergie Time" at he end of matches. The way the clock is stopped in rugby should have been in to implemented into football years ago.

 

[weasel]

The thing is, if video replays stopped a lot of cheating in the long run it's a good thing. I'm not a Rugby fan but my wife is and she has watched a lot of Rugby in the past, before video technology. I watch England in the 6 nations and have to say IMO it seams their using it a bit to much and sometimes the decision is still not conclusive after stopping for 3,4,5 minutes at a time. With Football goal line technology has come in about 15 years later than it should have and it's just a matter of time before it's used in other areas of the game. You can't compare Football to Cricket or Tennis where their is no reel time limit IMO regarding video technology. Another thought is when it does come in, is the clock going to stop like Rugby when a big decision comes up, or will we just have 10+ minutes injury time every match?

As Liam said, the stadium clock stopping when play does should have come in years ago. IMO it should be linked to the ref/4th officials watch so that way it stops automatically.

The reason I stuck hockey in was twofold, one I play it and have watched a fair bit of the international stuff where they have video referrals etc, and two it is a dam sight faster than football. It's about the only sport I know where you can be on the attack in the other teams D (ie "box" in football) and literally two seconds later the ball is in your net.
The way they work it teams get one, or sometimes two, referrals per game. Only the captain can call for it, bar in certain circumstances, and if you use it and you're right, you keep it. If you're wrong, you lose it. You get 10-15 seconds after the incident, normally while play continues, to call for it. After that it's too late.

I do think in the case of football for the first season or two the game will be slowed down a lot. For two reasons, one referees will be conscious of the 'trial by media' and will want to check everything and two players will be asking for it every five minutes. But once people get used to it and realise a blatant dive will result in a yellow card rather than a chance at a penalty etc, then it will soon speed up again.
I expect it to be like the change when the back pass was outlawed. For the first 6 months you saw an indirect free kick every other week. 2 years later and you barely saw one. When was the last time there was one awarded in the PL?

Another option would be to move the 4th official up to an office in the stadium somewhere and give him a set of screens so he can replay things instantly, like they do in cricket. That way as the game is going on he can be checking the dodgy penalty/tackle etc. If the ref misses it or gets it wrong he can get on the microphone and let him know. The refs are miked up to their linos so adding a fourth person would be no issue.
For offsides, surely someone somewhere can knock up a computer program that will instantly say if a guy is offside or not. Set it to flash on the 4th officials screen, or even better vibrate on the refs arm like happens ATM and hey presto. The only issue there I can see is the old "not active" BS, but again, surely there is a way round that?

I'm not inbred and don't consider myself a moron, although some may disagree

Biting my tongue on making a funny comment about the team you support. :wink: :lol:

The chant of the inbred and the moron. Those who speak without any credible thought process taking place. Just some faint spark of a synapsis still glowing lightly from some neanderthal Daily Mail pundit they browsed the last time they read something not written in faeces.

Ehh Pete, you do realise that's about 70% of the UK population, don't you? You know, the people we are letting elect our next leader in 3 months! Actually, I should probably include ALL politicians in that 70%

 

[PGowdy]

The chant of the inbred and the moron. Those who speak without any credible thought process taking place. Just some faint spark of a synapsis still glowing lightly from some neanderthal Daily Mail pundit they browsed the last time they read something not written in faeces.

Ehh Pete, you do realise that's about 70% of the UK population, don't you? You know, the people we are letting elect our next leader in 3 months! Actually, I should probably include ALL politicians in that 70%

Yes, i do. One thing that becomes very clear after, i don't know, 1 day alive, is that most people are pretty stupid.
I think anyone in a position of authority at the FA should have their IQ tested. Anyone who scores under 120 should be immediately removed. It would at least get rid of 80% of them. The we can go from there. :lol:

 

[theforceuk]

Biting my tongue on making a funny comment about the team you support. :wink: :lol:

What you trying to say. :shock: :lol:

I'm trying to disagree on certain points here, but finding it hard as I think we all agree technology in Football will improve the game for players and spectators alike. As long as the correct decision is made faster through technology. I've played a lot of Football and would find it annoying as a player waiting for decisions to be made all the time.

I'm off to double check I'm registered to vote. :?

 

[PGowdy]

I've played a lot of Football and would find it annoying as a player waiting for decisions to be made all the time.

Yeah, and this is the problem. People assume that it'll be like cricket where the game has to stop every 10 minutes for 2 minutes while they watch a monitor. Or like tennis where every other decision goes to a big screen and everyone claps along like morons. But football, like tennis before it, rugby before that and cricket will find it;s own way of using the technology in a way that suits it. Sparingly and for certain decisions in need of it not all. And players and manager ail not be able to demand review of anything. The refs say will still be final.

This is all so blindingly obvious to me i really struggle to see how others can't even comprehend the notion.

 

[weasel]

I don't even think it'll slow it down at all. Excluding the first few months were everyone is getting used to it.

In most games whenever a ref makes a big call the team who are disadvantaged by it invariably crowd round him questing the decision, his parentage and his right to life. Chelsea are about the worst at this. Will a 30 second stoppage while he checks with his mate who is working the technology be any worse than watching John Terry and his mates calling him a **** instead?


Ps, another thins I think Football could learn from hockey, swearing is a yellow card straight off, ditto contesting the refs decision. Swear AT the ref and it's a red.
Bring that into the PL and suddenly the swearing at the ref and contesting every decision stops. Especially when Wazza and JT pick up two red cards in their first two games of the season.

 

[edd_jedi]

I also don't agree that it will hold the game up, the TV watching public usually know what happened before the referee has made his decision. It could be an instant call to the referee over an earpiece.

 

[PGowdy]

Ps, another thins I think Football could learn from hockey, swearing is a yellow card straight off, ditto contesting the refs decision. Swear AT the ref and it's a red.
Bring that into the PL and suddenly the swearing at the ref and contesting every decision stops. Especially when Wazza and JT pick up two red cards in their first two games of the season.

We used to have this in my saturday league. You could get away with a little swearing if not aggressive but if you swore at the ref you'd be very lucky not to be sent off. I'm amazed that players are allowed to talk to the lines-man and referee in a way that would get you fired from a job, expelled from school or punched in the face in the pub. It really makes no sense to allow it.

 

[PGowdy]

I also don't agree that it will hold the game up, the TV watching public usually know what happened before the referee has made his decision. It could be an instant call to the referee over an earpiece.

Exactly. If done right it would make decisions not only much faster but almost always correct.
But, na thanks. :roll:

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

I've played a lot of Football and would find it annoying as a player waiting for decisions to be made all the time.

Or like tennis where every other decision goes to a big screen and everyone claps along like morons.

Oi! The introduction of Hawkeye to Tennis is the biggest success story of technology being added to sport. It works like a dream and adds a fascinating extra dimension which the crowd can really get in invovled in and a new form of mental mindgames between the players. Its not every other decision either. Each player is only given 3 reviews per set with one extra when the set goes to a tiebreak.

 

[PGowdy]

I've played a lot of Football and would find it annoying as a player waiting for decisions to be made all the time.

Or like tennis where every other decision goes to a big screen and everyone claps along like morons.

Oi! The introduction of Hawkeye to Tennis is the biggest success story of technology being added to sport. It works like a dream and adds a fascinating extra dimension which the crowd can really get in invovled in and a new form of mental mindgames between the players. Its not every other decision either. Each player is only given 3 reviews per set with one extra when the set goes to a tiebreak.

Yep. That wasn't my point. Hawkeye is great. For tennis. The Cricket thingy is great- of cricket. I was just saying people complain that we'll use those exact same methods to deal with football decisions. We, of course, won't. We'll come up with a way that suits football best.

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

Or like tennis where every other decision goes to a big screen and everyone claps along like morons.



Yep. That wasn't my point. Hawkeye is great. For tennis. The Cricket thingy is great- of cricket. I was just saying people complain that we'll use those exact same methods to deal with football decisions. We, of course, won't. We'll come up with a way that suits football best.[/quote]

Yes. The question is will the biggest dinosaur of them all - Mr Sepp Blatter?