Phew, Spurs making a meal of things as usual. Feel sorry for West Ham losing the full three points at the end but can't agree with the commentators that West Ham dominated the game, 65% possession and 27 shots vs 12? I reckon any WH fan would have taken a draw before the game. Arsenal's talent for every result going their way continues, no doubt a Liverpool Southampton draw is on the cards later too :lol:
Premier League Discussion Thread Season 2014-15
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Felt we were totally comfortable until the subs and consequent change of formation. Tactics were working a treat until then. We didn't dominate, but we didn't need to. Definite pen for me- Adrian was unlucky though- good save. Spurs and Man U are very good at scoring late on- very frustrating for me, but a good quality for a team to have!
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Liverpool ahead at Southampton. Brilliant strike from Courtinho. Means its really tight for the CL on the live table. Second half yet tho
Only saw the second half of the Spurs game but for me Kane dived. There was contact, but **** me that wasn't enough to knock over a 97year old granny who has had 2 Brandys too many, never mind a full grown man.
Can't comment in whether sours deserved it as I didn't see enough of the game.
Only saw Second half of Pool game as well, but it looked fairly even, albeit two teams who were both struggling to find the killer final pass.
The race for the CL spots is definitely heating up. Fingers crossed it's not decided by more **** refereeing.
Can't comment in whether sours deserved it as I didn't see enough of the game.
Only saw Second half of Pool game as well, but it looked fairly even, albeit two teams who were both struggling to find the killer final pass.
The race for the CL spots is definitely heating up. Fingers crossed it's not decided by more **** refereeing.
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weasel said:
Yeah to be honest I'm starting to brick it as a MANCHESTER Utd supporter, for a top 4 finish really thought we would improve, but not happening.
I'm getting fed up with penalty's in the game it's starting to really do my head in. Players going down far to easy when in the box and coning the ref. The thing for me is half the time the player who goes down is not evan in a good position and is just making something out of nothing. I guess it's nothing new though.
I agree, pisses me off when you see a penalty given for a tackle while the player was running the ball to the corner flag! Perhaps it would be better if the ref used his discretion to award either a penalty for clear goal-scoring opportunities, or an indirect free kick inside the box if not?
edd_jedi said:
Could not disagree more.
Firstly; But why is a defender making a challenge if the player running towards to corner flag?? Also, a player can be heading towards the corner flag and then spin round and pass the ball to a player who will score. We see this every week so a referee could never say that a goal could not have come from a situation if the player is in the box.
Secondly; if this rule came in, as soon as a player was not in front of goal you could hack him down and get 10 men behind the ball to block to resulting free-kick. This would be a useful tactic in the latter stages of the game when 1-0 up against a team who are bagging down the door trying to score. It's just wrong on so many levels.
People talk of "the problem" with players getting awarded penalties for diving but it doesn't actually happen that often. In fact what happens much more frequently is players who are fowled in the box or defenders handling the ball and referees not giving penalties. We literally see that every other game. So here are actually way less penalties than there should be as referees are so reluctant to give them.
Actually I agree with you Pete and my suggestion is based more on the fact that, as you say, 50%+ of penalty decisions are wild guesses because the referee has to make an instant decision based on something he may not have seen. So the discretion to award something other than a penalty for a foul in the box may make things a bit fairer. I'd be happy with the current rules if every decision was right.
That's the problem with all the super slow motion and high definition TV we're all used to, we know more than the ref does these days so there are literally dozens of refereeing mistakes every single weekend, which is unacceptable. It's no longer part of the charm, it's an embarrassment.
That's the problem with all the super slow motion and high definition TV we're all used to, we know more than the ref does these days so there are literally dozens of refereeing mistakes every single weekend, which is unacceptable. It's no longer part of the charm, it's an embarrassment.
edd_jedi said:
Agreed, but as always with football because it's run exclusively by morons and ignorant old arseholes we'll be the very very last sport to introduce technology to combat this obvious and like you say, embarrassing problem.
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Agreed, but as always with football because it's run exclusively by morons and ignorant old arseholes.
Agree with this, I mean just look at the 2022 World Cup. :roll:
All I'm saying with pens is, it's going towards a none contact sport at the moment. I'd introduce a straight red card for diving in the box, sort the cheats out. :x
Agree with this, I mean just look at the 2022 World Cup. :roll:
All I'm saying with pens is, it's going towards a none contact sport at the moment. I'd introduce a straight red card for diving in the box, sort the cheats out. :x
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Yeah agree, but their ment to be 100% sure about anything they give aren't they?
theforceuk said:
Whether they're meant to be or not is neither here nor there. We know for a fact that they are constantly wrong and one of the things they seem to be in the habit of getting wrong more than anything else is diving. They constantly book players for diving in the box when they didn't so suggesting they should now not only be incorrectly booking players for diving but now sending them off is beyond absurd.
Coming up with solutions based on the way things should be is incredibly unwise and foolish. One must only find solutions for the way things are and look to continue t be.
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Whether they're meant to be or not is neither here nor there. We know for a fact that they are constantly wrong and one of the things they seem to be in the habit of getting wrong more than anything else is diving. They constantly book players for diving in the box when they didn't so suggesting they should now not only be incorrectly booking players for diving but now sending them off is beyond absurd.
Coming up with solutions based on the way things should be is incredibly unwise and foolish. One must only find solutions for the way things are and look to continue t be.[/quote]
That's fine if it's your view, but referees have always made mistakes, more so in the past evan. Now it's just picked up on more because of TV coverage and pundit's talking about it after the match for half an hour instead of talking about tactics.
What's beyond obsurd is the game getting spoiled by players falling over like whimps every 5 minutes and then managers going on about how decisions whent against them after the match. It's boring, sending cheats off is common sense not obsurd. Players get wrongly sent off all the time, so your saying we should scrap red cards?
Coming up with solutions based on the way things should be is incredibly unwise and foolish. One must only find solutions for the way things are and look to continue t be.[/quote]
That's fine if it's your view, but referees have always made mistakes, more so in the past evan. Now it's just picked up on more because of TV coverage and pundit's talking about it after the match for half an hour instead of talking about tactics.
What's beyond obsurd is the game getting spoiled by players falling over like whimps every 5 minutes and then managers going on about how decisions whent against them after the match. It's boring, sending cheats off is common sense not obsurd. Players get wrongly sent off all the time, so your saying we should scrap red cards?
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I see Citeh are two down at Home to Barca who are schooling them. Already out the tie then
theforceuk said:
Nope, never said or insinuated anything of the sort.
What i said.. well, is written above. Instructing referees to send off players if they feel they have dived is going to be counter productive because they don't get it right enough. In fact, i'd say they get it wrong more than right. So it'd be like taking a police man who keep arresting innocent people and giving him a gun and saying "just shoot on site in future". Probably not going to get the right outcomes.
I am all for banning cheats but referees don't have the eye keen enough to carry out such punishment successfully. Not in terms of diving in the box. It's clear, and an unarguable case could be built based on any weekend's Premier League games, that this is one thing the referees are just incapable of getting right. It can only be done retrospectively. Just as with an off the ball elbow or head-butt, a panel can quickly review the evidence and decide- 'this player was definitely and obviously cheating', and then ban said player for however many games. This has precedent and it works. So until they give referees the option to use technology that is readily and instantly available for everyone else in the stand, they must do it this way.
One thing that also has to be addressed, as the thing that is the actual route of the problem that goes largely ignored, is that the referees themselves are 90% of the reason players dive. They themselves create and cultivated this habit/trend, whatever you want to call it. If a player is flowed in the box and stays on his feet the referees will not award a penalty. They actually come out and say - if the player had gone down he would have got a penalty. "So players comply; ok, then, we'll go down. If that's what it takes for you to do your job" and who can blame them?
Of course, this doesn't cover every single example of diving but it is by and large the route and cause of the whole problem.
