Premier League Discussion Thread Season 2014-15

[Cazza]

Kane again?! He's really looking the real deal!

LVG is getting embarrassing - Big Sam has really got under his skin! http://gfycat.com/CommonMagnificentEastrussiancoursinghounds
The press officer's face is a picture! The paper is even WHU watermarked- they must've chavved it from The Boleyn on Sunday :lol:

 

[edd_jedi]

I would love to punch the entire Spurs back four in the face right now. Please just don't bother turning up next week, I've seen people queuing up for their weekly giro with more motivation. Vertonghen literally just watched Balotelli's goal roll past him. I feel sorry for Harry Kane, all his hard work undone by four retards. Absolute wasters the lot of them.

 

[Richard_H]

I thought Vertonghen was a decent player 2 seasons ago. Don't know what has happened to him.

 

[SAVORY100]

I'm still really pissed off about that game the following morning... defence needs replacing, but my bigger gripe is that the midfield are so hell bent of trying to score, there is not one of them tracking back... the only one that is, is KANE!!!! C'mon lads, he can't do it all!!!

 

[edd_jedi]

On reflection it's not a terrible result (especially based on recent history against Liverpool) and out of the two games I would obviously have rather won the derby but it's the carelessness of the goals that bothers me. Lloris is an amazing 'keeper so can't really criticise his rare blunder too much, but the penalty Rose gave away was moronic and Vertonghen is 100% responsible for the last goal, no excuse for a defender letting the ball roll across the six yard box when it's within easy reach.

And as above, the fact that every single time the ball goes in our own half results in blind panic HAS to stop if we're ever going to be top four, attacking football is not an excuse for having four lazy defenders.

 

[PGowdy]

On reflection it's not a terrible result (especially based on recent history against Liverpool) and out of the two games I would obviously have rather won the derby but it's the carelessness of the goals that bothers me. Lloris is an amazing 'keeper so can't really criticise his rare blunder too much, but the penalty Rose gave away was moronic and Vertonghen is 100% responsible for the last goal, no excuse for a defender letting the ball roll across the six yard box when it's within easy reach.

And as above, the fact that every single time the ball goes in our own half results in blind panic HAS to stop if we're ever going to be top four, attacking football is not an excuse for having four lazy defenders.

Liverpool are fairly impotent up from so there's no excuse to concede 3 goals to them. All 3 were gifts and would not have been scored without some of the worst defending i've seen all season.
We were, in many respects, the better team last night, but for terrible defending. But this is nothing new. It wasn't a one-off. We invested nothing in defenders or strikers in the last 3 windows and are now paying the price. Harry Kane is good fortune not good management and without him we'd be nowhere near the top 6. We'll finish 5th or 6th again this year. Same as every year. It's what the owners seem content with so it's what will always be. Sad but undeniably true.

 

[weasel]

I missed the gam, and no one wants to show me any highlights over here. I can get the Liverpool chelsea carling cup game, or the Merseyside derby but nohing from the last few days. I did read that Ballotelli scored. Luckily i was sitting down at the time.

Good game, ignoring the result from a Spuds perspective.

Let's talk about facts. :roll: :lol:

Yeah, i groaned when Rafa went off on that rant. It probably cost us a dam giod tilt at the title that year. That team never recovered either, most were sold inside 18months. Alonso, Mascherano, Torres (good, Torres), Reina, Sammy, and with Gerrard in his pomp, that was some team!

 

[theforceuk]

I missed the gam, and no one wants to show me any highlights over here. I can get the Liverpool chelsea carling cup game, or the Merseyside derby but nohing from the last few days. I did read that Ballotelli scored. Luckily i was sitting down at the time.

Good game, ignoring the result from a Spuds perspective.

Let's talk about facts. :roll: :lol:

Yeah, i groaned when Rafa went off on that rant. It probably cost us a dam giod tilt at the title that year. That team never recovered either, most were sold inside 18months. Alonso, Mascherano, Torres (good, Torres), Reina, Sammy, and with Gerrard in his pomp, that was some team!

That was a good side when you look at it Torres to Chelsea was probably the best bit of business ever done by anyone! I always remember thinking losing Alonso was a massive blow for Liverpool. I still think if it had been anyone but Liverpool pushing Utd like that they would have won it. But because it was Liverpool their was an extra incentive for Utd. To think as well Liverpool won 4-1 at Old Trafford that season.

 

[weasel]

From memory in and around the time rafa did his facts thing Liverpool had a few **** results that came back to cost them the title. Though i think whatever points total Liverpool managed in coming second, would have been enough to win the title in about two thirds of the previous ten years. Which I suspect makes it even better from a Utd fans POV!

On the point of stupid managerial rants, ehhh what the **** is van gaal doing giving a reporter a ****ing multi page print out he knocked up in advance of being asked about being a long ball team?
Someone hit a sore point?
I missed that game but pretty much every report i have seen has said Utd went long ball down the middle once fellaini came on. All the Utd fans i've spoken to about it have admitted as much. Yet Van Gaal has a handout to prove it wasn't the case? WTF?

Is he feeling the pressure after spending 160/190 million (depending on your source) over the summer for no discernible improvement in style of play or results?
Initially he had valid excuses with injuries and players needing to learn his methods. Not any more though.
Name me one Utd player playing well. Outfield player. I'll give you De Gea, though how much credit does a manger get for a keeper playing well? It's not like tactics affect his roll in anyway. "Stop them scoring" is the same whether you play, 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 5-3-2 etc etc.
I'm struggling to think of one, Blind maybe.
Rooney, no. Di Maria, no. RVP, no. Falcao, hell no. Mata/Herrera, on the bench speaks for itself. Januzai has regressed at a rate of knots and Luke Shaw looks like he's eaten all the pies and gone back for seconds.

If Van Gaal was Moyes there would be mass calls for him to go. He's either very fortunate, or trading off his CV. Either way I suspect he knows it aint going to plan.

 

[PGowdy]

On the point of stupid managerial rants, ehhh what the **** is van gaal doing giving a reporter a ****ing multi page print out he knocked up in advance of being asked about being a long ball team?
Someone hit a sore point?
I missed that game but pretty much every report i have seen has said Utd went long ball down the middle once fellaini came on. All the Utd fans i've spoken to about it have admitted as much. Yet Van Gaal has a handout to prove it wasn't the case? WTF?

Sky Sports said today that Man Utd v Burnley will be a match up between the 2 teams in the premier league to play the most long balls this season. :lol:

 

[theforceuk]

The long and short of it is Utd aren't doing as well as they should and Van Gaal know's it. The pressure is getting to hime if Utd don't get in the CL next season Adidas can pull the plug on the £100 million kit deal and so can Chevrolet.

I've been a Utd supporter my whole life and I find the current criticism a bit unfair. We still have a good chance of finishing in the top 4 and a chance of a cup. This time last season we were were out of both cups sat 7th in the league and had Buyern Munich to look forward to in CL.

Ok Van Gaal has spent £150 million but he has also off loaded a lot of dead wood. Everyone forgets Moyes spent £75 million on two players that have struggled to make an impact and didn't have the balls to tell Nani he's pants.

Judge them at the end of the season or when they can't finish in the top 4. Just my opinion. :?

 

[PGowdy]

I've been a Utd supporter my whole life and I find the current criticism a bit unfair. We still have a good chance of finishing in the top 4 and a chance of a cup. This time last season we were were out of both cups sat 7th in the league and had Buyern Munich to look forward to in CL.

Ok Van Gaal has spent £150 million but he has also off loaded a lot of dead wood. Everyone forgets Moyes spent £75 million on two players that have struggled to make an impact and didn't have the balls to tell Nani he's pants.

When you spend £200million on players and are still not very good the criticism will always be fair. Surely you can see that. The league must be bought in this day and age and that will leave a bitter taste in the mouth of 99% of football so when a team falls on their face a little scrambling to buy a title spending all the millions they have to compile a team of ready made stars you can understand the average football fan taking some solace in that and having a bit of a laugh at their expense.

 

[theforceuk]

I've been a Utd supporter my whole life and I find the current criticism a bit unfair. We still have a good chance of finishing in the top 4 and a chance of a cup. This time last season we were were out of both cups sat 7th in the league and had Buyern Munich to look forward to in CL.

Ok Van Gaal has spent £150 million but he has also off loaded a lot of dead wood. Everyone forgets Moyes spent £75 million on two players that have struggled to make an impact and didn't have the balls to tell Nani he's pants.

When you spend £200million on players and are still not very good the criticism will always be fair. Surely you can see that. The league must be bought in this day and age and that will leave a bitter taste in the mouth of 99% of football so when a team falls on their face a little scrambling to buy a title spending all the millions they have to compile a team of ready made stars you can understand the average football fan taking some solace in that and having a bit of a laugh at their expense.

Doesn't matter how much money you spend a sqaud/team still needs time to gel and haven't most top sides spent £200million in the last couple seasons? Football supporters are to fickle these days but I guess they have a right to be. Utd win 5 games on the bounce and everyone is talking about a shot at the title. Then they loose a game and everyone is questioning a top 4 finish.

 

[edd_jedi]

I've said this before, I don't see how or why everyone expects their team to finish in the top four. There are twenty teams, 8 of which have a reasonable shot at finishing top four, but ultimately there are only four spots. One or two of those places are generally a gimme, the others fiercely battled over (Spurs have missed out on the last day of the season several times in recent years.) So I think it's unfair and unreasonable to expect any team to get a CL spot, especially in what most people agree is the most difficult league in the world where even the relegation zone teams can put up a good fight. I think Utd have done pretty well considering they lost the world's best manager.

 

[weasel]

Judge them at the end of the season or when they can't finish in the top 4. Just my opinion. :?

Even that doesn't hold the prestige it once did. I don't mean the CL as such more the fact that so many PL teams have been ****/gone through a "transition" (whatever the **** that means) that if Utd had their current points total but in last seasons PL they would be sixth. An indictment of every side in the league, bar the top two and the overachieving Saints. So even if Utd get a top four spot it will be in one of the weakest versions of the PL we have seen AND after spunking the guts of 200 million on players.

Doesn't matter how much money you spend a sqaud/team still needs time to gel

I give you, Real Madrid. They spunk stupid money on players every single year and last time I checked they were doing ok! In fact, i think they won something last year, European something....

Or if you want an example closer to home, Southampton. Pretty sure they lost a couple of players over the summer, and bought in a load more. Plus Rodriguez is still injured. They didn't need time to gel.

I think you have a point BUT, too many managers/supporters use that as an excuse for being ****, under performing, or under delivering. Utd are absolutely in that basket. And for the record, so are Liverpool and they have been for large chunks of the last 15-20 years.

 

[theforceuk]

Judge them at the end of the season or when they can't finish in the top 4. Just my opinion. :?

Even that doesn't hold the prestige it once did. I don't mean the CL as such more the fact that so many PL teams have been ****/gone through a "transition" (whatever the **** that means) that if Utd had their current points total but in last seasons PL they would be sixth. An indictment of every side in the league, bar the top two and the overachieving Saints. So even if Utd get a top four spot it will be in one of the weakest versions of the PL we have seen AND after spunking the guts of 200 million on players.

Doesn't matter how much money you spend a sqaud/team still needs time to gel

I give you, Real Madrid. They spunk stupid money on players every single year and last time I checked they were doing ok! In fact, i think they won something last year, European something....

Or if you want an example closer to home, Southampton. Pretty sure they lost a couple of players over the summer, and bought in a load more. Plus Rodriguez is still injured. They didn't need time to gel.


I think you have a point BUT, too many managers/supporters use that as an excuse for being ****, under performing, or under delivering. Utd are absolutely in that basket. And for the record, so are Liverpool and they have been for large chunks of the last 15-20 years.

I agree with what you and Pete have said but I also think Football fans just expect to much especially Utd supporters. They just expect Utd to turn up every week and win. Also if we don't get close to winning the league every season it's a disaster, evan though were in the most competitive league in the world.

Take Spurs as an example their in a Cup final and got a chance of top 4 but fans still not happy.

As for Real Madrid that was their first EC in 12 years and their 500million Euros in debt, Southampton are exceptional!

Also compareing this season's position to last season is unfaire, every season is different and you can only judge a team on the current season surely.

 

[weasel]

As for Real Madrid that was their first EC in 12 years and their 500million Euros in debt, Southampton are exceptional!

Also compareing this season's position to last season is unfaire, every season is different and you can only judge a team on the current season surely.

Real are ehh unique. And by 'unique' i mean one of the biggest bunch of cunts i've ever seen. Ignoring the players (Pepe, Ronaldo, Ramos) and the fact they employed Mourinho, a man with less class than a used condom, their constant tapping up of players that goes unpunished and the fact they spend tens of millions get up to their eye balls in debts and then conveniently "sell" their training ground to the local council for ridiculous millions, to then lease it back on a long term basis for peanuts, really grates. No other club in Europe would b allowed to do that. European rules governing state aid to domestic companies would prohibit it. But not for Real!

You kinda have a point on comparing seasons, but that's the only consistent measure we have to judge teams by, if we don't judge them by their performance relative to their peers over the years we're left with subjective personal opinions.

I do agree on some Utd fans thinking you have a devine right to win stuff. I suspect they are the millions of glory hunters who a club as successful as Utd have picked up over the last twenty years.

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

So Tim Sherwood appointed at Villa...

Keep Villa up and he has resurrected his mangerial career anything else and well he would struggle

 

[theforceuk]

So Tim Sherwood appointed at Villa...

Keep Villa up and he has resurrected his mangerial career anything else and well he would struggle

Agreed, he's a bottom feeder at the moment. :?

 

[edd_jedi]

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