Yes City have dipped a bit this season, but I don't think they did much wrong tonight, although the red card was stupid and I had a feeling he was going to get sent off after the first yellow due to a few clumsy challenges.
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City should have been down to 10 men much earlier. That Sterling foul on Alli was a very clear red, regardless of intent. It could have very easily broken his leg or ankle, yet once again VAR proves itself to be incompetently used. If that wasn't a clear example of a yellow card needing upgrading to a red, then I don't think I'll ever see one!
Snaketibe said:
I've only seen one crappy angle of the Sterling tackle on Twitter, but it looked a red all day to me. How exactly is it any different to the Aubamayang foul/red from a few weeks ago!?
From what I have heard/read it sounds like City should have had the game wrapped up in the first half and Spurs, got lucky. Take nothing away from them though, 3pts is 3pts and it makes Fa difference whether you "deserve" them or not. Football is about scoring goals. Spurs did, twice, City ehh didn't.
Bottom of the table looks like it is going to be bloody close this year. Norwich look to be gone, barring a miracle. But there are 5 or 6 sides who could yet go down. In fact even up to (and including) Arsenal are probably not safe yet. Though I can't quite see Arsenal dropping enough points to go down, a few of the teams round them are capable of going on the kind of run (no wins in 7 or 8, or 4pts from 24 kinda thing) that takes you from middle table obscurity and plonks you right in the ****.
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Man City banned from Europe for 2 seasons then, never thought it would happen and I guess they can appeal it. But still a suprise, imagine if they won the CL this season, they wouldn't be able to defend it.
I'm just wandering if 5th will be enough for Man Utd to qaulify now :lol: or will England only be given 3 places?
We will still struggle to qaulify anyway. :lol:
I'm just wandering if 5th will be enough for Man Utd to qaulify now :lol: or will England only be given 3 places?
We will still struggle to qaulify anyway. :lol:
theforceuk said:
Yeap, they have already said they will appeal. My first reaction was that they would appeal and it would end up being suspended. Which is effectively it being dismissed.
I have a bit of sympathy for them. They have broken the FFP rules, allegedly. FFP was designed to keep the big boys big and stop small clubs spending their way to the top. You know, like ehhh City (and Chelsea) did. It was never about protecting clubs from themselves as it was touted by UEFA etc. It's the big clubs trying to pull the trap door up behind them.
Put it like this, City have broken FFP rules and yet have no debt. Utd, who have not broken the rules, are hundreds of millions in debt. Which club is following a financial model that should be encouraged?
Yes, ok, City may have some debt if they hadn't, allegedly, broken the rules. But the point is the same.
FFP has always been a joke. It City lose their appeal I could see them challenging the basis of FFP's legality. That opens a whole kettle of fish.
Two other points. Strangely UEFA said nothing when Real sold their training ground to the local council for €200m only to buy it straight back for €1. That's one Euro, not one million. There was not a peep from UEFA when that happened. But an English club starts spending money and breaking into the big time, suddenly FFP appears. A very strange coincidence.
UEFA also don't seem too bothered by PSG's spending. Another strange coincidence.
I'm not even gonna start on Real and Barca and their endless tapping up. That's a different issue.
theforceuk said:
As far as I know that is still to be confirmed, but most people suspect the CL spot will simply default to whoever comes fifth.
As I said to my Utd supporting mates, if that happens, watch Utd finish 6th on GD lol.
Without meaning to sound like I am trying to wind Utd fans up, I'm not, I suspect they would be better off in the EL next year anyway. Unless they manage four or five top drawer signings this summer and let's be fair, that ain't happening.
But then again, I think a lot of their sponsorship contracts have clauses whereby the amount the sponsor pays drops considerably if Utd are out of CL for two consecutive seasons. If that is true then missing out on the CL could be a problem. The Glaziers will still suck their money out though so don't worry about having a whip round yet Utd fans.
Another slender victory for Spurs yesterday, our defence must be giving Jose nightmares, surely the worst he has ever worked with. Got a few big games comig up and I have a feeling they will show where we really are.
I do think it's funny though that Villa's manager was calling the VAR decision 'farcical', his defender didn't touch any of the ball while taking out of a defender, I can't think of a better example for justifying VAR.
I do think it's funny though that Villa's manager was calling the VAR decision 'farcical', his defender didn't touch any of the ball while taking out of a defender, I can't think of a better example for justifying VAR.
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Yeah, I have literally only seen the penalty and Alderwerield's goal, but that was a stonewall pen for me. As you say, the defender doesn't get the ball and does get the man ehhh that makes it a pen! The Villa manager was spouting on about how the ref gave a goal kick and no one in the stadium was calling for a pen so how is it a clear an obvious error. I don't even know where to start with that. It is really strange that with Villa playing at home none of their supporters were calling for the ref to give a stoppage time penalty against them! Obviously every club's supporters are totally impartial. The fact the ref gave a goal kick shows he missed the foul and thus makes it a clear and obvious error. Muppet.
Villa are one of the few clubs in the PL who I didn't like (two of the others play tonight) and I would be quite happy to see them go down. Can someone explain to me how Jack Grealish is being talked about in the 60-80m quid bracket? The lad is a glorified show pony playing in a side literally built around him. He is by no means a "bad" player, but **** me 60-80m is more than three times what he's worth. Anyone who pays that needs their heads looked at.
Chelsea just signed zyich (spelling, obv) from Ajax for 33m. He has played in a CL semi final and won titles with ajax. Yet he's worth less than half a Grealish!? Even allowing for the stupid "English premium" there is something wrong there.
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Well VAR was horrendous tonight, Maguire should absolutely have been sent off for kicking out. Giroud having his big toe offside was a joke as well. They need to either scrap offside altogether or take the centreline of your body as the on/off decider, not the fact you've got size 11s and the defenders only size 9 :roll:
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Yes the offside thing is a joke and VAR was on Utds side tonight. I have to say Chelsea were poor though.
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Yeah, Chelsea were woeful last night.
Batschyuai looked like a crap version of Jason Lee. How he gets picked ahead of Giroud I will never know. Bayern will put double figures on Chelsea if they play like that.
I agree Maguire was lucky to stay on. He goes and that's a totally different game. I have no issue with Giroud's goal being chalked off though. He was offside. ok, only by half a boot but still.....offside. The goals where a players armpit is offside bug me, as no player has ever scored with his arm pit. But for ones like Giroud's, offside is offside (lot's of people have scored with their feet).
Not so sure on the Zouma disallowed goal though. Fred pushes Aszp into Williams. Yes, Aszp fouls Williams but the initial momentum comes from Fred. I think Utd were slightly lucky there. Add that to Maguire staying on maybe those bitter and twisted Utd fans who keep bleating on about "LiVARpool" will STFU. Although, as they seemed to ignore the two goals Pool had disallowed against them* and the two goals (Firminio's and Mane's) they have had disallowed for offside armpits, I doubt it will make any difference to them. Too bitter.
The race for 4th and 5th if City lose, is going to be very tight.
* And, yes, both were correctly disallowed. Though that handball against Mane was tight.
edd_jedi said:
How unlucky is that? I know Spurs had a season or two recently without a crippling string of big name injuries, but this one seems to be something of a return to the bad old Darren Anderton days :-(. With Kane and Son both out for what looks like the rest of the season, who's next to get injured? Moura or Bergwijn presumably!
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I don't think either of Chelsea's goals should have been ruled out, my views on the off side law are that it needs to change, someones toe being a couple of inches in front of the last defenders is no reason to rule a goal out and its completely against the spirit of football for me.
Chelsea's first goal should have stood as well, the push had no impact on the goal what so ever, if De Gea had been pushed over down the other end of the pitch the goal would have stood, so whats the difference!! :lol:
Anyway I'm not complaining, if your going by the letter of the law then yeah VAR was correct. But why wasn't HM sent off for his kick then? Thats what annoys me about it.
Chelsea's first goal should have stood as well, the push had no impact on the goal what so ever, if De Gea had been pushed over down the other end of the pitch the goal would have stood, so whats the difference!! :lol:
Anyway I'm not complaining, if your going by the letter of the law then yeah VAR was correct. But why wasn't HM sent off for his kick then? Thats what annoys me about it.
Well that was shite.
Give Atleti a soft goal inside 5 mins and then watch them spend the next 85 lined up 15 yards inside their own half, falling over and rolling about every time there was a tackle and they lost the ball, then taking 5 mins to take the free kick and generally wasting as much time as possible. Great viewing. :roll:
I know Atleti are a club in Simeone's image and they were never going to play pretty football but that was 90 mins that couldn't really have gone better for them. And worse for the viewing public, unless you like that kind of football (hello Jose).
Was it just me or did the ref seem to blow and give them a free EVERY SINGLE time one of their boys screamed and rolled about the ground!? It didn't seem to matter if the tackle was clean or who won it, tackle = Atleti player rolling about = Atleti free kick. :roll:
With about 10 to go he even brought Pool back and made them take a free kick after they had ridden a tackle and broken through the first line of Atleti players. "Cheers ref. We'll just go back and let them set up again sure. That's sum advantage we got there!"
That doesn't excuse how flat and slow Pool were. The ball took an age to get worked from one side to the other and far to often it went backwards, letting Atleti set up and making it harder to break them down.
I do think the second leg will be different, but we know how Atleti will set up. If they score first it's game over.
I also now have another club to add to my list of European sides I hate. They join Real and their fellow diving time wasting bastards, PSG.
I have a bad feeling about the second leg.
Give Atleti a soft goal inside 5 mins and then watch them spend the next 85 lined up 15 yards inside their own half, falling over and rolling about every time there was a tackle and they lost the ball, then taking 5 mins to take the free kick and generally wasting as much time as possible. Great viewing. :roll:
I know Atleti are a club in Simeone's image and they were never going to play pretty football but that was 90 mins that couldn't really have gone better for them. And worse for the viewing public, unless you like that kind of football (hello Jose).
Was it just me or did the ref seem to blow and give them a free EVERY SINGLE time one of their boys screamed and rolled about the ground!? It didn't seem to matter if the tackle was clean or who won it, tackle = Atleti player rolling about = Atleti free kick. :roll:
With about 10 to go he even brought Pool back and made them take a free kick after they had ridden a tackle and broken through the first line of Atleti players. "Cheers ref. We'll just go back and let them set up again sure. That's sum advantage we got there!"
That doesn't excuse how flat and slow Pool were. The ball took an age to get worked from one side to the other and far to often it went backwards, letting Atleti set up and making it harder to break them down.
I do think the second leg will be different, but we know how Atleti will set up. If they score first it's game over.
I also now have another club to add to my list of European sides I hate. They join Real and their fellow diving time wasting bastards, PSG.
I have a bad feeling about the second leg.
So what was all that about Leipzig being a gimme? Granted Spurs aren't the best team in Europe (CL finalists I'll have you know! :lol: ) but we were outclassed last night for sure. Don't really understand why the media are writing off a team that is second in the German top tier.
Yes not holding out much hope for Spurs against Chelsea tomorrow, I'd definitely take a draw. Although I don't think it's a season defining game because knowing us we'll beat Chelsea and then lose to Norwich. Need SFU and MU to slip up really.
Leicester v City would be a big game, but as there's a 20/10 point cushion either side of them, it really doesn't make any difference.
Leicester v City would be a big game, but as there's a 20/10 point cushion either side of them, it really doesn't make any difference.
