I should have known better

[chazb73]

Anyone dealt with yavincollectables? before?

I bought a few reseals from this fella.

None of the descriptions mentioned the following which were with them:

Repro weapons in bubbles :twisted:
One Possible repro bubble
Repro footers
Figures have paint loss - bar one.

I opened a case for each one - his reply:

'Show me where in the description where it says original weapons !

Total cop out. It's like saying "show where it mention's it didn't have dog **** on them!."


He has offered me a refund - return cost at my expense.

How do I cover myself here?

Was looking forward to these as they looked good - I'll never learn!

 

[x-pack]

It's gotta be the repro weapons angle. Selling fake goods and all that. Might be better just claiming off Ebay if that's possible and he's being an arse about postage.

 

[chazb73]

It's gotta be the repro weapons angle. Selling fake goods and all that. Might be better just claiming off Ebay if that's possible and he's being an arse about postage.

I think you are right Barry

I'm annoyed at myself to be honest mate

 

[PGowdy]

When he says "show me in the sale where it says genuine weapons" - Many sellers try this ****. But by the rules of ebay, he needs to show you where in the sale it says ' "fake weapons" or else he is in breach.

When you opened the case did you state that the items were "counterfeit"? This would have helped as you may have been able to keep the trash and get a refund.

Otherwise. Open cases for all items. Return them tracked and keep receipts. Then leave him a neg for each one.
A lot of people bottle it in this situation and say "ah, i can't be bothered begging the guy, he did give a refund… i should have been more careful" etc etc. And i think anyone who does that lets themselves down and the collecting community. imo.
If he's not begged others will get conned so it's our duty to make sure these bastards get outed. Publicly. And the best way of doing that is with an informative negative feedback comment.

 

[PGowdy]

If you haven't opened cases yet and can state "items were counterfeit" i would do that and then call ebay and speak to someone expressing your concern that if these counterfeit (don't mention it's just the weapons) items are sent back to the seller then he can just sell them again and rip someone else off. In all likelihood they will see your point of view and tell you to keep the items and issue the refund.

 

[weasel]

I would always assume if it's a reseal that the odds are the weapon is repro. Better to assume the worst....

Good luck getting a refund, given how Ebay work you should actually be ok.

 

[plantman]

if you get a report off steve at UKG that they are fake reseals ebay will ask you to destroy them and process a refund. As its illegal to send counterfeit items in the post (tell ebay that too) if he hasnt marked them as repros then they are fakes and illegal.

if you have to return them just get onto ebay saying return postage is more costly that the item is worth and they should offer to pay for return postage for you and they then charge it to his paypal

Andy

 

[chazb73]

Again chaps you have come up trumps with great info.

I bought a few reseals (not from him) recently and they were mint figures with original weapons - superb cards infact.

So was daft to assume these would be similar!!

Done as you suggested Pete - phoned ebay, they said to fill in a report on their site and will give me a decision when I can escalate the case next week.

The figures are real its the weapons, footplate and possibly one of the bubbles that's fake

Thanks again guys

 

[PGowdy]

Again chaps you have come up trumps with great info.

I bought a few reseals (not from him) recently and they were mint figures with original weapons - superb cards infact.

So was daft to assume these would be similar!!

Done as you suggested Pete - phoned ebay, they said to fill in a report on their site and will give me a decision when I can escalate the case next week.

The figures are real its the weapons, footplate and possibly one of the bubbles that's fake

Thanks again guys

Yeah, but as i said, don't write on the form that just the weapons are fake. Be a bit vague say "the items sent" are fake. This is for several reasons. 1) ebay are easily confused and if you start separating parts of the sale it will weaken your chances. 2) ebay don't really know what you bought. If you say you were sent fakes they can assume it was all fake (their assumption) and you won't have to send anything back. He can argue; the figures were genuine. You can just repeat- i was sent counterfeit items.

AND NEG HIM!

 

[Palifan]

Just to play devil's advocate here, are these expensive reseals like 12/20/30 back Palitoy items? I can understand that them coming with repro weapons and footers and this not being pointed out in the listing is wrong but do you think it's really fair to keep the item for free because of this?

I'm probably misunderstanding this whole situation and apologize if I've got the wrong end of the stick but don't you think a part refund would be fairer?

Ian

 

[PGowdy]

Just to play devil's advocate here, are these expensive reseals like 12/20/30 back Palitoy items? I can understand that them coming with repro weapons and footers and this not being pointed out in the listing is wrong but do you think it's really fair to keep the item for free because of this?

I'm probably misunderstanding this whole situation and apologize if I've got the wrong end of the stick but don't you think a part refund would be fairer?

Ian

Yes. It's indefensible. Unless you can say the seller really didn't know. Which we know he did. So he was intentionally withholding information about the weapons being repro. Quote: "i never said they weren't repro" Then you intentionally broke the rules of ebay and did it to gain an advantage on a potential buyer.

 

[plantman]

just report as a fake and ebay will ask you to destroy it, send him the video

 

[chazb73]

They weren't expensive palitoy's . I bought 5 for £75.

I did email and ask if he was interested in a part refund - no reply

Pete - I put reproduction items in my case notes

The main concern I had was when returning them, to cover myself I would have to post each item individually to get a tracking no for each one?

Each case is open individually - I may be wrong here but what would stop him saying only one card was sent back if I posted them back in the same box??

 

[PGowdy]

They weren't expensive palitoy's . I bought 5 for £75.

I did email and ask if he was interested in a part refund - no reply

Pete - I put reproduction items in my case notes

The main concern I had was when returning them, to cover myself I would have to post each item individually to get a tracking no for each one?

Each case is open individually - I may be wrong here but what would stop him saying only one card was sent back if I posted them back in the same box??

No, you should be able to send them all in one package. Basically because they're all going to the same address the one tracking number will suffice for all 5 separate items. Each item has it's own tracking number, it just happens to be the same as thew others. If unsure speak to ebay but it'll be fine.

 

[chazb73]

Cool Pete - thanks again mate

 

[Palifan]

They weren't expensive palitoy's . I bought 5 for £75.

I did email and ask if he was interested in a part refund - no reply

Pete - I put reproduction items in my case notes

The main concern I had was when returning them, to cover myself I would have to post each item individually to get a tracking no for each one?

Each case is open individually - I may be wrong here but what would stop him saying only one card was sent back if I posted them back in the same box??

As you contacted to seller about a part refund and received no correspondence then I can totally see the reasons for your actions now. It's the sellers fault for ignoring you about the issue and you're right Pete about the seller trying to mislead the buyer. It may not be high priced reseals but 75 is not to be sniffed at and the seller deserves to be both out of pocket and not have the items back, maybe this lesson will make them think twice about trying to pull the same thing twice.

Best of luck with it - Ian

 

[itfciain]

I wouldn't worry about sending them back separately - I have know eBay find in the buyers favour even if they haven't sent things back tracked so you'll have no problem if you put them all in the same box

I will be honest though I would stay well away from re-cards - they are a magnet for repro - and even if the weapon looks good - you'll never know unless you open it up

 

[robpmarsh]

I recently had to open an eBay case for a fake POTF Yoda I bought. After getting advice from others on this forum I told eBay it was counterfeit and was issued a refund within 14 days and told to destroy the items by them. I did call eBay about this and was advised to put it down as an 'overall fake' rather than just the card/bubble too.

I was also told that eBay don't advise returning any counterfeit items to a seller as it will most probably be re-listed.

Hope this helps

 

[chazb73]

Cheers for that mate - I will keep it in mind

 

[Palifan]

Out of interest, what's to stop someone being sent an item, claiming it's fake when it's not and then getting a refund?

I hope ebay have something in place to prevent this or this could be a problem for a legit seller. Also I thought the card backs sent this time were original and not reproduction (maybe just one bubble). It is just the weapons were talking about here and the misleading listing and not a complete repro. Would love to see some pictures of them.

Ian