and Willow and Indiana Jones 5 were also utter disasters.
Kathleen Kennedy NUMBER !
Kathleen Kennedy NUMBER !
Here we go again - New films announced
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Galactic Starcruiser Hotel was also a multi million dollar cancelled cheesefest
monkey_roo
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I will post a defence of Indy, the problem wasn't the film, the problem was that it was made for people in their late 40's early 50's who simply don't go the cinema en-mass. The pacing was good, the overall muguffin was in keeping with the other 4 (far better than Kingdom) and they at least gave Indy and Marrion the ending we all wanted them to have. The cost was, like all films now - wayyyyy to much and the use of de-aging tech could have been better, but at least it was true to the character - which I suspect was mostly down to Ford, I liked it anyway
But beyond that I think you've nailed in, so many missteps and fudge-ups, but not all KK, Disney should never of mothballed the EU when they bought it, that act was completely driven by a ridiculous need to say, are stuff is better (will be better) and from a marketing perspective wanting to sell new **** (literally) when leaning into it was the way to go. By all accounts Lucas had so many episodes of shows scripted... what a waste.
I don't really have an issue with the Force Awakens and the hiring of JJ - yes it was a remake, but it hit the marks more or less, Ford wanted Solo killed off as much as (if not more than) anyone and killing one hero set the stakes and that is where it should have ended... The mistake was not having JJ writing all 3 in one go and frankly make all three, I suspect we would have got a very different set of films, at the least a coherent story. Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda.
As for TV - again The animation has been fine (visual quality is groundbreaking) - the stories maybe stretched a bit in Bad Batch, Visions was something interesting. Mando 1 and 2 were great but the second the execs saw that, they wanted to control it and down the tubes it went. Andor is amazing, how on earth that got green-lit I have no idea, because it is way off the reservation next to the stuff KK is pushing for. so in live actions terms I would say 3 good seasons of stuff and 3 bad so far, and as for Obi-Wan, I'd call that a draw.
I must have said this a hundred times now - but let the creative have the space they need to be creative and tell good stories, that matter, that have gravitas and stop trying to treat everything as a product - if you do that then the good stories will sell, people will contact with the character and fall in love and then the merchandising will fly off the shelves - its like Disney have forgotten that the story comes first - the rest will follow....
But as said, the biggest worry right now is the management, they've forgotten what SW is and what it means, trying to shove agendas in that aren't needed or wanted (and if done properly some of which could have been subtly added in anyway) but how the hell do fans have any faith in the studio that has announced so much and then never delivered, that has destroyed its own cinematic legacy and at best had a mixed bag on TV, but sadly thanks to the Acolyte, done so much damage its hard to see how to repair it. After all that, how the hell are the money men letting this happen - but the announcements keep coming and nothing seems to change....
But beyond that I think you've nailed in, so many missteps and fudge-ups, but not all KK, Disney should never of mothballed the EU when they bought it, that act was completely driven by a ridiculous need to say, are stuff is better (will be better) and from a marketing perspective wanting to sell new **** (literally) when leaning into it was the way to go. By all accounts Lucas had so many episodes of shows scripted... what a waste.
I don't really have an issue with the Force Awakens and the hiring of JJ - yes it was a remake, but it hit the marks more or less, Ford wanted Solo killed off as much as (if not more than) anyone and killing one hero set the stakes and that is where it should have ended... The mistake was not having JJ writing all 3 in one go and frankly make all three, I suspect we would have got a very different set of films, at the least a coherent story. Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda.
As for TV - again The animation has been fine (visual quality is groundbreaking) - the stories maybe stretched a bit in Bad Batch, Visions was something interesting. Mando 1 and 2 were great but the second the execs saw that, they wanted to control it and down the tubes it went. Andor is amazing, how on earth that got green-lit I have no idea, because it is way off the reservation next to the stuff KK is pushing for. so in live actions terms I would say 3 good seasons of stuff and 3 bad so far, and as for Obi-Wan, I'd call that a draw.
I must have said this a hundred times now - but let the creative have the space they need to be creative and tell good stories, that matter, that have gravitas and stop trying to treat everything as a product - if you do that then the good stories will sell, people will contact with the character and fall in love and then the merchandising will fly off the shelves - its like Disney have forgotten that the story comes first - the rest will follow....
But as said, the biggest worry right now is the management, they've forgotten what SW is and what it means, trying to shove agendas in that aren't needed or wanted (and if done properly some of which could have been subtly added in anyway) but how the hell do fans have any faith in the studio that has announced so much and then never delivered, that has destroyed its own cinematic legacy and at best had a mixed bag on TV, but sadly thanks to the Acolyte, done so much damage its hard to see how to repair it. After all that, how the hell are the money men letting this happen - but the announcements keep coming and nothing seems to change....
Star Wars budgets if made today (approx):
Star Wars: $61 Million
ESB: $114 million
ROTJ: $101 Million
EP1: $217 million
EP2: $201 Million
EP3: $182 Million
Lucas Saga if made today $876 million.
All revolutionised cinema and popular culture
Force Awakens $595 million
The Acolyte $230 Million
and this list of incompetent expenditure goes on and on.....
And yet we have the same decision makers 'sending notes' to directors and writers.
There is ZERO chance that Lucasfilm will be able to hire any real talent.
In addition you have the toxic work environment.
Skelton Crew will save us.
Stranger Things made money. Make that! Put TIE Fighters in it. Make the TIE Fighters gay!
Star Wars: $61 Million
ESB: $114 million
ROTJ: $101 Million
EP1: $217 million
EP2: $201 Million
EP3: $182 Million
Lucas Saga if made today $876 million.
All revolutionised cinema and popular culture
Force Awakens $595 million
The Acolyte $230 Million
and this list of incompetent expenditure goes on and on.....
And yet we have the same decision makers 'sending notes' to directors and writers.
There is ZERO chance that Lucasfilm will be able to hire any real talent.
In addition you have the toxic work environment.
Skelton Crew will save us.
Stranger Things made money. Make that! Put TIE Fighters in it. Make the TIE Fighters gay!
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lejackal
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For what it's worth, I really liked Solo and love R1
Yeah- ditto!
Yeah- Disney try to hide budgets, but if its in the UK, it has to release budget data by law.
It may even be higher:
www.forbes.com
It may even be higher:
The Disney Star Wars Movie That Shattered Spending Records
The cost of making Star Wars: The Force Awakens was even higher than previously thought. Disney spent $638.9m on the sci-fi film cementing its status as the most expensive movie in history.
www.forbes.com
You could have made all 3 prequels on that and all they did was CTRL + C and CTRL + V the original film
Twin30mm
Jedi Knight
Rise of Palpatine production costs were recently revealed as $588m.
Include marketing and the total could be as high as $800m.
As ROS made just over a billion, you're looking at a possible $600m loss.
Truly staggering.
No wonder we've not seen a theatrical release in five years, if they were making those kind of losses.
Include marketing and the total could be as high as $800m.
As ROS made just over a billion, you're looking at a possible $600m loss.
Truly staggering.
No wonder we've not seen a theatrical release in five years, if they were making those kind of losses.
