Frunkstar
Grand Master
You can take option 4 away if you like Iain as I can see its not going to do any good, folks who know me on here will know where I was going with it, but its just making waves so sack it.
Board Poll - Do you support UGrading
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itfciain
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Frunkstar said:
It's fine Frank - I actually wanted to gather an idea of the numbers and appreciate that some people's stance on this matter is not as cut and dried as others.
As we have discussed before, I understand that grading beater cards that are within an inch of their lives or even multi-pack contents is not as bad as using decent MOCs - however I think they should be graded without using the U- others don't - hence why the 4th option is there
Frunkstar
Grand Master
Yeah I know you understand my stance on it & I only have the U grade thing done to multi-packs mailer or would even consider it on a special offer vehicle or play set, anything containing baggies, but I know we see this from 2 sides of the same coin, for me I just like to see the baggies on display rather than a plain little box which lets face it is rather uninteresting, but as for missing the U out of the grading equation for this & this purpose alone I feel its a good thing as in future many many moons from now, when I pass my collection on to my kin (hopefully in my twilight years) it will be plain to see that they have not been in circulation & that more importantly that the baggies that are with the pack/set/mailer etc are indeed the correct ones for the pack in question, as a lot of us know, not much is known about multi-packs & exactly which baggies should go with them especially some of the ultra rare brown box early bird packs that simply have not turned up on the open market.
As for removing a figure from a perfectly good baggie or MOC - I think you all know my stance is the same as most on here - not the right thing to do period.
Why did I have to go & collect multi-packs as well as baggies eh :lol:
As for removing a figure from a perfectly good baggie or MOC - I think you all know my stance is the same as most on here - not the right thing to do period.
Why did I have to go & collect multi-packs as well as baggies eh :lol:
Nice discourse.
FWIW I knew Frank asked for option #4 because of mailers/multipacks etc and wasn't talking about carded figures (in any condition) - I can see his point and it is a subject that has been discussed before but in order for me to vote for #4 it would mean U grading mailers/boxes would be the only U grade service AFA offer and that isn't going to happen so I can only stick to #2 a firm NO.
Frunkstar
Grand Master
Or another use for the U designation though highly bloody unlikely - a sealed store pack of MOC's or vehicles/play sets once broken in to, don't think I have ever seen any other U graded MOC bar the meccano jawa's, which come in a tiny (I think) 5 figure pack? - clutching at straws here a bit, but I do like to keep an open mind, in fact mine in pretty vacant :lol:
Yeah this is what i figured. It's just so not what we're talking about. Well it's not what i have in mind when i express my hatred for ugrading. For me those figures are still preserved in the packaging they were means to be received in. The mail box is akin to an envelope in my opinion but then i guess opinions on that would differ. For example if someone came across a sealed box of trilogo Madines and decided to open it and maybe even have the carded Madines graded (preserved on their beautiful card-backs) i personally wouldn't have a problem with that. I actually think it's better that way than leaving the buggers in a brown box for eternity. Again, i'm sure that will be seen as a controversial point and opinions will differ. It's very much a different discussion to the one we've been having. And i guess this was my issue. We just start getting into multi-faceted areas of the argument when really, what we are talking about here, what we are always talking about, is the removal of perfectly good figures from their perfectly well preserved packaging. I think that what every decent, level-headed, hobby-preserving, non-profitering, conscience-possessing, collector who spends at least a small amount of time considering not just what HE wants but what might be better in the long run for the hobby and future collectors would agree with that.
Perhaps the thread should have been Do you support the Ugrading of mocs.
Perhaps the thread should have been Do you support the Ugrading of mocs.
tiefighterboy
Grand Master
This thread is alot of fun too
http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1088328/
http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1088328/
I worry that some beater cards are actually rare and the community might not be aware that it is. The market data is always evolving. Seen some ESB 31 backs going for crazy money, so I'm guess some could be difficult to find. This and many more reasons.
Baggies should stay sealed. There's hundreds of thousands c10 figures out there. Good hunting.
Baggies should stay sealed. There's hundreds of thousands c10 figures out there. Good hunting.
2stripes
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If someone wants to grade a figure on a ruined MOC, can you not just ask for standard grading and to drop the U grade? It would be an ethical compromise in my opinion.
If its a real total beater card and not what's wanted, why buy it in the first place? Sell it to someone who wants it and use the cash to get a minty loose one. I don't see it as justification personally but if you do then ask them to drop the U grade. If you still want the U grade and not prepared to do that I don't see any difference ethically, just because it's a ruined card. You're still promoting the practice by adding to those in circulation. You are either for or against it, if you collect loose buy loose and leave the MOC's for those who collect them.
In my opinion.
If its a real total beater card and not what's wanted, why buy it in the first place? Sell it to someone who wants it and use the cash to get a minty loose one. I don't see it as justification personally but if you do then ask them to drop the U grade. If you still want the U grade and not prepared to do that I don't see any difference ethically, just because it's a ruined card. You're still promoting the practice by adding to those in circulation. You are either for or against it, if you collect loose buy loose and leave the MOC's for those who collect them.
In my opinion.
Frunkstar
Grand Master
Yeah maybe I should not have put my thoughts about U grade in this poll & maybe it should indeed be titled do you agree with the U grading of MOC, as that it what this thread is really about, but I did want to have this point raised as I feel that there is a need/legitimate use for the U grade designation, just NOT what it is beeing used for!
I personally feel its just been implemented as a money spinner for the grading company's & subsequently the floodgates have been opened for fools to buy loose figures at a stupidly over inflated price tag & if there are fools who are willing to throw excessive funds at something needlessly there will always be a the shrewd business minded persons willing to to ride the wave of profits on the back of such a gift horse & ride it to its grave regardless of the ethical side to the situation, we only need to look at the way the world works to understand that sad but simple equasion.
A point that has already been raised on this thread is always foremost on my mind when I consider the U grading of MOC's, & that being the lack of knowledge of many of the persons trying to cash in on the U grade, if its the super rare carded figure being sent in for U/loose grading that although battered, may well be the one & only example of that figure & card combination out there, so condition regardless of how bad suddenly becomes a mute point, I imagine quite a few items never to be seen again have ended up that way, which as we all know is a great loss to the hobby.
I had a small collection of carded & I know I would have got twice as much back on a couple of them if I had sent them in for U grading, but did I sell them as is or did I sell them on on there cards?, I think you know the answer, sadly not everyone feels that way & like it or like it not, that's the way it will always be, the only way this could be halted is to get the grading company to stop the process - good luck with AFA & that old chestnut.
I personally feel its just been implemented as a money spinner for the grading company's & subsequently the floodgates have been opened for fools to buy loose figures at a stupidly over inflated price tag & if there are fools who are willing to throw excessive funds at something needlessly there will always be a the shrewd business minded persons willing to to ride the wave of profits on the back of such a gift horse & ride it to its grave regardless of the ethical side to the situation, we only need to look at the way the world works to understand that sad but simple equasion.
A point that has already been raised on this thread is always foremost on my mind when I consider the U grading of MOC's, & that being the lack of knowledge of many of the persons trying to cash in on the U grade, if its the super rare carded figure being sent in for U/loose grading that although battered, may well be the one & only example of that figure & card combination out there, so condition regardless of how bad suddenly becomes a mute point, I imagine quite a few items never to be seen again have ended up that way, which as we all know is a great loss to the hobby.
I had a small collection of carded & I know I would have got twice as much back on a couple of them if I had sent them in for U grading, but did I sell them as is or did I sell them on on there cards?, I think you know the answer, sadly not everyone feels that way & like it or like it not, that's the way it will always be, the only way this could be halted is to get the grading company to stop the process - good luck with AFA & that old chestnut.
Some good points Frank. Whilst I'm totally against the u grading of mocs and sealed baggies, when it comes to taking things out of sealed mailer boxes, I don't see the problem. After all, what's the point if displaying a sealed box? Maybe the mailers could be given a different letter rather than U if they come out of a sealed box?
Bramistuta25
Sith Lord
My personal opinion is that it's just not "the jedi way"... If you asked the Jedi Council I am sure they would be against all forms of Ugrading.
I'm with Grant, although I am struggling to get my MINTY collection complete, there is enough figures out there that are already loose that can be graded. Seriously, what is the real difference between a U85 and an 85 graded figure... Only YOU!! (play on words).
I'm with Grant, although I am struggling to get my MINTY collection complete, there is enough figures out there that are already loose that can be graded. Seriously, what is the real difference between a U85 and an 85 graded figure... Only YOU!! (play on words).
I have no problem with people debating the issue, what is not acceptable is setting the lynch mob on people trying to sell such items, which like it or not are a part of our 'scene.'
I voted for no personally - I hate the thought of anything sealed being opened, regardless of condition.
I voted for no personally - I hate the thought of anything sealed being opened, regardless of condition.
TwistedMetal
Sith Lord
I have voted for "only in certain circumstances" my views on this:
The question "Do you support Ugrading" well for somebody too buy a Moc with the reason been too U grade it, i totally feel is wrong, Figures look great on the cards they were issued on and that is where they should stay in many cases. Figures too look great inside a shiney case but having a U next too its grade means very little too me.
I have now completed my run of loose graded figures, non of which i sent off too get graded myself and i doubt i ever will, i am now going to concentrate on collecting ESB cards, because out of the 5 differant cards i feel they stand out and look the nicest.
I sold a card on here and whilst in the post too the buyer, his feet popped out of the bottom, having been sent some pics i refunded the buyer the full amount and he kindly sent him back too me, now this figure tbh was only any good now as a loose, but i didnt have the heart too take him out, so i sold him on ebay, now in this circumstance i can understand if somebody wanted too get him U graded, however i can also understand that he could easly still be kept as a display card and figure although his feet are stuck out of the bottom.
I watched a POTF R2 pop up sell months ago on ebay, it have half the card torn off it, now i can also understand if that was U graded as im sure it was.
We all ripped bubbles off cards when we were kids, many of us im sure regret doing it, those who U grade cards unless in extream circumstances i feel are wrong too do so, the feeling of buying something that is still on its card and is over 40 years old, is a great feeling for me, far better than something in a shiney case, yesterday i bought a He-man battle cat still in its box, i never thought i would see one again, since as a kid i loved them, but if somebody said too me you can have this battle cat (boxed) for £50 quid or this U grade battle cat for nothing, i would rather pay the £50 quid and cherish the distant memeries i still have when i tore off the wrapping paper and had a boxed brand new battle cat in front of me.
I have never been great with words and hope i havent offended anybody with my views on this subject and hope you understand my views.
The question "Do you support Ugrading" well for somebody too buy a Moc with the reason been too U grade it, i totally feel is wrong, Figures look great on the cards they were issued on and that is where they should stay in many cases. Figures too look great inside a shiney case but having a U next too its grade means very little too me.
I have now completed my run of loose graded figures, non of which i sent off too get graded myself and i doubt i ever will, i am now going to concentrate on collecting ESB cards, because out of the 5 differant cards i feel they stand out and look the nicest.
I sold a card on here and whilst in the post too the buyer, his feet popped out of the bottom, having been sent some pics i refunded the buyer the full amount and he kindly sent him back too me, now this figure tbh was only any good now as a loose, but i didnt have the heart too take him out, so i sold him on ebay, now in this circumstance i can understand if somebody wanted too get him U graded, however i can also understand that he could easly still be kept as a display card and figure although his feet are stuck out of the bottom.
I watched a POTF R2 pop up sell months ago on ebay, it have half the card torn off it, now i can also understand if that was U graded as im sure it was.
We all ripped bubbles off cards when we were kids, many of us im sure regret doing it, those who U grade cards unless in extream circumstances i feel are wrong too do so, the feeling of buying something that is still on its card and is over 40 years old, is a great feeling for me, far better than something in a shiney case, yesterday i bought a He-man battle cat still in its box, i never thought i would see one again, since as a kid i loved them, but if somebody said too me you can have this battle cat (boxed) for £50 quid or this U grade battle cat for nothing, i would rather pay the £50 quid and cherish the distant memeries i still have when i tore off the wrapping paper and had a boxed brand new battle cat in front of me.
I have never been great with words and hope i havent offended anybody with my views on this subject and hope you understand my views.
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