Ahsoka

[Mini99]

I've lost the plot, the series has lost the plot and so has Disney.
This is just not my "thing"., to be fair, nor was BoBF, the Ben Show or for that matter the last couple of series of Mando.
I really don't care anymore, not that I did much to start with in all honesty, but I will watch it to the bitter end.

 

[Pomse2001]

I really like the last episode. I was surprised that thrawn got so many min. on the screen

I also like the star destroyer and the stormies Any idea what the storie about the star destroyer are ? are it still under construction since it does look unfinished or damaged and maybe under repair

 

[lejackal]

I don't like Thrawn and I don't like the Stormtroopers with bondage tape, and as for the gold bot 300 trooper it can get ******.

Its rare I get particularly pissy with Star Wars, but this latest episode was a nonsense.

Thrawn in Rebels was fine, it was before ROTJ so didn't really screw too much, this abomination of the character is basically Thrawn Cosplay.

Anyway, enjoy it if you like it, stick with it if you can in the hope of a step up and decent last couple of episodes. Stick it in the bin and move on if you hate it to piss boiling levels

 

[BabyAckbar]

Another great episode- goosebumps when Thrawn's Star Destroyer arrived. Great Stormtroopers, too. Enjoyed Sabine's encounters on her trek across Scotland

Will be interesting to see what Ezra brings to the party in the next couple of episodes.

Another great episode.

I got those goosebumps for the star destroyer too (especially when seeing the gold playing on the hull where the ship was damaged in REBELS.

Got even more goosebumps when see ing the battered and worn stormtrooper armour and the awesome Captain Enoch.

I had hoped for a battered ship and beat up troopers but this was better than hoped.

Strangely though Thrawn's intro was a bit "off" - I don't know how to describe but it didn't get the reaction out of me that I would have expected. I don't why though.

However, Mikkelson is very good as usual. And hearing him speak gives me the wiggans and a sense of dread why he talks to Sabine about how she has sacrificed the Galaxy for this trip.

However, Ezra and Sabine's reunion (something I had been really looking forward to) was a massive disappointment. And that I can explain.

After ten years he is reunited with one of the most important people in his life and he just nonchalantly leans against a hut with "what took you so long?" Sabine has put the fate of the galaxy on the line and she just puts hands on hips and rolls her eyes.

No big emotional moment. No tears. No joy.

I had thought the "power" Baylin Schol had thought of was to be with Thrawn but it didn't seem to fit the character. Now we know he had his own reasons for hitching a ride with Elsbeth.

He is searching for the origins of the Force to bring an end to the chaos. A noble cause but no doubt doing so would cause disaster.

I wonder if James Mangold's movie will tie into this.

Looking forward to next week.

 

[BabyAckbar]

I really like the last episode. I was surprised that thrawn got so many min. on the screen

I also like the star destroyer and the stormies Any idea what the storie about the star destroyer are ? are it still under construction since it does look unfinished or damaged and maybe under repair

Thrawn's Star Destroyer was heavily damaged in the last episode of REBELS. The gold parts are repairs made over the last few years.

 

[BabyAckbar]

Hmmm... I thought this series got off to a good start and I initially enjoyed it. It was fun to see the 'Rebels' characters and locations brought to life convincingly, and I also gave it a pass on its massive female bias since the characters were at least true to 'Rebels'. I have commented on the slow pace of the storytelling and also my misgivings over some of the choices made in episode 4, but I was hoping things would pick up, however....

My liking of the series has taken a hit in episodes 5 and especially 6. The whole edifice is starting to creak for me. If you manage to still love it then good for you, but I'm really starting to question how much this feels like Star Wars for me. Yes, it was nice to see Hayden and glimpses of what a live action Clone Wars series would have been like, but that hardly advances the plot in this series, and since we aren't getting a live action Clone Wars, that amounts to teasing the audience with memberberries. And that aside, what else happened in that episode? Hera was ignored and then effectively slapped down by the Government; despite being a trustworthy General her reports were instantly dismissed! I'm struggling to find Elsbeth even remotely threatening, Ahsoka spent god-knows how long underwater and yet didn't drown (and because a woman simply cannot be saved by a man in modern Hollywood, did you notice she was fished from the water by a short female pilot when there was a much larger and stronger male pilot standing right on the ramp next to her like a big useless lump, when she emerged from the sea?). Ahsoka suddenly wearing white like she's the new Gandalf after being rescued and then standing on the exterior of a fast moving, extremely high flying space craft to Force-talk to the whales stretched credulity to breaking point for me, and the hyperspace whales themselves were a ridiculous idea in 'Rebels' and they look even more ludicrous in live action (they need baleen why exactly? Do they eat air plankton?).

As I say, this really isn't feeling much like Star Wars to me any longer.

And then we come to episode 6... Well, at least we finally got to see Ezra and Grand Admiral Paunch / Wig. We certainly didn't get to see much of Ahsoka in a show supposedly about her, but we did get to see Sabine ride a wolf-bat-horse that she was instantly able to communicate with without any difficulty whatsoever, have both of her blasters shot out of her hands by sharp-shooters who then sportingly stopped using their own blasters as soon as she switched to her lightsaber, enabling her to suddenly win a fight she was very much losing. We got to see Muppet tortoises who seem to spend a large portion of their lives pretending to be rocks miles from their homes for some reason, but we did finally get to see some stormtroopers.... this time complete with painted armour just like we never saw at any stage in the original trilogy, plus 1980's style post-apocalyptic leg-warmers / rags which served no obvious purpose that I could see other than to allow Hasbro to pump out a billion tweaked reissues. And as for the one with the ridiculous golden face... SMH!

As I say, if you're enjoying this, then well done, but for me this series fell off a cliff when Ahsoka did. It doesn't look like Star Wars and doesn't feel like Star Wars to me. What it worryingly does feel like to me is Disney Lucasfilm setting the stage to completely undermine everything we know and love about Star Wars. The rumours about them 'killing' the Force and shifting the action to the other galaxy where only women can wield the Force's replacement (unless you're a villain, in which case men can... of course [must smash that nasty imaginary patriarchy with a load of hateful misandry]), sounds only too plausible...

I've come this far, so I'll finish the series and hope against hope for an improvement, but after this I genuinely think I may be done with Disney Star Wars...

I was interrupted when scrolling the page and when I looked back to the screen your post was on the screen. I assume (like the Nightsisters) that the thread of Fate put me there for a reason.

Ahsoka didn't drown because she wasn't in the water long enough to drown because she had been in the World Between Worlds.

That was a very large portion of the episode. How did you miss it?

You mention "stretching credibility"? Space wizards and robots and teddy bears. A giant slug is the big name is organised crime. Armoured Soldiers that die with one shoot and can be knocked out with a punch. But a space whale is going too far?

And then the hogwash about misandry. No one said men can't use the Force in this new galaxy. That is nowhere in the episode. And the drivel about the woman diving in to rescue Ahsoka - maybe she was just the better swimmer. Maybe the goosed a coin. Maybe the other guy can't swim.

This fear of women is just bizarre. I don't understand how it all came about.

 

[BabyAckbar]

Were Stevenson and Sankho at Celebration this year?

 

[sith-smith]

Well, I enjoyed it. Was it great...in places, for sure. But I've come to accept that SW films/series aren't being made for me and my own specific wishes and that nothing will ever match the OT in my mind.

There are plenty of things I wished they'd done and things I could have done without. To be honest I can find plenty of things like that in the OT.

I would have expected more in the Ezra/Sabine reunion. Also a bit odd she found him so easily.

Not sure on the new trooper style. Though part of me wonders if they are just reanimated dead troopers, courtesy of the witches!

I do like the Thrawn character and wish we had gotten the Zahn Trilogy as the sequels to the OT. So I do have a sense of feeling cheated of something that would have been incredible, but grateful I am at least getting something of what could have been.

 

[lejackal]

wish we had gotten the Zahn Trilogy as the sequels to the OT.

This. 100% this

 

[Cazza]

Agree with most of this...

I loved the new troopers- I was thinking they were brought back from the dead, with their armour being held together with the red nightsister cloth. There was a creepiness about them. Also loved Enoch- all very gladiator/Roman/Samurai.

Sabine did indeed find Ezra all too easily, but was this all by Thrawn's design? The reunion was also a little subdued, considering.

 

[Cazza]

I was interrupted when scrolling the page and when I looked back to the screen your post was on the screen. I assume (like the Nightsisters) that the thread of Fate put me there for a reason.

Ahsoka didn't drown because she wasn't in the water long enough to drown because she had been in the World Between Worlds.

That was a very large portion of the episode. How did you miss it?

You mention "stretching credibility"? Space wizards and robots and teddy bears. A giant slug is the big name is organised crime. Armoured Soldiers that die with one shoot and can be knocked out with a punch. But a space whale is going too far?

And then the hogwash about misandry. No one said men can't use the Force in this new galaxy. That is nowhere in the episode. And the drivel about the woman diving in to rescue Ahsoka - maybe she was just the better swimmer. Maybe the goosed a coin. Maybe the other guy can't swim.

This fear of women is just bizarre. I don't understand how it all came about.

I agree with this and find the 'hateful misandry' stuff very strange and a bit too conspiracy theory for my liking. Jeremy, WTF are you on about?

 

[Pomse2001]

Thrawn's Star Destroyer was heavily damaged in the last episode of REBELS. The gold parts are repairs made over the last few years.

I have forgot all about that, it has been a long time since I saw that tv series. But are rebels not a tv series before a new hope ? so the star destroyer should have been repaired 100% since the empire had nearly full control of the galaxy an unlimited resources at that time

 

[BabyAckbar]

I have forgot all about that, it has been a long time since I saw that tv series. But are rebels not a tv series before a new hope ? so the star destroyer should have been repaired 100% since the empire had nearly full control of the galaxy an unlimited resources at that time

No, they've been stranded in this other galaxy all those years.

 

[BabyAckbar]

Well, I enjoyed it. Was it great...in places, for sure. But I've come to accept that SW films/series aren't being made for me and my own specific wishes and that nothing will ever match the OT in my mind.

There are plenty of things I wished they'd done and things I could have done without. To be honest I can find plenty of things like that in the OT.

I would have expected more in the Ezra/Sabine reunion. Also a bit odd she found him so easily.

Not sure on the new trooper style. Though part of me wonders if they are just reanimated dead troopers, courtesy of the witches!

I do like the Thrawn character and wish we had gotten the Zahn Trilogy as the sequels to the OT. So I do have a sense of feeling cheated of something that would have been incredible, but grateful I am at least getting something of what could have been.

I believe that Filoni is trying to give

Agree with most of this...

I loved the new troopers- I was thinking they were brought back from the dead, with their armour being held together with the red nightsister cloth. There was a creepiness about them. Also loved Enoch- all very gladiator/Roman/Samurai.

Sabine did indeed find Ezra all too easily, but was this all by Thrawn's design? The reunion was also a little subdued, considering.

i thought that was some kind of electrical tape

I couldn't be that guy - not even the performer. I'd be arguing with Filoni about the best way to wrap it all.

I don't think any of the troopers are for zombies - Thrawn would want a force he can't control on his ship. However, I do believe we will be seeing a lot of resurrections. They are loading something from catacombs on the the ship - catacombs are burial sites.

I think Filoni is bringing back the Nightsisters.

 

[BabyAckbar]

Are Dathomirians human?

I had thought that Ventress and the Nightsisters were just human like.

And I had thought that Elsbeth wasn't a Dathomirian but human heiress who had somehow fallen in with the Nightsister in her youth. Or is Elsbeth not human?

 

[BabyAckbar]

Also, I think next weeks episodes might be a difficult watch. Filoni may not have delivered a satisfactory reunion scene but the man knows how to craft a death and I think a few Perfills are going horribly.

 

[Snaketibe]

I was interrupted when scrolling the page and when I looked back to the screen your post was on the screen. I assume (like the Nightsisters) that the thread of Fate put me there for a reason.

Ahsoka didn't drown because she wasn't in the water long enough to drown because she had been in the World Between Worlds.

That was a very large portion of the episode. How did you miss it?

You mention "stretching credibility"? Space wizards and robots and teddy bears. A giant slug is the big name is organised crime. Armoured Soldiers that die with one shoot and can be knocked out with a punch. But a space whale is going too far?

And then the hogwash about misandry. No one said men can't use the Force in this new galaxy. That is nowhere in the episode. And the drivel about the woman diving in to rescue Ahsoka - maybe she was just the better swimmer. Maybe the goosed a coin. Maybe the other guy can't swim.

This fear of women is just bizarre. I don't understand how it all came about.

There is actually quite a bit of debate about what exactly happened to Ahsoka after falling off the cliff, not least because it absolutely is not explained in the episode. Did she dream her visit to what we presume was the World Between Worlds? Was she hallucinating? Having a Force vision? Or was she actually there? We don't know. If she was actually there, how did this happen, since it certainly wasn't via the same method Ezra used in 'Rebels'? Until this is definitively answered by Filoni, my observation is valid; we don't know how long she spent underwater.

As far as stretching credulity, every work of fiction asks us to suspend our disbelief to a greater or lesser extent. The better the work, the more easily this is achieved. However, once the 'rules' of the fictional world / universe and its canon have been well established over a period of several decades, anything that's wildly different or greatly deviates from that requires extra skill and talent on the part of the creators to bring their audience along with them for the ride or risk them crashing out of the experience. Since we have never seen anything even remotely similar to the hyperspace whales in any of the live action Star Wars canon (creatures that float in the air rather than fly, as though possessing built-in natural repulsorlifts, which can also somehow 'fly' though the vacuum of space under their own power, and which can also access and traverse hyperspace 'naturally'), once again my observation is an entirely valid one. Additionally, and as I made very clear in my post, the views I was expressing about the episodes were my own opinions and thoughts on them. I'm allowed to do that, just as you're allowed to hold different opinions. However, observe that I don't do it by making patronising or insulting comments (you generously implied that I'm a misogynist without knowing the first thing about me) whose sole purpose can only be an attempt to demean or belittle a differing view point. I have no problem with you holding a different opinion to mine or in expressing that, but it would be nice if you extended the same courtesy to me that I am extending to you, and not simply assume that just because you don't agree with me that you must be correct and have a right to patronise and insult me.

I would also ask that if you are going to criticise something that I wrote, that you do in fact criticise what I actually wrote and not something that I didn't. I never claimed there was anything about men not being able to use the Force in this episode. What I actually said was that:

'the rumours about them 'killing' the Force and shifting the action to the other galaxy where only women can wield the Force's replacement (unless you're a villain, in which case men can... of course [must smash that nasty imaginary patriarchy with a load of hateful misandry]), sounds only too plausible...'

That would be 'rumours', not episodic content. And those rumours are currently making the rounds in alleged leaks from inside Disney / Lucasfilm, regardless of whether or not you are aware of them. Kathleen Kennedy's Lucasfilm has by this point got a very long and unpleasant history of misandry, and if you are not aware of it then you haven't been paying attention. Of course a woman could save another drowning person, but when your entire show comprises an unrealistic and wholly disproportionate number of women in all positions of power, in all major hero roles, and in which all of the adult men are relegated to either very secondary characters or villains (we can hardly count Ezra in the first 6 episodes since he's barely been in them), then I think we can safely say we're starting to see a pattern.

And for you to conclude that pointing out yet more Lucasfilm / KK misandry somehow equates to (by implication me having) a 'fear of women' is as insulting as it is wholly inaccurate. I hate bigotry in all its forms, including both misogyny and misandry. Star Wars, whilst predominantly a male brand when it comes to the toys, always was made for everyone when George was in charge of it. KK however pinned her colours firmly to the mast with her 'The Force is Female' nonsense, and she has successfully transformed a multi-billion dollar IP into a multi-million dollar one as the audience has been driven away in their droves (the latest evidence? The ratings for 'Ahsoka' are in and in its first 6 days it performed worse than 'The Book of Boba Fett', 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' and 'The Mandalorian' season 3).

 

[Twin30mm]

Whilst 'misandry' may be a strong word (depending on your viewpoint), I don't think anyone can deny the franchise has been infiltrated by an overt feminist agenda.
If it wasn't obvious before, the upcoming 'The Acolyte' will more than drive that point home.

For good or bad, Star Wars has always been a predominately boys brand, and Disney allegedly purchased Star Wars to get a slice of that lucrative boys market.
Yet, they thought it would make brilliant business sense to spurn the traditional male fanbase and try to turn it into a more female-centric brand.
A truly bizarre decision.

That decision (amongst others) is now bearing fruit. Viewing figures are in the toilet and the latest rumour is that the Golden Goose of merchandising is now egg-bound.
SW merchandising sales have allegedly dropped an eye-watering 65% under Disneys stewardship.

As for Ep6. It was OK.
Great effects and music.
Thrawn was a bit cosplay. His hairpiece was truly awful, I couldn't take my eyes off the ******* thing on his head.
Sabine and Ezras reunion was strangely underwhelming.
Ray Stevenson RIP is still the best thing in it.
Still feels like a two hour movie script, stretched over six hours (which to be fair, it probably is).

 

[Cazza]

Still not getting the mysandry stuff at all. I'm part of the traditional male fanbase and don't feel spurned at all. I think they definitely want more girls getting into SW, so there are way more women in prominent roles now, which is surely a good thing? It's great to see loads of girls dressing up as Rey for World Book Day every year- a nice alternative to Hermione! With Ashoka, we all knew it would be female heavy, due to the Rebels storyline, created by Dave Filoni (a man!). This story is his baby and I don't believe for a moment that he has mysandry in his agenda, neither do I believe any of the KK conspiracy theories, where she waterboarded him into doing it.
Just for reference, the leads in the SW TV shows:
Mando 1- male
Mando 2- male
Mando 3- male
BBF- male
Obi-wan- male
Andor- male
Ashoka- female

 

[Cazza]

Whilst 'misandry' may be a strong word (depending on your viewpoint), I don't think anyone can deny the franchise has been infiltrated by an overt feminist agenda.
If it wasn't obvious before, the upcoming 'The Acolyte' will more than drive that point home.

For good or bad, Star Wars has always been a predominately boys brand, and Disney allegedly purchased Star Wars to get a slice of that lucrative boys market.
Yet, they thought it would make brilliant business sense to spurn the traditional male fanbase and try to turn it into a more female-centric brand.
A truly bizarre decision.

That decision (amongst others) is now bearing fruit. Viewing figures are in the toilet and the latest rumour is that the Golden Goose of merchandising is now egg-bound.
SW merchandising sales have allegedly dropped an eye-watering 65% under Disneys stewardship.

As for Ep6. It was OK.
Great effects and music.
Thrawn was a bit cosplay. His hairpiece was truly awful, I couldn't take my eyes off the ******* thing on his head.
Sabine and Ezras reunion was strangely underwhelming.
Ray Stevenson RIP is still the best thing in it.
Still feels like a two hour movie script, stretched over six hours (which to be fair, it probably is).

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Love the comparison pic- he's clearly hit his 40's

 

[Twin30mm]

Love the comparison pic- he's clearly hit his 40's

Yeah, it did make me laugh.
Think he's supposed to be in 60s isn't he?
If so, I think we can forgive him a Dad bod at this point

As for the 'female agenda' thing, I personally have nothing against prominent female roles.
The Ahsoka series has its flaws. Having prominent female roles is NOT one of them.

I'm just questioning the business decision of pushing female characters to the forefront (usually at the expense of legacy male characters), of an IP that traditionally appealed to a male audience.

The piles of Holdo, Tico, Reva and Rey figures currently warming pegs, should be an indicator that all is not well.

My two nephews love SW.
From what I can see, none of the female characters resonate with them. They naturally gravitate towards the male characters (Poe and Anakin respectively) and the respective toys.

Disney can push the female characters all they want, it wont appeal to boys (the main audience demographic).
Not misogyny, just the way of the world.

 

[Snaketibe]

Still not getting the mysandry stuff at all. I'm part of the traditional male fanbase and don't feel spurned at all. I think they definitely want more girls getting into SW, so there are way more women in prominent roles now, which is surely a good thing? It's great to see loads of girls dressing up as Rey for World Book Day every year- a nice alternative to Hermione! With Ashoka, we all knew it would be female heavy, due to the Rebels storyline, created by Dave Filoni (a man!). This story is his baby and I don't believe for a moment that he has mysandry in his agenda, neither do I believe any of the KK conspiracy theories, where she waterboarded him into doing it.
Just for reference, the leads in the SW TV shows:
Mando 1- male
Mando 2- male
Mando 3- male
BBF- male
Obi-wan- male
Andor- male
Ashoka- female

It's not the main characters that are the issue, it's what they do to them, although if we're doing a count:

The Farce Awakens - female
Rogue One - female
The Last Insult - female
Solo - male
The Rise of Palpatine - female

The problem stems from how they treat each gender's characters. Rey for example was instantly brilliant at everything; she could fly the Falcon at the first attempt, she was superb with a lightsaber the very first time she used one defeating the far more experienced and trained Kylo, and then ludicrously, also Luke at the first attempt too. She could wield the Force without a single second of training right from the word go manipulating Stormtroopers to do her bidding, etc. She had no hero's journey because she didn't need to make one; she was perfect straight out of the box.

Finn by contrast was treated pretty shabbily (as was poor John Boyega by Disney). He started out mostly OK in TFA, but was then instantly turned into a coward, relegated to a side character and sent on a pointless side-quest in TLJ, just so he could be upstaged by the phenomenally irritating Rose Tico. Poe Dameron likewise started reasonably well, only to be treated like an utter imbecile and insulted to boot by the god-awful Holdo, even though he was in the right.

Luke was so despised by KK she wouldn't even have him in TFA until his 'blink and you'll miss it' cameo at the end, and then we all know the disgusting character and actual assassination of him in TLJ, completely reversing and overturning absolutely everything we know about his character prior to that dreadful film.

Han Solo was turned into a deadbeat bad dad and an idiot who isn't even competent enough to hang onto his own spaceship, before being killed off in TFA.

Lando was held in such utter contempt they didn't even bother including him in the first 2 films, and only wheeled him out for the 3rd one to appease angry fans when they realised they'd done away with Luke and Han.

By all accounts, KK's main focus seems to have been on the sequel trilogy and her self-insert, the amazing wonder Rey, and hence Rogue One and Solo (with another pair of self-insert petite, white brunette leading ladies) were farmed out to others who were more or less left to their own devices (look at how far Lord and Miller progressed on Solo before their work was noticed, deemed unsatisfactory, and Ron Howard brought in). Rogue One was excellent (the only truly good SW film Disney have made, IMHO, albeit a film definitely saved in the edit by all accounts) and is a great example of a strong, likeable female lead character that works well and isn't an irritating Mary Sue. That film was so good we didn't even notice or care at the time that none of the heroes, but all of the villains were white men. With hindsight, KK's influence on the casting is obvious. Solo however worked much less well, in part doubtless due to the troubled production issues, but also idiotic choices like making Phoebe Waller Bridge into a super-annoying robot to upstage Han.

As for the TV stuff, Jon Favreau was reportedly initially left to his own devices for Mando, and succeeded admirably for 2 seasons, even thrilling fans with the return of Luke Skywalker as a hero (something KK and her crowd utterly despised by all accounts. They famously even had a picture of Luke with a red 'X' drawn across his face in the Lucasfilm offices).

Jon included the brilliant Cara Dune, another excellent, believable and likeable female character that the fans quickly embraced. But Gina Carano was right-wing, and hence had to go as she didn't fit KK's woke agenda or her ******** narrative about fans hating strong female characters (which has never been true), and so they did a hatchet job on poor Gina, seriously slandering her into the process and lying that she was transphobic when she very clearly was not. KK's jealousy of Favreau's success didn't stop there however, since, having crippled the story Jon had prepared beyond season 2 of Mando by removing Gina Carano, the 'Rangers of the New Republic' show that was to star Gina had to be canned, and Mando season 3 and The Book of Boba Fett both needed drastic overhauling, resulting in the messes we were given. Filoni also seems to have been given far more input / control over Mando season 3, which is why we saw Mando pushed aside in his own show and Bo Katan elevated in his place. Paz Viszla (the character played by Favreau) was even killed off, a decision viewed by many as Favreau's coded way of saying he lost his battle to save Star Wars.

The Obi-Wan Kenobi show was originally due to centre on Obi-Wan, Anakin/Vader and a threat to Luke, however KK's Lucasfilm apparently deemed this far too male, and so they invented the unlikeable character of Reva (and bated the fans by calling them racists ahead of the show even airing into the bargain!) and switched Luke to Leia, a move which made no sense at all. Obi-Wan was of course also character assassinated, turning him into weak and feeble loser who's buried his lightsaber and can barely even use the Force any longer. His one and only remaining purpose in life, to watch over and protect Luke, is happily tossed aside when he is ludicrously asked by Bail Organa to track down his missing daughter Leia (because a member of the Alderaan Royal Family would have no security guards of his own to competently protect or track down his kidnapped daughter). And to make matters worse, they made Leia into a super-annoying miniature girl-boss... because of course they did.

Elsewhere, Warwick Davies wasted his time in the 'Willow' TV series, where he too was relegated to a poor secondary character in his own show, and was upstaged by all the brilliant, capable and competent girl-bosses surrounding him (the other male characters featured were all weak and or idiots and or killed off). That show was so dreadful, after its piss-poor ratings Disney removed it from Disney+ as a tax write-off.

And then we come to the 'Indiana Jones and the Dire Dysentery' debacle. KK was so hellbent on destroying Indy's character, portraying him as a weak and feeble old man upstaged at every turn by yet another self-insert in the shape of the phenomenally annoying Phoebe Waller-Bridge's character, multiple very credible sources report that for the longest time KK wanted to kill off Indy and have Phoebe Waller-Bridge's character actually BECOME Indiana Jones. KK is even on record after the film was released, still insisting that Phoebe could yet take over the role.... except that the film was an atomic bomb, which is estimated to lose Disney somewhere in the region of $300 million and hence (thank god) there will be no further Indy with Phoebe.

To sum up, most of the cinema-going and TV watching audience (myself included) have no problem with female lead characters (some of my very favourite film and TV characters are female - Ripley, Sarah Connor, Beatrix Kiddo, Leia, Ahsoka) or in equality. But in KK's world she doesn't want equality; women must always be better than men, who themselves must be torn down and put in their place. She did it with Luke, Han, Finn, Poe, Lando, Obi-Wan, Mando, Willow and Indy. Yes, she absolutely is a misandrist.

 

[Cazza]

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I don't believe for one moment that KK hates Luke and sabotaged him and the other leading males because of some mysandrist agenda. There's so much conspiracy theory stuff flying around and downright unpleasant, nasty, completely fabricated, hearsay stuff from a bunch of people who don't like the choices Disney have made. A few years ago, i used to find myself watching this sort of stuff on Youtube, but realised that literally none of it was based in substantiated facts and never, ever came true. There's probably a little truth here and there, but most of it seems to be exaggerated or just plain old make believe to me. There's very little to no proper, factual evidence about most of this stuff.

I respect that some people don't like the choices Disney (absolutely not just KK) have made (I don't like some, myself), but what I don't like is the mega-toxic stuff, that is just blatantly made up.

Got a feeling we'll never agree on this, Jeremy!

 

[Snaketibe]

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I don't believe for one moment that KK hates Luke and sabotaged him and the other leading males because of some mysandrist agenda. There's so much conspiracy theory stuff flying around and downright unpleasant, nasty, completely fabricated, hearsay stuff from a bunch of people who don't like the choices Disney have made. A few years ago, i used to find myself watching this sort of stuff on Youtube, but realised that literally none of it was based in substantiated facts and never, ever came true. There's probably a little truth here and there, but most of it seems to be exaggerated or just plain old make believe to me. There's very little to no proper, factual evidence about most of this stuff.

I respect that some people don't like the choices Disney (absolutely not just KK) have made (I don't like some, myself), but what I don't like is the mega-toxic stuff, that is just blatantly made up.

Got a feeling we'll never agree on this, Jeremy!

Thanks for the reply, and I agree, we probably won't ever agree on this Andy, but I still enjoy talking about it . And of course, it's also nice to discuss / debate something slightly controversial / contentious, with someone who doesn't agree with you, without either side resorting to name calling or insults! Thank you sir. You are, as ever, a complete gentleman!

 

[Cazza]

Likewise!

 

[Pomse2001]

No, they've been stranded in this other galaxy all those years.

I think I have to see the last episode of rebels again

 

[welshwookie]

Quite an enjoyable episode, pace could have been a bit quicker in parts, but faster than some episodes.

 

[Capetown]

I found it predictable, seeing OT plot points rehashed again. Debris field = Asteroid Field, Little turtle people = Ewoks.

Also I don't really follow Thrawn's decision making, but that may be me not being the military genius he reportedly is.

Those witches are also not scary at all.

 

[Mini99]

Ummmmmm

 

[Twin30mm]

What's with Disney's SW male protagonists rejecting their lightsabres??

I'm confused....
Is it some sort of Freudian subliminal message we're getting here?
Could it be the phallic symbol that KK wants us to spurn?
Has my dinkle been consigned to the dustbin of history?
Does it mean I have to give up golf and take up knitting?
Am I talking utter bollocks?
Who cares anymore.....

Harrumph!

Roll on Skeleton Crew The Acolyte Andor S2