AFA graded palitoy vinyl cape jawa
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mr_palitoy
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Joe said:mr_palitoy said:I told you so.
Jason
I bet you waited all night to say that Jason :lol:
Still waiting to hear from some of the more vocal naysayers, they've been strangely absent from this thread so far.
Jason
CRAZYHAZY
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Simply stunning makes me proud to be British
Agree with frank ukg would have given it a homely feel but can see thereason behind the afa choice
Agree with frank ukg would have given it a homely feel but can see thereason behind the afa choice
mr_palitoy
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CRAZYHAZY said:Simply stunning makes me proud to be British
Agree with frank ukg would have given it a homely feel but can see thereason behind the afa choice
The choice was even simpler than that, the rest of Richard's palitoys are AFA graded, so why would he choose to go with UKG with one of them?
Jason
mr_palitoy said:I told you so.
Still waiting to hear from some of the more vocal naysayers, they've been strangely absent from this thread so far.
Jason
I'm not sure if you consider me in that group or not based on the previous thread, but since you want to hear from us, then sure.
There have been too many times where we've just accepted things and then have found them to be false. As Joe mentioned because of the source, the integrity of these pieces still fall into question.
Even with an AFA grade ,it still isn't the end all be all. Like I mentioned above I'm guessing this went through Tom and I'd love to see the comments on the grading report. Before a few years ago that would have been good enough, but if this has similar comments like the Yakface mailer, then I wouldn't call it 100% fact.
That's my own opinion though and it is up to everyone to believe what they want. I think we're closer to proving the legitimacy, but it depends on that report when it comes in, at least to me.
I guess I'm always the skeptic but there's too many times when people have been burned in the past, so yes, I think pieces like this should be scrutinized.
Honestly, I hope everything turns out to be correct. I don't doubt that the possibility is there where we have others that surfaced like the Meccano VCJ a few years ago, but yes, I will question it.
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And there's the one!
I totally understand people being sceptical about this item but for me just having one as a child made me feel deep down that it had to exist. Sure it could have been Kenner, I never kept the card to know for sure and it sounds like someone else who had one in the UK did have a Kenner one so there's always that possibility. The thing is I did keep my card backs for some time before they were cut up to send off for my Boba Fett and I just don't ever even remember seeing a Kenner logo until many years after I stopped collecting and got interested again. I didn't even realise there was a pin head Han until several years ago as I only had a large head one on my 12 back. That giant Palitoy logo is well and truly burned into my mind from childhood.
Let's wait and see what comes back from the report although I'm pretty sure this item would have been very carefully scrutinised due to the fact that they would have never had one through the AFA doors.
The end of the day I'm not all that bothered by people being unsure all these years as one hadn't been truly verified but I've had my memories of mine........it would be good to lay this all to rest though!
I totally understand people being sceptical about this item but for me just having one as a child made me feel deep down that it had to exist. Sure it could have been Kenner, I never kept the card to know for sure and it sounds like someone else who had one in the UK did have a Kenner one so there's always that possibility. The thing is I did keep my card backs for some time before they were cut up to send off for my Boba Fett and I just don't ever even remember seeing a Kenner logo until many years after I stopped collecting and got interested again. I didn't even realise there was a pin head Han until several years ago as I only had a large head one on my 12 back. That giant Palitoy logo is well and truly burned into my mind from childhood.
Let's wait and see what comes back from the report although I'm pretty sure this item would have been very carefully scrutinised due to the fact that they would have never had one through the AFA doors.
The end of the day I'm not all that bothered by people being unsure all these years as one hadn't been truly verified but I've had my memories of mine........it would be good to lay this all to rest though!
Palitoyman
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Hi Guys, thanks for all the comments, will post a more detailed response etc later today.
Cheers
Cheers
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I was one of the naysayers,and i will now eat a Jawa plus the cardback as promised
I am acutally glad this debate has been settled,and glad that i have been proved wrong.The doubt was put into my mind because two of the dodgiest people in this hobby both owned one :roll: Its a shame this had to happen,but people have to understand that without concrete proof that these things will be a mystery.I for one wouldnt beleive a word either of those dodgy guys ever said.
So there ya go,ill even accept a Jawa cardback from someone,rip it up and smoke it via one of my roll ups Dont smoke a pipe,so thats out of the question.
Hang on-AFA??? hmmm,since when have they been THE authority
Congrats Jason and Richard.
Now for the Palitoy Blue Snag
I am acutally glad this debate has been settled,and glad that i have been proved wrong.The doubt was put into my mind because two of the dodgiest people in this hobby both owned one :roll: Its a shame this had to happen,but people have to understand that without concrete proof that these things will be a mystery.I for one wouldnt beleive a word either of those dodgy guys ever said.
So there ya go,ill even accept a Jawa cardback from someone,rip it up and smoke it via one of my roll ups
Dont smoke a pipe,so thats out of the question.Hang on-AFA??? hmmm,since when have they been THE authority
Congrats Jason and Richard.
Now for the Palitoy Blue Snag
Lee Gregory
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Heard about this the other day,massive congrats to the owner,cos lets face it,it's always a risk shipping overseas and back to the AFA.
I honestly think they must have been a salesman sample or the like with so few ever seen. Like with most things Palitoy,such a shame that facts can't really be verified by any previous employees or company executives ect
Still massive news though and puts the story to bed for me
I honestly think they must have been a salesman sample or the like with so few ever seen. Like with most things Palitoy,such a shame that facts can't really be verified by any previous employees or company executives ect
Still massive news though and puts the story to bed for me
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Damn scary putting that into a box to go round trip to the USA!! :shock:
Fantastic item and a great idea getting it graded to remove all possibilty of doubt about its past.
Chalk up another one for the Archives
Fantastic item and a great idea getting it graded to remove all possibilty of doubt about its past.
Chalk up another one for the Archives
mr_palitoy
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Lee Gregory said:
My opened example has a Zodiac sticker on it indicating it was shop sold.
Jason
mr_palitoy
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I broke the story on rebelscum last night:-
http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1096312/
The interesting thing to come out of that thread is that the source of the figure has been matched to this one which has been doing the rounds for several years.
Many people thought this card to be a fake, clearly AFA think not.
Ungraded:-
Graded:-
cheers Jason
http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1096312/
The interesting thing to come out of that thread is that the source of the figure has been matched to this one which has been doing the rounds for several years.
Many people thought this card to be a fake, clearly AFA think not.
Ungraded:-
Graded:-
cheers Jason
Palifan
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So after reading this thread that jason supplied - http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1096312/
does anyone else have a palitoy 12 back card with the hole punch in the same place? The far left side of the VC one lines up with the far left of the S in Star Wars logo. I've got a reseal of the other 2 12 back Jawa buble types so I'll take a look at those.
It's the tread that keeps giving!
does anyone else have a palitoy 12 back card with the hole punch in the same place? The far left side of the VC one lines up with the far left of the S in Star Wars logo. I've got a reseal of the other 2 12 back Jawa buble types so I'll take a look at those.
It's the tread that keeps giving!
mr_palitoy
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Palifan said:So after reading this thread that jason supplied - http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1096312/
does anyone else have a palitoy 12 back card with the hole punch in the same place? The far left side of the VC one lines up with the far left of the S in Star Wars logo. I've got a reseal of the other 2 12 back Jawa buble types so I'll take a look at those.
It's the tread that keeps giving!
Have had a look on the palitoy jawas on google images and the vc ones on here and I can't see any pattern with hole punch size and placement.
:?:
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On looking at google images myself i can see your point Jason, infact quite a few cloth capes (maybe most of them), have the same hole punch placement. Not quite sure what the comment from RS meant then unless that person can shed some light. I think the only other way you might possibly be able to tell if it's a VC card back is to look at where the damage from the bubble being removed is. I've noticed that the VC bubble seems to always end below the yellow backing behind where the figure is attached. On the cloth ones it's either at the very top where the black line is or above that point. Not really a total solid way to judge something but it does give you an indication like those NZ cards with the large bubbles that have turned up recently.
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Hi all, thanks for all your comments, much appreciated and also to Jason who has sorted out the threads, photo etc and has updated his excellent Palitoy web page.
I have told the story to my close collecting friends but basically came across the figure by chance and thankfully was in a position to buy it, we both agreed a price and it was sorted. I would like to add that the guy I bought the piece from is a top bloke and we have traded figures over the past couple of years, also that I won't be revealing his identity on the forum, but for me the most important news is that the figure has been authenticated by AFA.
I tried not to think about sending the figure to AFA too much and the risks involved with regard to what I paid for it, so just did it, collectors that know me know that its just my way, the word crazy and accountant are words that are generally not used in the same breath!!!!
With regard to the COA, I received the Jawa back today and there wasn't one with the figure, I didn't request one, for some stupid reason, I was just hoping that the figure would get an official grade, thankfully and to my delight it did!!!
I have contacted Tom Derby today requesting a COA and will hopefully be able to acquire one, who knows, I would welcome any feedback on this matter, even though the figure is genuine I feel that a COA would be the icing on the cake.
I have been collecting for some years and have just completed my Palitoy 12 and 20 Back sets, which are all AFA graded, and have obviously had some great help and advice along the way, people who know everything about Palitoy 12 backs etc, I am in touch with these guys a lot and they have been fantastic, but like any collector I'm still learning!!!
I mentioned to Jason that I will get some more photo's of the Jawa and my collection sorted in the next week or so.
Once again thanks for alll of your positive feedback.
Rich
I have told the story to my close collecting friends but basically came across the figure by chance and thankfully was in a position to buy it, we both agreed a price and it was sorted. I would like to add that the guy I bought the piece from is a top bloke and we have traded figures over the past couple of years, also that I won't be revealing his identity on the forum, but for me the most important news is that the figure has been authenticated by AFA.
I tried not to think about sending the figure to AFA too much and the risks involved with regard to what I paid for it, so just did it, collectors that know me know that its just my way, the word crazy and accountant are words that are generally not used in the same breath!!!!
With regard to the COA, I received the Jawa back today and there wasn't one with the figure, I didn't request one, for some stupid reason, I was just hoping that the figure would get an official grade, thankfully and to my delight it did!!!
I have contacted Tom Derby today requesting a COA and will hopefully be able to acquire one, who knows, I would welcome any feedback on this matter, even though the figure is genuine I feel that a COA would be the icing on the cake.
I have been collecting for some years and have just completed my Palitoy 12 and 20 Back sets, which are all AFA graded, and have obviously had some great help and advice along the way, people who know everything about Palitoy 12 backs etc, I am in touch with these guys a lot and they have been fantastic, but like any collector I'm still learning!!!
I mentioned to Jason that I will get some more photo's of the Jawa and my collection sorted in the next week or so.
Once again thanks for alll of your positive feedback.
Rich
Richard - one of my biggest beefs with AFA is that they do not include any information on the actual grading with the figures when they send them back. However you can pay for a grading report which means they do make notes while grading but they just charge you to see how they scored/graded/inspected your own figures. Bit cheeky but I should imagine that you will be able to find out some more information through this grading report.
As for Tom and the request for the CIB COA - I think it would be good to get one and have the COA stay with the figure due to the fact that this is the only graded one out there that is now going to become THE figure that confirmed they existed. After all people get COA's with run of the mill figures like loose Kenner Vinyl caped Jawa's for christs sake
As for Tom and the request for the CIB COA - I think it would be good to get one and have the COA stay with the figure due to the fact that this is the only graded one out there that is now going to become THE figure that confirmed they existed. After all people get COA's with run of the mill figures like loose Kenner Vinyl caped Jawa's for christs sake
Frunkstar
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mr_palitoy said:CRAZYHAZY said:Simply stunning makes me proud to be British
Agree with frank ukg would have given it a homely feel but can see thereason behind the afa choice
The choice was even simpler than that, the rest of Richard's palitoys are AFA graded, so why would he choose to go with UKG with one of them?
Jason
Fair point, dam shame though.
