whats the deal with selling toytoni's now then?

[pizzathehutt]

ive noticed a few toytonis for sale in the selling thread and im wondering what everyones thoughts are on it?
and im not pointing the finger at the seller one bit as he has quite clearly stated that they are toytonis.

but surely these are along the same lines as haveing repro weapons in circulation and we all know thats not wanted in the hobbie?

im not saying the figure should be unboxed and the card and bubble burnt but having these about is a bit dodgy dont we think?

 

[_Lee_]

I dont see any problem as long as they are disclosed as being such. I myself can see them becoming as popular as bootlegs in the future, which may be a bold statement to make. There is history behind them (although a dodgy history) but it is now part of vintage folklore. They are vintage cards and bubbles in many cases and they do still appeal to some collectors. They are not factory sealed though, and were sealed at a later date as we all know. They are not comparable to repros as they are made using original parts (again in many cases as bubble theory is still open to speculation) and the history behind them is available for anyone to see.

The seller in the vintage thread is doing nothing wrong, and is fully disclosing that they are Toy Toni pieces. Many sell on Ebay with the discosure being stated, and i see nothing wrong with them being sold on. Whether a seller sells them here or Ebay, its the same thing. Jason sold all of his TT on Ebay so there is still demand. They do still make nice display pieces, especially as many are graded and come in an acrilyc case. As i said, whether they sell here, Ebay or god knows where as long as disclosure is stated there is no problem.

Just my 10p on it

 

[Joe]

I've posted pretty much the same thing in Aaron's for sale thread but thought I'd post it here to:

Members are more than welcome to sell fully disclosed Toni's here if they wish. The information on the Toni scam is pretty much all over this forum and I'd say the majority of members are more than aware of the situation (if they aren't they can always ask). As long as they are highlighted as Toni's then it's up to members to decide if they want to buy them or not.

I think we all have to remember that people like Aaron and Jason (who sold all his Toni's on ebay if you remember) are just trying to recoup some hard earned money. If there is a market out there for Toni's then they will sell, if not then they won't but it's asking a lot for people to just bin them after spending hundreds of pounds on them.

BTW: Thanks for starting a thread here instead of continuing in the classifieds thread, if possible try to start a discussion in this section first in the future to avoid upsetting anyone!

 

[mr_palitoy]

What's been said ^^^ plus:-

I starting allowing the sale of declared Tonis on my facebook group several months ago, and sold my AFA 90 run on ebay back in May
with full disclosure. I don't think Tonis technically fall foul of ebays no reproductions rule as they are all vintage components, I could be
wrong though.

Tonis are going to be with us forever and there are thousands of them. We need a sensible way of dealing with them and marking
them as Tonis so a buyer knows is the best way forwards.

The AFA/UKG graded ones are more of a problem, because a lot of buyers still think they are good despite any Toni disclaimers on
the listings, because it's AFA graded, they know what they are doing, right? If you look at ebay listings which arent declared, the AFA
graded ones have the fact they are AFA graded ramped up more often than not.

AFA/UKG need to act now to clean this mess up and mark their Tonis in their online databases so that a warning comes up when you
do serial number verification on the affected pieces. They also need to offer a free recasing service and grading on ungraded Tonis
going forwards as Q-grade or similar.

cheers Jason

 

[Mr-shifter]

Absolutely agree. When I sold my Toni's I did it with full disclosure. Got a fair price for them based on what they are too.

Selling known TT's that are undisclosed is inexcusable. Its as bad as selling repro. You are deceiving the other party into thinking that they are getting something they are not.

Key thing is to make sure you do your homework. TTs are not easy things to hide if you know the MOCS affected. Knowledge is power!

 

[Jediknight3263827]

you guys are honest because you love the vintage and yes you have declared what it is but what if then someone buys it and then trys to pass it on as legit. i say open it and sell the loosie to me cheap :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[jedisearcher]

Any collector who doesn't know about the TT situation by now is pretty much uneducatable. Information is everywhere.

Yes sellers should disclose, but buyers should try hard to stay informed, esp. if they are dumping a lot of cash on an item. Where else in your life do you spend a lot of cash without checking what you're buying?

 

[Michael Sith]

Marking them would work, TT logo on the back of the card, that way it would still display fine, but be an extra safety measure, not as you say the case with AFA examples though.
The fact that full disclosure is evident, is a good thing, and as has been said, there is a wealth of information out there now.