Walrusman (Made In Spain Variant) £16 + Shipping

[Discobob83]

It will come with a vintage blaster but I'm not sure which is the correct blaster variant or whether I have it.

Shipping is £2.50 1st Recorded in UK. £6 ISF in Europe, £9 Airsure WW.

Best Wishes,

-J

 

[olisuds]

I'd say a Tri Logo variant? Walrusman doesn't have any variantions unique to PBP that I know of.

There is a Walrusman with a light green head but I think that can be found on both Meccano and PBP cards

Bump

 

[Discobob83]

I'd say a Tri Logo variant? Walrusman doesn't have any variantions unique to PBP that I know of.

There is a Walrusman with a light green head but I think that can be found on both Meccano and PBP cards

Bump

Hi Olisuds,

Personally I wasn't sure, but I asked on this board and on TIG and was directed to this thread:
http://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7572&hilit=wally&start=30

On page Three:

Light green, with white tusks with no COO or just the 1 is PBP/tri. Pic #3 and #5
Dark green, with white tusks with no COO or just the 1 is PBP. Pic #3 and #5
Light green, with pink tusks, with remnants of COO or NO coo at all is a Meccano/PBP. Pic #3 & #4
Dark green, with pink tusks, with remnants of COO or No coo at all is a Meccano/Tri. Pic #3 and #4
Dark green, with pink tusks, with COO #5 = Palitoy

This was the best info I could find. Is this wrong?

Appreciate any help/advice.

Best Wishes,

Jeremy

 

[edd_jedi]

I've definitely heard of a PBP one before.

 

[olisuds]

No worries Jeremy there is a bit of a craze to label everything PBP these days when its just a standard tri logo variant. Everyone does it though. I don't think even the COO experts agree.

My personal thoughts are that if there are no significantly unique distinctions that can be agreed on then collectors are clutching at straws to label it a unique PBP variant. There were so many moulds used during each figures production with very slight differences or small marks here and there - it would be almost impossible to match such a small difference up to a specific manufacturer.

At least that my opinion - I'm sure plenty will disagree Rest assured i'm sure you can get away with calling it anything you like, but if your going to call it PBP then do yourself a favour and put the price up - there seems to be a premium on them at the moment.

Yes I've seen Wolff's chart. He is the COO expert, but it was done a while ago.

A few months ago on rebelscum I asked a question about variants unique to PBP

http://threads.rebelscum.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=4468442&fpart=1&PHPSESSID=

Wolff's response was

Greedo, Hammerhead, snaggletooth & Walrus man - with brighter colours
All are mainly Trilogo variants! No matter what people tell...no color and no coo from these characters is unique to spain!

 

[Joe]

My 2P-

I think the term PBP comes into play because PBP produced the figures, or at least that's the general opinion. (There is no proof of what Spain produced but it's a safe bet because they were involved in actually producing figures not just packaging them from Asia)

Made in Spain Kenner cards contain these figures, Palitoy cards contain these figures (which Spain supplied the figures for) etc etc. PBP might not mean it definitely came out on a PBP card.

The cantina aliens turned into a reissue situation where they were kinda axed from intended production then brought back for some reason towards the end of the line, I think this decision led to them being produced close to the countries that needed a supply of them (All of Europe) which also explains the lack of COO (there are no made in Spain COO's) and the only place figures seem to have been produced in Europe was : SPAIN! (Home of PBP/Poch/GMJ - so the name kinda works for these variants)

This is also akin to Made in Mexico figures on Kenner cards being called Ledy- These are just Spanish produced figures on Pal/Tri/Kenner cards being called PBP

 

[Discobob83]

That's interesting. Haven't spoken to Wolff in ages (not since his wedding I don't think.) Is he still about on forums?

I don't want to mislabel it, but if I just call it Tri-Logo, Tri-Logo includes several other variants if I understand correctly? Maybe I should call it Tri-Logo Dark-Limbed variant or something?

As regards putting the price up; there hasn't been any interest at the current price so far to be honest.

No worries Jeremy there is a bit of a craze to label everything PBP these days when its just a standard tri logo variant. Everyone does it though. I don't think even the COO experts agree.

My personal thoughts are that if there are no significantly unique distinctions that can be agreed on then collectors are clutching at straws to label it a unique PBP variant. There were so many moulds used during each figures production with very slight differences or small marks here and there - it would be almost impossible to match such a small difference up to a specific manufacturer.

At least that my opinion - I'm sure plenty will disagree Rest assured i'm sure you can get away with calling it anything you like, but if your going to call it PBP then do yourself a favour and put the price up - there seems to be a premium on them at the moment.

Yes I've seen Wolff's chart. He is the COO expert, but it was done a while ago.

A few months ago on rebelscum I asked a question about variants unique to PBP

http://threads.rebelscum.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=4468442&fpart=1&PHPSESSID=

Wolff's response was

Greedo, Hammerhead, snaggletooth & Walrus man - with brighter colours
All are mainly Trilogo variants! No matter what people tell...no color and no coo from these characters is unique to spain!

 

[Discobob83]

Hey Joe,

Thanks for the input. That's interesting and makes total sense. So should I label it as 'Made In Spain'? Or Just 'Tri-Logo'? (Or something else?)

-J

My 2P-

I think the term PBP comes into play because PBP produced the figures, or at least that's the general opinion. (There is no proof of what Spain produced but it's a safe bet because they were involved in actually producing figures not just packaging them from Asia)

Made in Spain Kenner cards contain these figures, Palitoy cards contain these figures (which Spain supplied the figures for) etc etc. PBP might not mean it definitely came out on a PBP card.

The cantina aliens turned into a reissue situation where they were kinda axed from intended production then brought back for some reason towards the end of the line, I think this decision led to them being produced close to the countries that needed a supply of them (All of Europe) which also explains the lack of COO (there are no made in Spain COO's) and the only place figures seem to have been produced in Europe was : SPAIN! (Home of PBP/Poch/GMJ - so the name kinda works for these variants)

This is also akin to Made in Mexico figures on Kenner cards being called Ledy- These are just Spanish produced figures on Pal/Tri/Kenner cards being called PBP

 

[Joe]

I would personally call it a Made in Spain variant yep, it saves all this discussion and in all honesty there are 3-4
possible cards for it to have come from, we will probably never know especially if the COO area on these figures looks the same on the
majority of those cards.

MIS or Made in Spain

 

[olisuds]

Joe, Did PBP produce all figures for MIS and Palitoy? I thought that some were made in Hong Kong and Taiwan and also some were imported from Mexico?

Hey Joe,

Thanks for the input. That's interesting and makes total sense. So should I label it as 'Made In Spain'? Or Just 'Tri-Logo'? (Or something else?)

-J

My 2P-

I think the term PBP comes into play because PBP produced the figures, or at least that's the general opinion. (There is no proof of what Spain produced but it's a safe bet because they were involved in actually producing figures not just packaging them from Asia)

Made in Spain Kenner cards contain these figures, Palitoy cards contain these figures (which Spain supplied the figures for) etc etc. PBP might not mean it definitely came out on a PBP card.

The cantina aliens turned into a reissue situation where they were kinda axed from intended production then brought back for some reason towards the end of the line, I think this decision led to them being produced close to the countries that needed a supply of them (All of Europe) which also explains the lack of COO (there are no made in Spain COO's) and the only place figures seem to have been produced in Europe was : SPAIN! (Home of PBP/Poch/GMJ - so the name kinda works for these variants)

This is also akin to Made in Mexico figures on Kenner cards being called Ledy- These are just Spanish produced figures on Pal/Tri/Kenner cards being called PBP

 

[Joe]

Hey Oli,

I don't know the full list of figures produced by PBP/in Spain 100% so can't really go into that off the top of my head. (Sure we could work it out from google + the forums)

As for production, some say Spain sent their tooling to Mexico others say that Mexico supplied Spain/europe and the USA with figures. I think I believe the latter is true which is why Ledy figures are similar to PBP etc but again - we really don't know, until someone comes forward one day with some documents or some first hand information (ex employee etc) then it's just all guess work.

If we look at the figures that Lili Ledy produced, all of the Made in Mexico figures either bagged or carded were also
produced and released on real Ledy cards, figures like Walrusman, Snaggletooth etc were not. That all points in my mind to them being
produced in a location which was not Mexico or the common Asian factories, the molds were changed to erase the old COO because the location had changed.

Also, it wouldn't be cost effective for Ledy to produce product for Europe and not for themselves, I think if they were producing Walrusman figures they would
have no doubt done a Walrusman Ledy carded figure. Just my thoughts.

I am a firm believer (after a lot of research and looking at the figures/packaging) that certain figures were produced in Spain, it would take sitting down with many
different collectors to actually work out what figures Spain produced and which countries they supplied but it is very possible to do with the help of MOC guys
and loose guys and those that know the Spanish scene well.

 

[Joe]

Joe, Did PBP produce all figures for MIS and Palitoy? I thought that some were made in Hong Kong and Taiwan and also some were imported from Mexico?

No they didn't produce all figures for Palitoy. Earlier figures are all Hong Kong/Taiwan and seemingly those factories did continue production of all the new ROTJ figures as well
as the production that was done in Mexico. Don't forget that for Europe those Cantina aliens were reissued after presumably poor sales which led to them
being axed from production whilst ROTJ was out. I don't know if that rings true for America but if all of the Cantina aliens released on US ROTJ cards were MIS
then it makes sense that Kenner also decided to reissue them and the molds/tools were obviously in Spain at the time *Hence the card COO*

This helps a bit on the reissue thing - http://trilogo.info/features/collect-all-70/

 

[olisuds]

Hey Oli,

I don't know the full list of figures produced by PBP/in Spain 100% so can't really go into that off the top of my head. (Sure we could work it out from google + the forums)

As for production, some say Spain sent their tooling to Mexico others say that Mexico supplied Spain/europe and the USA with figures. I think I believe the latter is true which is why Ledy figures are similar to PBP etc but again - we really don't know, until someone comes forward one day with some documents or some first hand information (ex employee etc) then it's just all guess work.

If we look at the figures that Lili Ledy produced, all of the Made in Mexico figures either bagged or carded were also
produced and released on real Ledy cards, figures like Walrusman, Snaggletooth etc were not. That all points in my mind to them being
produced in a location which was not Mexico or the common Asian factories, the molds were changed to erase the old COO because the location had changed.

Also, it wouldn't be cost effective for Ledy to produce product for Europe and not for themselves, I think if they were producing Walrusman figures they would
have no doubt done a Walrusman Ledy carded figure. Just my thoughts.

I am a firm believer (after a lot of research and looking at the figures/packaging) that certain figures were produced in Spain, it would take sitting down with many
different collectors to actually work out what figures Spain produced and which countries they supplied but it is very possible to do with the help of MOC guys
and loose guys and those that know the Spanish scene well.

Sorry I shouldn't of thrown Mexico in the mix when we are talking about Walrusman. I was just making the point that no one seems certain whether Lili Ledy supplied PBP or vice versa or both! Similarly most for most Spanish figures no one seems certain whether they were made exclusively in Spain or made in Hong Kong / Taiwan or a mixture of both over time.

Oh man this is so confusing

 

[Joe]

Oh man this is so confusing

Agreed!!

One day everyone will get together and hammer this out. I honestly never gave production and factories much attention until recent years
when COO + variant hunting became the latest craze and all this seemed like knowledge that collectors actually wanted to find out.

I still think a lot of collectors think it's pointless, I am 50/50, I welcome research and I love finding out the answers but at times I think
it's definitely overkill as far as collecting goes. Then again in the case of Jeremy and this Wally he wants to sell - he just wants it represented
honestly and if COO research and variant hunters hold the key I say let them get on with it

 

[olisuds]

I just think to label something PBP there has to be exclusivity.

i.e. Was the figure found only on PBP cards? Was the figure without doubt only made in Spain?

Surely neither of these can be answered without doubt by looking at the COO markings.

I would personally call it a European variant.

My head hurts

 

[Joe]

I just think to label something PBP there has to be exclusivity.

i.e. Was the figure found only on PBP cards? Was the figure without doubt only made in Spain?

Surely neither of these can be answered without doubt by looking at the COO markings.

I would personally call it a European variant.

My head hurts

Oh I agree but on the flip side (and what I badly tried to explain earlier) when you take a loose Ledy figure from a MIM card and the other from a Ledy card - which is the Ledy? They both are - because loose they are the same figures sharing the same characteristics!

So in the case of these "PBP" figures, I think collectors should remember that "PBP" may not always 100% mean it came from a PBP card but that it was produced in Spain (home of PBP)

 

[olisuds]

Oh man this is so confusing

Then again in the case of Jeremy and this Wally he wants to sell - he just wants it represented
honestly and if COO research and variant hunters hold the key I say let them get on with it

Lol Sorry Jeremy. Hopefully you are happy with the free bumps you are getting

If this was Rebelscum we'd all be banned right now :lol:

Bung it on ebay, Call it PBP and set a reeserve price for £200

 

[Joe]

I am going to bed now I don't want to talk about Walrusman any more :lol: :lol:

 

[olisuds]

So in the case of these "PBP" figures, I think collectors should remember that "PBP" may not always 100% mean it came from a PBP card but that it was produced in Spain (home of PBP)

And it may not have been produced in Spain either....


Hello anybody??? anybody???


OK Looks like its just me on my own talking about Walrusman