Vectis Auctions 24th & 25th Feb 2016

olisuds said:
I've heard that shill bidding is legal in most auctions apart from eBay.

Vectis terms of auction:

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But the last bit is only where there's no reserve, and all the lots have reserves. The auctioneer is just manufacturing a reserve price aren't they? It's not what we all see as shill bidding.
 
"The auctioneer has absolute discretion to regulate bidding"

"The auctioneer may bid on behalf of the seller for all goods which are being offered subject to reserve or at the auctioneers discretion"

"Where no reserve has been placed the seller has the right to bid either personally or by any other person on his behalf (who may be the auctioneer)"

As I mentioned this is standard practice in many auction houses. I don't know if the technical term shill bidding still applies but it sure sounds similar.
 
rdpla said:
Dorsetmark said:
I've never won anything before, what will happen now?
Do I get an invoice or do they just pack it and ship it, then deduct my card?


Mark
Are you married?

Well this is sudden, I know it's a leap year but think we should meet first

Plus it depends on who you ask
 
rdpla said:
Dorsetmark said:
I've never won anything before, what will happen now?
Do I get an invoice or do they just pack it and ship it, then deduct my card?


Mark
Are you married?

Well this is sudden :shock: , I know it's a leap year but think we should meet first

Plus it depends on who you ask
 
Hah
no, because had you said yes,,,
I would have then said, you won her hand..what more do you need....!!
Robert
 
olisuds said:
"The auctioneer has absolute discretion to regulate bidding"

"The auctioneer may bid on behalf of the seller for all goods which are being offered subject to reserve or at the auctioneers discretion"

"Where no reserve has been placed the seller has the right to bid either personally or by any other person on his behalf (who may be the auctioneer)"

As I mentioned this is standard practice in many auction houses. I don't know if the technical term shill bidding still applies but it sure sounds similar.

Surprising for sure. I've certainly won lots with Vectis way under my commission bid. Generally they will ask the vendor the minimum they would be prepared to let it go at. I suppose I can understand those terms and conditions are in place to cover occasions when an item is at risk of say going for £10 when it is worth £1,000. I guess there is always a notional reserve at the auctioneers discretion which maybe a perceived value. You'd think these would have to be set before the auction started though as they would be hard for the auctioneer to remember.
 
I think for the most part it probably only happens on big ticket items if they're not getting the expected attention. i'll be honest i don't think there much need for it in the current crazy climate.
 
olisuds said:
"The auctioneer has absolute discretion to regulate bidding"

"The auctioneer may bid on behalf of the seller for all goods which are being offered subject to reserve or at the auctioneers discretion"

"Where no reserve has been placed the seller has the right to bid either personally or by any other person on his behalf (who may be the auctioneer)"

As I mentioned this is standard practice in many auction houses. I don't know if the technical term shill bidding still applies but it sure sounds similar.

No auction house could stop people bidding on their own items (by proxy) if they want to.

But at this type of auction I'd think it unlikely. Driving up the price of your own lot would run the obvious risk of winning and paying the high auction fees/commission? If sellers want to achieve a certain price for what they are selling, that is what setting a reserve is for.
 
Having being a client of Vectis for nearly 20 years and also other auction houses included, all your theories are pretty true to a degree but the plain matter is all auction houses want to sell, its about the commision only to them as that is what pays all their overheads and makes them profit.

Using Vectis as a good example, they get plenty of product week after week and really dont need to set reserves, a few items in a 500 lot sale might have a sensible reserve but not a heavy one as they have learned by experience that high reserves dont make an item sell, its better for them to start at 50% of bottom estimate and let the lot find its value on the day, hence the reason you dont see the same items listed sale after sale unless a buyer hasnt paid or they have returned them as it wasnt as descibed, or it got damaged in the post.

As for the shill bidding, running items up carry on, well who knows......the commision bids left on the book is up to them to decide what price to start the item at. If a buyer leaves a bid for £500 on an item that is estimated at £50-£100, its up to them where they want to start and everyone can make theories and speculate how it all works, but in Vectis there are only two people who make this decision and that will always be unknown to all of us.

Regarding other auction houses, the same rules apply really, and in all of them, its business and Im very certain they will all have their little perk now and again, but this is life..
 
jayums said:
olisuds said:
"The auctioneer has absolute discretion to regulate bidding"

"The auctioneer may bid on behalf of the seller for all goods which are being offered subject to reserve or at the auctioneers discretion"

"Where no reserve has been placed the seller has the right to bid either personally or by any other person on his behalf (who may be the auctioneer)"

As I mentioned this is standard practice in many auction houses. I don't know if the technical term shill bidding still applies but it sure sounds similar.

No auction house could stop people bidding on their own items (by proxy) if they want to.

But at this type of auction I'd think it unlikely. Driving up the price of your own lot would run the obvious risk of winning and paying the high auction fees/commission? If sellers want to achieve a certain price for what they are selling, that is what setting a reserve is for.

Like i said, in this kind of climate I think it's probably not necessary but its the sellers / auctioneers prerogative if they feel the item isn't reaching the expected values. I'm sure 99% of the time this doesn't happen and its not going to happen on a £20 box of loose beater figures or a Klaatu MOC but it is there as a back up or safety net for the big ticket items. Setting the reserve too high can stiffle bidding so the reserve is usually set significantly below the expected selling price. So in fact are the estimates usually.

Also they can refuse bids or regulate bidding or cancel sales to prevent the seller winning.

"The auctioneer has absolute discretion to refuse bids, regulate bidding or cancel the sale"
 
One thing is for certain, as a result of this weeks two auctions UKG are going to be busy and ebay will see a deluge of VSW over
the coming weeks as flipping goes viral.
 
Just had a look over some of the completed listings in the Beech sale.

The rebel transports and a lot of the shelf talkers looked cheap. Majority of the MOC was totally overpriced IMO. That first Luke Jedi MOC sold for £186 including fees and was an AFA 75 at best. Lots of the groups of MOC must've been bought by internet bidders, I presume, as the majority was trashed.

Anyone on here get the LXW case yesterday?
 
indianawars said:
I picked up the Han Hoth (ROTJ MOC), Leia Hoth (ROTJ MOC), Luke Bespin (ROTJ MOC) Near mint one for £190 which I was pretty chuffed about.

I was looking at the Leia hoth MOC. Good price in the end for a card that doesn't come up often. Seems to be no end of £100+ ROTJ Leia bespins yet a rarer Leia hoth came in at a lower price. But for work i would of bid a tad more for it.
 
I think sometimes we can get a bit down on just missing out on some of these auctions and think "if only I'd bid a bit more". The reality is we probably weren't even that close and the winning bidder would have been prepared to pay hundreds more. The only comfort from being the underbidder is we at least made them pay more.
 
Andyclarke said:
I think sometimes we can get a bit down on just missing out on some of these auctions and think "if only I'd bid a bit more". The reality is we probably weren't even that close and the winning bidder would have been prepared to pay hundreds more. The only comfort from being the underbidder is we at least made them pay more.


:D

Which is good until they then offer to you at an even higher price than they were made to pay! :?
 
sith-smith said:
Andyclarke said:
I think sometimes we can get a bit down on just missing out on some of these auctions and think "if only I'd bid a bit more". The reality is we probably weren't even that close and the winning bidder would have been prepared to pay hundreds more. The only comfort from being the underbidder is we at least made them pay more.


:D

Which is good until they then offer to you at an even higher price than they were made to pay! :?

True, ha ha :D. We can always say no though! :wink:
 
punk_pat said:
Just had a look over some of the completed listings in the Beech sale.

The rebel transports and a lot of the shelf talkers looked cheap. Majority of the MOC was totally overpriced IMO. That first Luke Jedi MOC sold for £186 including fees and was an AFA 75 at best. Lots of the groups of MOC must've been bought by internet bidders, I presume, as the majority was trashed.

Anyone on here get the LXW case yesterday?

That's a thumbs up for me then, cheers

Won the 1st Rebel Transport for a hammer of £200, which I thought was reasonable also.
 
I've just been asked to collect a Palitoy rebel transport that a guy paid £85? for exc fees. I think he may sell and recoup money as he's States based on postage killed it
 
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