Toy Toni Question...

[ScruffyLookingNH]

I am guessing those nice mint figures might well be touched up and with some nice repro items ( capes maybe ) that will render them essentially as valuable as beaters ?

I don't think there's any evidence of this, is there? And I think figures at the time were so cheap it just wasn't worth his effort?

Saw that Snowtrooper, Michael. I was surprised it went so high, to be honest. I've seen Luke Farmboys go for far less than that. That said, things are worth what someone will pay and this clearly hit a note with you so fair play. I hope it brings you much pleasure!

As for the UKG v AFA argument, I think the general thought it UKG came out on top of the two. They at least had the balls to admit they'd missed them. To this day AFA will not. And AFA U grade where UKG no longer do.

 

[Tickion]

I'd say that a Toy Toni is, to us, worthless...why would you want any part of that shite ?

Like many people I've moved on the TT's in my collection as they just don't sit well. However just in the last week I picked up a couple of Clipper figures feeling confident they were legit, only to find out one is quite possibly a Toni (thanks for Mr.P's advice here) ... What's weird is not really knowing for sure and the mixed feelings of awe and contempt towards it!

 

[itfciain]

I can see why people like them - they are perfect. You just don't see genuine MOCs in that kind of factory fresh condition. I imagine many people would have happily bought them for a reasonable price if he was honest about what they were.

Toni has proved over the years that he's driven by greed so I am convinced that at some point he will try and cash in on his cardbacks, either directly himself or by selling them on to a dealer. It makes me slightly happier about the whole situation that he missed out on so much cash and wasted so much effort assembling these fakes when the unused cardbacks alone would have fetched more. Not as smart as he thought he was.

Also how can AFA / UKG ever have graded the Toy Toni MOC ? Surely if these people had any real idea they would have exposed the practice a lot time before others, what credibility do AFA / UKG have when they have graded re cards at 90% ?

You've answered your own question there, they don't have any credibility with many collectors. I trust my own opinion and experience more than either company.

Remember, both companies 'grade' they don't authenticate - unless it goes to CIB in AFAs case. So they graded the cards verses what at the time were known examples and it was only when the penny dropped and everyone realised that these all came from one source and that this source had various combinations of figures. bubbles and cardbacks where there were no others known to exist.

Rare for me to stick up for graders (especially as I have been accused of bias before) but it is actually hard to blame the grading companies as these were accepted as vintage by pretty much every collector at the time.

 

[reddogblues]

Hi - first time poster... Can anyone confirm that ROTJ Han Solo Hoth Gear are not included in the Toy Toni list? I have my eye on one, but want to be sure they weren't part of this. Thanks

 

[lejackal]

Hi - first time poster... Can anyone confirm that ROTJ Han Solo Hoth Gear are not included in the Toy Toni list? I have my eye on one, but want to be sure they weren't part of this. Thanks

Here you go mate

http://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=19044

 

[reddogblues]

Hi - first time poster... Can anyone confirm that ROTJ Han Solo Hoth Gear are not included in the Toy Toni list? I have my eye on one, but want to be sure they weren't part of this. Thanks

Here you go mate

http://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=19044

Thanks - looks like I'm all clear to pull the trigger then

 

[Leemcl]

**** **** fukerty **** ( as the saying goes )

I saw a Han Bespin earlier and then read the guide. I had no idea it was ESB cards affected too and recently got an ESB Ben Kenobi General Mills AFA graded.

Despite the blurb on the listing ( which having re read now should have made me run before ) now I suspect it's highly likely a Toni and I can't understand why I got carried away and did not just avoid it at the hint of being a ToyToni.

In fairness to the seller they were sort of open about the possibility, but the AFA / blurb and it being an ESB meant it was ok....

But as I said "****" & I started this thread

Have a look for me fellas and then, please don't laugh eBay number # 252445064798

Quite a month on eBay for me. Got scammed out of £340 and now bought a potentially £20 figure for far too much !!!

****

 

[lejackal]

**** **** fukerty **** ( as the saying goes )

I saw a Han Bespin earlier and then read the guide. I had no idea it was ESB cards affected too and recently got this item...

Despite the blurb. I suspect it's a Toni and I can't understand why I got carried away and did not just avoid it at the hint of a ToyToni. If fairness to the seller they were sort of open about the possibility, but the AFA / blurb and it being an ESB meant it was ok....

But as I said "****" & I started this thread

Have a look for me fella and then, please don't laugh eBay number # 252445064798

That's a Ben Kenobi mate but if it was the same seller I'm pretty sure I've seen him selling TTs before. I wouldn't laugh anyway, its not nice having your pants pulled down on something you've worked hard to buy

 

[theforceuk]

I can see why people like them - they are perfect. You just don't see genuine MOCs in that kind of factory fresh condition. I imagine many people would have happily bought them for a reasonable price if he was honest about what they were.

Toni has proved over the years that he's driven by greed so I am convinced that at some point he will try and cash in on his cardbacks, either directly himself or by selling them on to a dealer. It makes me slightly happier about the whole situation that he missed out on so much cash and wasted so much effort assembling these fakes when the unused cardbacks alone would have fetched more. Not as smart as he thought he was.

Also how can AFA / UKG ever have graded the Toy Toni MOC ? Surely if these people had any real idea they would have exposed the practice a lot time before others, what credibility do AFA / UKG have when they have graded re cards at 90% ?

You've answered your own question there, they don't have any credibility with many collectors. I trust my own opinion and experience more than either company.

Remember, both companies 'grade' they don't authenticate - unless it goes to CIB in AFAs case. So they graded the cards verses what at the time were known examples and it was only when the penny dropped and everyone realised that these all came from one source and that this source had various combinations of figures. bubbles and cardbacks where there were no others known to exist.

Rare for me to stick up for graders (especially as I have been accused of bias before) but it is actually hard to blame the grading companies as these were accepted as vintage by pretty much every collector at the time.

I agree, although both graders should have been more proactive since the TT scandal was exposed. Compared to most regular posters, your very neutral on grading Iain, you've taken posts by me to personally before, don't be so paranoid! I mean this in a nice way and I'm only talking about the 'grading issue.'

 

[Leemcl]

Sorry mate. I was not clear

Yes I bought the Ben Kenobi


I was looking at a Han Bespin earlier that was openly listed as a Toy Tony and just pricked my interest. Ironic as having now read it all. I feel like a "prick". I had wrongly assumed AFA ESB graded were ok.

I think I'll be sending Ben Back, although I doubt the seller is going to be happy ! Shame as I was so proud of it previously

 

[itfciain]

Compared to most regular posters, your very neutral on grading Iain, you've taken posts by me to personally before, don't be so paranoid! I mean this in a nice way and I'm only talking about the 'grading issue.'

That wasn't aimed at you mate - another well known forum member accused me of it over on RS - even though I have held the same opinion for the past 7 years - and funnily enough since accusing me of bias, this chap can't get enough of one particular grading company - but I guess it is OK in his case

 

[chewbaccadave]

Has anybody on here actually got a confirmed AFA graded toni and the balls to send it to AFA to be opened and graded as a U grade just to see what they do/say?,Dave.

 

[lejackal]

I don't know mate, he specifies it is not a TT because of the number on the bubble. On the TTs he sells he always declares it as suspect

 

[Leemcl]

I guess, if nothing else, it shows the impact of the whole ToyToni scam....

It's the doubt that kills it.

Such a shame as so nice....but there you go ! Seller is quite clear in reply. Not a TT as an 03 bubble.....

Confused by the whole bloody thing now

 

[itfciain]

Has anybody on here actually got a confirmed AFA graded toni and the balls to send it to AFA to be opened and graded as a U grade just to see what they do/say?,Dave.

That would be quite funny but my guess is that they would refuse to grade it at all (which is their current stance)

 

[Ian_C]

Compared to most regular posters, your very neutral on grading Iain, you've taken posts by me to personally before, don't be so paranoid! I mean this in a nice way and I'm only talking about the 'grading issue.'

That wasn't aimed at you mate - another well known forum member accused me of it over on RS - even though I have held the same opinion for the past 7 years - and funnily enough since accusing me of bias, this chap can't get enough of one particular grading company - but I guess it is OK in his case

Wouldn't happen to be a relatively newer member with an affinity for all things Ice Planet, would it?

Ian

 

[jedisearcher]

I guess, if nothing else, it shows the impact of the whole ToyToni scam....

It's the doubt that kills it.

Such a shame as so nice....but there you go ! Seller is quite clear in reply. Not a TT as an 03 bubble.....

Confused by the whole bloody thing now

Toni 100% had 03 single stem bubbles. I'd be sending it back and buying something legit.

http://www.freewebs.com/mrpalitoy/esb45bcardback.htm

"For TIE Fighter Pilot, he used a single stem bubble with no number and a single stem bubble with the wrong bubble number, 03 instead of 13, so this can be used to detect a Toni card."

 

[itfciain]

Compared to most regular posters, your very neutral on grading Iain, you've taken posts by me to personally before, don't be so paranoid! I mean this in a nice way and I'm only talking about the 'grading issue.'

That wasn't aimed at you mate - another well known forum member accused me of it over on RS - even though I have held the same opinion for the past 7 years - and funnily enough since accusing me of bias, this chap can't get enough of one particular grading company - but I guess it is OK in his case

Wouldn't happen to be a relatively newer member with an affinity for all things Ice Planet, would it?

Ian

Lol - not your mate - who has in fact bought some GW Acrylic and said nice things about it

 

[Ian_C]

Lol - not your mate - who has in fact bought some GW Acrylic and said nice things about it

Haha, well, when you mention someone nuts for one of the grading companies, he's the first to pop into my head.

Hard to believe anyone questions your rep Iain.... :|

Ian

 

[Leemcl]

I guess, if nothing else, it shows the impact of the whole ToyToni scam....

It's the doubt that kills it.

Such a shame as so nice....but there you go ! Seller is quite clear in reply. Not a TT as an 03 bubble.....

Confused by the whole bloody thing now

Toni 100% had 03 single stem bubbles. I'd be sending it back and buying something legit.

http://www.freewebs.com/mrpalitoy/esb45bcardback.htm

"For TIE Fighter Pilot, he used a single stem bubble with no number and a single stem bubble with the wrong bubble number, 03 instead of 13, so this can be used to detect a Toni card."

Thank you. I'll pass on to the seller and ask to return it. I don't know how happy they will be to take it back. It's a beautiful looking MOC. But I guess being a high probability TT I can't justify £150. Which is what it was. This has been an eye opener and not in a good way.