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I couldn't agree with you anymore. They're like a bull in a china shop at the moment, once they run out of steam and money the prices should settle down again.
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I couldn't agree with you anymore. They're like a bull in a china shop at the moment, once they run out of steam and money the prices should settle down again.
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The only potential problem...which I have also seen happen, is when they sell, they bump up the price and sell to the next round of newbie collector.
Hopefully that won't be the standard thing to happen
Hopefully that won't be the standard thing to happen
I've noticed the same with vinyl collecting, all that's happened is collectors have got older and many now have decent jobs so can afford to spend more. When I first started collecting MOCs I was a teenager on a budget of about £10 per week, it would take me literally months to save up for 'expensive' £50+ MOCs, I usually had to do payment plans for pretty much everything! But people just starting collecting now are likely to be in at least their 30s, if not 40s or 50s, so potentially have much bigger disposable incomes.
theforceuk said:I started collecting MOC's 98/99 and some of the prices I paid haven't reached the same price evan now. £200 for a POTF EV-9D9. :? That said I was 19 with to much spare cash. :lol:
I certainly think their's a lot of wealthy people that have come into the collecting world in the last 3 years or so and they seam to be obsessed with AFA and high grades at that. Some people think that the 12 back prices are going to slump again after the hysteria of the new films has gone, but I can't see that happening. I mean is a 12 back Luke that's worth 2K at the moment only going to be worth 1K in 5 years time? Only time will tell. :roll:
I guess it's a case of supply and demand and Star Wars is going to become more popular now Disney are in the driving seat IMO.
PS Same here Pomse2001.I'd say early 00's ebay really took off :?:
I started to collect again as an adult in 2001 and I do not remember the prices was going up in the 00. I have been on ebay also from the early 00 there was things you could find very cheap in the early 00 that you cant even find on ebay today.
I remember Stormtrooper Takara as loose for under a £100 I do not even remember when I last saw a loose takara figure on ebay :?
Vlix under £500 on ebay. Today it cost a lot more and there is no one on ebay
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Some of it could also be a change in popularity amongst already existing collectors.
With Palitoy MOC for example the emphasis was always on the SW cards.
Now it's switched to 30 backs and consequently their price has risen.
The extent though to which prices have risen must largely be due to the increase in disposable money people have, especially those in my age bracket, 40-50. Young enough to have been Star Wars fans as kids, old enough now to have perhaps have less expenses than in 20's/30, what with mortgages and kids.
Me typically has done things the other way round. Just bought my first house, and at 42 looking to have kids. :roll:
With Palitoy MOC for example the emphasis was always on the SW cards.
Now it's switched to 30 backs and consequently their price has risen.
The extent though to which prices have risen must largely be due to the increase in disposable money people have, especially those in my age bracket, 40-50. Young enough to have been Star Wars fans as kids, old enough now to have perhaps have less expenses than in 20's/30, what with mortgages and kids.
Me typically has done things the other way round. Just bought my first house, and at 42 looking to have kids. :roll:
sith-smith said:Pomse2001 said:I hope this prices will go down again, some of the rare items I still need cost to much for me
I hope so too.
There are lots of things I'd like to also collect, other than Palitoy MOC (which in all honesty has always been a little crazy in price...now it's just insane)...but if all things continue to rise in price then it won't be possible.
Shame.
I agree it is a shame gary. Today I wish I had bought the rare items first
The truth is none of us know what will happen in the future, sadly.
I'd certainly like to see prices return to normality and I do believe that it hugely depends on the success of the coming movie(s).
The only thing I would like to know is why those coming into the money are spending more than any else has for the past 10+ years on this stuff? I mean sure, flash your cash if you have it and buy the rare stuff that you have to throw money at to obtain but why is the common stuff being bid up to insane amounts too?
One interesting thing I've noticed (which might contradict the suggestion that guys in their late 30's - early 40's with high paid jobs are happy to spend these crazy amounts) is that almost all of the people I knew that were approaching that kind of age 5-6 years ago have all but disappeared.
People like Uli, Stu, Carl both Jay's to name a few, some sold up, some still have their collection but they all slowed down heavily or even stopped collecting due to kids and other hobbies and activities.
I guess what I'm trying to say is just find it slightly bizarre to image 40 year olds who haven't collected before now suddenly thinking "I know - I'll go spend thousands of pounds on toys!" when typically that period in your life is spent doing much more interesting/important stuff than collecting figures.
To quote Darren in a recent RS thread:
Which is exactly how I always viewed this hobby, a little bit geeky, a little bit awkward but extremely fun and most important - accessible to all, not just the rich.
I'd certainly like to see prices return to normality and I do believe that it hugely depends on the success of the coming movie(s).
The only thing I would like to know is why those coming into the money are spending more than any else has for the past 10+ years on this stuff? I mean sure, flash your cash if you have it and buy the rare stuff that you have to throw money at to obtain but why is the common stuff being bid up to insane amounts too?
One interesting thing I've noticed (which might contradict the suggestion that guys in their late 30's - early 40's with high paid jobs are happy to spend these crazy amounts) is that almost all of the people I knew that were approaching that kind of age 5-6 years ago have all but disappeared.
People like Uli, Stu, Carl both Jay's to name a few, some sold up, some still have their collection but they all slowed down heavily or even stopped collecting due to kids and other hobbies and activities.
I guess what I'm trying to say is just find it slightly bizarre to image 40 year olds who haven't collected before now suddenly thinking "I know - I'll go spend thousands of pounds on toys!" when typically that period in your life is spent doing much more interesting/important stuff than collecting figures.
To quote Darren in a recent RS thread:
Which is exactly how I always viewed this hobby, a little bit geeky, a little bit awkward but extremely fun and most important - accessible to all, not just the rich.
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Me too. Wished I'd bought loads of things back in the 90's
That's the benefit and problem with hindsight!
Though in the past, what was thought to be rare is not necessary the same as today.
The Yak face...which started this whole thread...was a very rare figure back in the 90's. Now, in all honesty it really isn't. Though currently it appears that it still holds that myth status!
The internet has at least made it more clear as to what is rare than compared to pre-internet days. The power of world wide communication!
That's the benefit and problem with hindsight!
Though in the past, what was thought to be rare is not necessary the same as today.
The Yak face...which started this whole thread...was a very rare figure back in the 90's. Now, in all honesty it really isn't. Though currently it appears that it still holds that myth status!
The internet has at least made it more clear as to what is rare than compared to pre-internet days. The power of world wide communication!
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Joe said:I'd certainly like to see prices return to normality and I do believe that it hugely depends on the success of the coming movie(s).
Which is exactly how I always viewed this hobby, a little bit geeky, a little bit awkward but extremely fun and most important - accessible to all, not just the rich.
Question is, what's normal. And when you are talking about middle aged men collecting toys, can you really use the word normal?
I certainly don't find the collecting side of this hobby anywhere near as enjoyable as I did when I first began. Wandering around car boot sales was probably the most real enjoyment I had. And I really miss those days. Now I feel like it's a battle for everything, everything has a ridiculous value and you feel like you're being stitched up at every turn!
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heh, sold a loose Yak on Saturday for £75 
Although the internet has been round for years now this is the first time the iphone/ipad generation has cottoned on to a rise in popularity to Star Wars. The last movie was 10 years ago now and even then the average punter was sick of SW of by the end of it. Mobile internet was still early days - **** coverage, a lot of phones still had 2G etc.
The prequels made SW look silly even to some people who were old enough to remember the original. I think this new film 'forgives' the negativity surrounding the prequels and makes it 'ok' for 30/40 somethings to be nostalgic. Only now they've got a disposable income, kids who they want to relive their youth through and better than ever mobile internet access. All this combines to create a huge demand with a short supply.
These people are never going to be walking round car boot sales etc, people are getting lazier and if they can find the same thing but pay a bit more then 'what the hell'. Unfortunately its putting prices up for us all.
I think it will cool off regardless of the film. Even if its a great movie its still not the original trilogy so the mass exposure will piss the masses off again in the long run. I'm sure all this stuff being bought will be sold off eventually, so the true collectors may pick up bargains in the long run.
The prequels made SW look silly even to some people who were old enough to remember the original. I think this new film 'forgives' the negativity surrounding the prequels and makes it 'ok' for 30/40 somethings to be nostalgic. Only now they've got a disposable income, kids who they want to relive their youth through and better than ever mobile internet access. All this combines to create a huge demand with a short supply.
These people are never going to be walking round car boot sales etc, people are getting lazier and if they can find the same thing but pay a bit more then 'what the hell'. Unfortunately its putting prices up for us all.
I think it will cool off regardless of the film. Even if its a great movie its still not the original trilogy so the mass exposure will piss the masses off again in the long run. I'm sure all this stuff being bought will be sold off eventually, so the true collectors may pick up bargains in the long run.
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Prices do not mark rare stuff. Vinyl cape Jawa is not rare. Blue Snag is not rare. Yak Face is not rare. None of last 17 are rare.
Rare is what is hard to find. Top Toys vinyl cape Jawa is rare. Orange hair Luke is rare. Dark Brown Rebel Soldier is rare.
Rare is what is hard to find. Top Toys vinyl cape Jawa is rare. Orange hair Luke is rare. Dark Brown Rebel Soldier is rare.
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I don't see prices falling regardless of the new films being awesome or EP1. We're all seeing it on ebay: vintage - MOCs especially - are going for five times what they were even a year ago. This might just be the norm now.
I been on the look out for an R2 65/77 MOC... seems like I'm going to have to go to £100+ just for this.
I been on the look out for an R2 65/77 MOC... seems like I'm going to have to go to £100+ just for this.
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If there is no market "correction" and prices do not fall (even slightly) then I guess in the next 5 years or so 90% of us might not even be here, which is both sad and scary.
If we are due to be replaced by the wealthy, lazy, non community spirited AFA obsessed idiots then all I can say to those just starting out is: Good luck....
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Do not under estimate the power of the 12 back, they are a very cool thing to have for people who don't evan think about spending 3K on one. We all know what Disney spent on Star Wars and their gonna make sure they see a return on their investment and that means bringing Star Wars to a whole new generation. If only 1 in a thousand of these new fans start collecting vintage Star Wars that's still a lot more people collecting something that stop being manufactured nearly 30 years ago.
That on top of the fact that a lot of collectors in their 40's, 50's have got spare cash to finally complete their collections as kids have left home etc. I bet their's 100's perhaps 1000's of collectors that don't go on forums and keep themselves to themselves. Prices are only going one way IMO and I truly hope I'm wrong.
That on top of the fact that a lot of collectors in their 40's, 50's have got spare cash to finally complete their collections as kids have left home etc. I bet their's 100's perhaps 1000's of collectors that don't go on forums and keep themselves to themselves. Prices are only going one way IMO and I truly hope I'm wrong.
It's important to remember we are in a spike at the moment and prices are higher than they've ever been in the last 20+ years of this hobby existing. Because it's a spike and prices haven't increased slowly I think it's unwise to believe it's just a sign of the times and that prices will continue to increase (especially at this rate). Honestly, I don't see how higher prices than now are even sustainable.
A good example of the sudden change in prices would be Edd putting together a 12 back set 2-3 years ago. He only averaged a few hundred per figure which would be impossible nowadays on that kind of budget and there is the problem, it's evident that almost overnight it's gone from "meh :roll: " to "WOAH :shock: ".
I'm all for things appreciating in value slowly over time and you have to expect that as time goes on but huge price increases over very short periods of time are worrying and I for one, am glad I'm sitting things out.
A good example of the sudden change in prices would be Edd putting together a 12 back set 2-3 years ago. He only averaged a few hundred per figure which would be impossible nowadays on that kind of budget and there is the problem, it's evident that almost overnight it's gone from "meh :roll: " to "WOAH :shock: ".
I'm all for things appreciating in value slowly over time and you have to expect that as time goes on but huge price increases over very short periods of time are worrying and I for one, am glad I'm sitting things out.
On the plus side, I'm only 30 so maybe in 10-15 years time when all the rich guys have moved on, AFA have gone bankrupt and all the movie spin offs are making people puke I'll be able to collect again woo! :lol:
There will also be **** loads to buy too with everyone dumping their stuff
There will also be **** loads to buy too with everyone dumping their stuff
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