Spanish Fett Cardback on FB

[stormcab]

This is not me having a go. I'd say I was half curious, and half WHAT THE ACTUAL F**K? Has anyone seen this, on the Vintage POCH/PBP page? A Boba Fett Cardback that has also been cut to remove nameplate. $2500. No one has said "WTF" yet, and I'm wondering if they haven't because they will just get blasted along with others that have done it in the past.

I know very little about many foreign cardbacks, except that yes they are mentally rare.

I know it's market forces and all that, but is this for real?

 

[itfciain]

The seller is the owner of TIG and is also a member here

I guess you have to look at the figure, the rarity and the general demand for one of a kind/very scarce items these days. If a 12 back Luke can sel for $2500 and there are hundreds if not thousands of those - then what price do you put on something like this

If JP is out value wise then the market will correct it

 

[stormcab]

The seller is the owner of TIG and is also a member here

I guess you have to look at the figure, the rarity and the general demand for one of a kind/very scarce items these days. If a 12 back Luke can sel for $2500 and there are hundreds if not thousands of those - then what price do you put on something like this

If JP is out value wise then the market will correct it

Thanks Iain. Was just curious if this was the current condition of the market. I posted because my initial reaction was quite extreme, and wanted to know if I was justified.

People on here are shocked and post a thread in the eBay section when a $10 loose figure is listed at say $100, so can't say being shocked about this item's price is off

 

[kvavik]

I find it best not to comment publicly on asking prices if you don't have any price data available. I've seen some rare foreign MOCs that where for sale in mid 2000s, a rich collector was willing to go 10k for each one. Normal price at the time was 1-2k. Items sold for up to 3k on ebay. Had this one guy not been there, they would likely sell for 700-1,5k. Things get heated fast, if just one collector will go big. Pest or blessing? Depends if you're selling or buying... I guess. :?

also it's hard to predict the market.
When Jordan sold the rockett fett for $17k on the pilot episode of Toy Hunter, everybody said it was ridiculous. Now, I know 20+ people that would jump on it, just as an investment.
From memory I also think POTF Yoda sold for a lot at one point. Not so pop today. It can easily go both ways.

 

[stormcab]

Good points. I think because I'm looking at it and thinking even if I won the £99 million Euro there's still no way I'm paying that for a piece of torn up card. I'm still struggling to understand why it is I'm paying "just" a few hundred pounds for some plastic & card (MOC) as it is. I always have this panic in the back of my head that the rug will be pulled out from under the VSW market with "haha, it was all a joke, and all you fools have spent thousands.

 

[Mr-shifter]

With something like that, it's so rare that the seller can name the price. Now that's not to say that it's worth or not worth the money but as Iain says, if the price is wrong then the market will correct it.

Knowing the sellers rep, he will have mostly looked at what some of the uber rare card backs that have sold in the past 12 months and valued this at somewhere around that mark.

Something is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay and someone is willing to sell. It seems nuts that a piece of cardboard could be worth so much but at the end of the day arent all of our collections just plastic and cardboard?

 

[poncho]

Theres a poch/pbp page. Got a link boys?

 

[SublevelStudios]

Something is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay and someone is willing to sell. It seems nuts that a piece of cardboard could be worth so much but at the end of the day arent all of our collections just plastic and cardboard?

Spot on.

 

[Ross_Barr]

It's a tough one for me because I think anyone that posts publicly on a forum should be ready to accept feedback on their chosen price, whether that's the common "nice piece" or "great price" we often see friends of the seller post or if it's the "man, that's a bit high" post that is seen from time to time. Of course, common sense comes in too - if you are selling an AFA 80 12 back Luke for $1300 for example and someone says that's too high, that's not right or fair that they say that. If people say something is too high, they should have an objective basis for saying so other than being a ****head troll.

There are a lot of newbies out there that don't know any better, and letting them know when something is way too high - which I personally thought this card back was (although for a unique piece like that, as others have noted, the seller can ask whatever he wants) - does a great service to the community. Frankly, that type of education of people on fair values is way more important than the hurt feelings of the seller who is probably just being greedy anyway and deserves the comment.

Hell, I have been guilty of asking too much on stuff for sale before (especially on rare stuff where there is no objective past sales to point to as a guide), and I am a big enough boy to take the feedback, even if it might hurt a sale.

 

[edd_jedi]

I have no problem with genuinely rare items selling for big bucks. That makes sense. As Iain points out, it's the people paying thousands of dollars for abundant items like 12 backs and loose Vinyl Cape Jawas that are doing the damage and driving up prices of other common items.

Just five years ago in 2011, I put together a full set of 12 backs for £1100, and this year I have seen individual 12 backs sell for more than that. I bet this one-off cardback hasn't gone up in value tenfold in the last 5 years like 12 backs apparently have.

 

[SAVORY100]

I have no problem with genuinely rare items selling for big bucks. That makes sense. As Iain points out, it's the people paying thousands of dollars for abundant items like 12 backs and loose Vinyl Cape Jawas that are doing the damage and driving up prices of other common items.

Just five years ago in 2011, I put together a full set of 12 backs for £1100, and this year I have seen individual 12 backs sell for more than that. I bet this one-off cardback hasn't gone up in value tenfold in the last 5 years like 12 backs apparently have.

It feels like its some sort of trend at the moment to have a 12 back run or first 12 this and that.. From watching the FB groups particularly, at first it seemed to be the first 12 on SW cards, then on ESB, then on Jedi. Quickly followed by a rush to get an action stand and set of loose mint figures (some with more conservative budgets went loose or graded loose before MOC). Then of course to upgrade to a DT Luke on that stand and a VCJ; again in line with price moving upwards. It all seems to add up to a bigger demand and naturally a greater cost to those obtaining these items.

Similar trends are visible in Tri-Logo and of course Palitoy related lines.

It is what it is, the focus(es) will shift over time and the next trend will come and go, I expect that there will actually be a dearth of first 12 in all guises available in the coming years because of this the prices will start to come back... maybe with the podcast highlighting Helix (admittedly already high), oddball and most recently watches (both increasing), will these take over the mantle of collectors collectable through the coming year?

Back to the OP, the card-back in question is not only rare, its clearly of a more specialist taste and definitely less trendy, so the value won't be liable to fluctuate in the same manner.

 

[steve obi wan]

Interesting debate , the market will dictate how much the item is worth . But if it's your item you can ask for what you want , it's yours . It might sell it might not

 

[poncho]

This is not me having a go. I'd say I was half curious, and half WHAT THE ACTUAL F**K? Has anyone seen this, on the Vintage POCH/PBP page? A Boba Fett Cardback that has also been cut to remove nameplate. $2500. No one has said "WTF" yet, and I'm wondering if they haven't because they will just get blasted along with others that have done it in the past.

I know very little about many foreign cardbacks, except that yes they are mentally rare.

I know it's market forces and all that, but is this for real?

anyone got the link to the FB group?

i can only find a book release page for pbp/poch

 

[hellhippie]

theres a guide which has been EXTREMELY helpful on the imperial gunnery ..... some of these guys endless research has almost paved the way for collectors of the Spanish line. variant villain as well is almost the bible for poch ... I have been quite obsessed with all thing poch for a while now and cant say enough about those 2 sites

 

[jayums]

Something is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay and someone is willing to sell. It seems nuts that a piece of cardboard could be worth so much but at the end of the day arent all of our collections just plastic and cardboard?

Spot on.

Totally agree. I don't think market trends are set from sales like this. The seller is asking what they want (and then some), and they only need to find one buyer.

 

[jayums]

I always have this panic in the back of my head that the rug will be pulled out from under the VSW market with "haha, it was all a joke, and all you fools have spent thousands.

I think its probably sensible to have that thought in your mind... I'm sure that genuinely rare items in mint condition will always be desirable, but the reality is hundreds of millions of figures were produced. And hardly any of them are truly rare, however desirable they are to a lot of us!

Besides the recent interest in the new films, I would think the demographics probably favour vsw prices increasing for the forseeable... I dont think it would be unfair to say that most collectors are 70s and 80s kids who are now middle-aged, at peak income (a depressing thought for me!) and nostalgic for their old toys. I would be very surprised if the market, at least for most stuff, remained as buoyant once that generation are long gone. Will so many nineties and noughties kids have the same passion for klaatu variants they never played with as kids? Im not so sure.
For me, i think the best way to avoid panic attacks is to only pay what you can afford, and enjoy collecting for pleasure first and foremost.

 

[kingshearer]

Yer there's loads of chancers in the VSW world and I can only see prices going up and up.
Leave the crazy priced one-offs to the lottery winners, University vice chancellors and prem players and just hope that one day you'll pick up a VCJ 12 back in a charity shop for £1.50.

 

[olisuds]

It's on TIG too so you don't need to go setting up a facebook account especially to see it :lol:

Unless its that scum bag Eric, I've given up commenting on prices and whether they are ridiculously high or justified. Those kind of discussions always seem to end in arguments and bad feeling. Besides just when i think something is selling for a ridiculous price, I wait a few months and it almost seems like a bargain. I don't know what to think anymore - it's just all getting a bit crazy. I also have little sympathy for people who drop thousands of $ without having an understanding of what something is or its value. If you are that careless in life perhaps someone else deserves your money more :lol:

Anyway I have no idea what rare cardbacks sell for these days. I don't think I've ever seen one valued near that price but then again I haven't really been keeping tabs so maybe one of the card back collectors can give a better opinion. I know people go ga-ga for anything Fett but it was the condition that surprises me. If it was a nice 37/41 back POCH with the hotizontal back and the bubble had come off cleanly it wouldn't sound too bad. But this one's been sawn in half with the pop missing. I'm just to OCD to own something like that. Even the missing punch would give me a headache :lol:

 

[stormcab]

Will so many nineties and noughties kids have the same passion for klaatu variants they never played with as kids? Im not so sure.
For me, i think the best way to avoid panic attacks is to only pay what you can afford, and enjoy collecting for pleasure first and foremost.

Yeah I've set myself an upper limit of what I will pay for a MOC. Because of this there are many I will never own. Even if a 21 back Fett came up for me to buy at half it's current value, I wouldn't buy it. What about buying it and selling for the proper price to make a couple of grand profit? Well I don't want to be a flipper, and besides, I'd want it for myself.

Who knows how the future market will go. Some prices for TFA merchandise is already getting stupid. In the future, "original" vintage Star Wars could be a big craze, and some of today's children who will become mega rich, will buy up everything in sight. Who knows.

You say who would be buying stuff they didn't play with as a kid? Well a big chunk of my MOC collection are items I never owned as a child. Especially the foreign card backs which I love.

 

[jayums]

Face it, the grim reality is that in 20 years time the Phantom Menace generation will be on this very forum chasing after some rare moc of Ja Ja Binks that didn't go straight to landfill