RS Watch out thread getting fun again

[tiefighterboy]

I'd settle for a round of drinks when we hang out at CVII.......LOL :lol:

First ones on me...the next one is on Lee Bullock :wink:

Can we invite Erik and PegasusKid?

 

[Michael Sith]

Don't flatter yourself too much Joe, I'm not losing any sleep over this I'm simply expressing my TRUE feelings in an environment where nobody (currently or historically) else is willing to tell you how they really feel....because they want to be in line for all those wonderful toys of yours! All those things I said above are just little snippets from conversations had by people who both love and loathe you.

So please pretend you're sitting back, laughing...but your rants recently and in the past are just cries for attention, and they're front and center for everyone to see This whole PK saga is just your excuse to go back into collecting again. And we all know how things will go from here - you'll dissapear again, then you'll reapper, then you'll say you're going to sell your collection after someone else "wrongs" you, then when you've had your fill of having your ass kissed, you'll announce once again, that the holiest of holies bootleg master is back! Oh, and by the way, he deserves everything and all others can have the scraps once he decides what to keep.

Its a charade that I'm more than happy to be done with. You can keep your bootlegs and your delusions.

I'm actually glad that you're FINALLY showing your true self, rather than the facade of trying to be friendly with me. The ERG situation IMO was a set up on your part from day one. IF you had been trying to help me as you've claimed, you could have just told the seller "look this guy can't post on the forum, but needs this piece and has no problem paying your asking price" Pretty easy. It was one piece and certainly not the rarest of the pieces offered. But you played your game and tried to make me look like the bad guy when all was said and done. I walked away from the hobby for a while because at the time I was fairly pissed at your actions, because I realized the game you were playing, so you could **** me over and still come out looking like the good guy. In my time away,I relaxed my view on giving a ****, especially about any actions involving you. I tried to be friendly with you and that's just led to more of you trying to defame me in the hobby. Many people that you think are your friends, who also are unlikely to tell you how they really feel, in fear of getting blacklisted from buying whatever Uzays you may turn up, have told me that they have no idea why you went out of your way so much to prove that PK was me, and that it seemed excessive and obsessive on your part (their words not mine)

As for why I'm back, while going thru my collection and doing inventory/ pricing/packing everything up, getting ready to box it up for the truck the dealer that was brokering my collection was sending to pick it all up, I just couldn't bring myself to part with something that's been such a huge part of my life for the past 20 years. Also the fact that the collection is NOT finished, has the completest in me out hunting for and getting back in touch with some of my older contacts. not to mention that the thought of some of the pieces landing in the collections of the people that have turned the hobby sour for me, made me sick. Will I take time off from posting here and there, most likely. Right now I'm submerged in getting info and pics from friends for http://www.theouterrealmsw.com

As for people wronging me, it's pretty much just you and Adam that have really ****ed me over. Short story on Adam: He offered me a piece, I agreed to his price, then he pulled it from me for someone else that was buying other pieces from him (pieces that I didn't need). That's something that ANYONE would be fairly pissed about.

your claims of people that "love and loathe me" talking **** don't really matter. The people that are my friends have chimed in on the 3rd world list and via phone calls & emails. I know who they are, and have and will help any of them, any way I can when pieces come up. IF any of them are talking **** behind my back, or secretly hate me but don't have the balls to say how they feel, that's on their conscious not mine. To some of the people that disliked me based on misconceptions, I've turned some of them into friends,and others will believe what they want to believe.
I may have told a white lie or 2 when you got all uppity trying to out my sock puppet acct, but otherwise, I've always been straight forward about where I stand with everyone, you included. If I don't like someone, they know it.

I think it's funny that you harp on how you feel that I think I "deserve" every piece that comes up. I remember a little conversation we had a couple of years ago about a carded Blue Stars, that I helped a friend get, and you got furious with both of us because you felt that you "deserved" it more than him. Lets see.... He'd helped me get stuff for my collection and has always been nice to me. We'd just become friendlier after you'd come in with this adversarial attitude and tone with me and acted like I "owed" you, because of the admittedly shitty way you were treated when you first showed up on RS(which I'd apologized for repeatedly).
Did I get pissed when Pete V got first crack at a knock off bike from 77 that I've been hunting for forever....nope.... Because he's also been hunting for one just as long and it was a completely fair game. Have I missed on other pieces I care about owning because I simply forgot to bid, or got outbid....yep. Doesn't bother me. I'm not entitled to anything, OTHER than a fair shake and not getting stabbed in the back.

I've passed on countless bootleg ceramic pieces that I needed, so Ron could finish his collection of them first. I've traded John A. prototype pieces for bootlegs with him getting the better end of the deal financially more times than I can count. I passed on a carded Polish 1st gen for Mike that I could have used as an upgrade for myself, and likely still profited selling off the lesser piece, but I just stepped back and gave him the source. I've sold Daren countless licensed pieces for a fraction of their market value to thank him for bootleg items he'd passed on for me, as well as freebies as thank yous to both of them. I've sold Jason Edge, items for much less than my asking prices when I've gotten huge lots, because he gave me fair deals, and turned down the opportunity to sell items for more by someone trying to back door me, when I bought a huge quantity from him... I go out of my way for my friends, just as all of the folks mentioned above have done for me.

Sorry for those expecting a flame war. My new lease on the hobby has me far less likely to take the obvious baiting tactics than in the past. And I'm certainly not claiming to be the nicest guy in the world, but I'm definitely not the villain of comic book like proportions that Mete wants to paint me as.

Cheers and enjoy your popcorn
Joe

Wow :shock: War &Peace :!:

 

[turkdlit]

I wrote a long reply spewing with anger. A collector much wiser and level headed then me gave me some good advice. Flaming out is fun to watch, but obviously neither of us will sway eachother's opinions, Joe. We each have our own recollection of past events, and it will remain that way no matter what. People will think what they think. The rest is just entertainment for the spectators (hopefully its been good entertainment!). So I will just try to be as straight forward as possible, and bow out.

This entire hobby is based on trust. We trust that things aren't fake, tampered with, and that are friends are selling us things at fair prices. We trust they'll will be sent as promised, packed well, and bought in good faith. So when you lied 17 times to me in FB messages (yes, I counted, slightly pathetic I know) saying you weren't PK, when I knew you were, and it was later confirmed, all that trust goes out the window. And it really irked me, especially since we were trying to get along well. It felt like a slap in the face, just like how I me coming after you must have felt like a slap in the face as well.

Yes, I can totally admit I went after you, big time. It was my way of getting back at you - not for the way you welcomed me to the forums (got over that ages ago), or the past things (Uzay TFP, dark cape ERG), but for the lying. I consider myself an incredibly honest person, and I am human...being lied to sucks. I know you were protecting yourself by lying, but in a way it was a test - if you had said, yes I am PK, lets just keep it between you and me, then it would have been this nice opportunity to fortify our friendship, because I can tell you with 100% certainty, I wouldn't have told anyone had you asked me not to.

As for some of the other things you mentioned - the dark cape ERG. You just have to believe me dude (plus the evidence is in the thread) - Trevor emailed me first, there was no conspiracy, I was not out to screw you or anyone. That whole saga went down right here on SWFUK - http://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15508. I let the bootleg collectors know ahead of time, in perfect good faith, that this sale was about to go down. Then a bunch of you guys jumped on me simply because it didn't happen in time. You guys were vicious and I couldn't understand it. Thankfully, a lot of you got in on some nice items because of the heads up. I'm sorry that you didn't get the ERG, but it went to Trevor, fair and square.

The MOC TFP incident. Ask Daren, he was involved. I moved aside for you to get it. I will write that again - I moved aside so you could have it. I wanted it bad, and I could have had it, because me and the seller had completed many deals, and we have the Turkish connection going on. But again, I was asked to move aside, and I did. I was being nice, a team player. It was expected that I move aside, and I did. So imagine my shock when you call me out publicly that I was trying to get it from you, underhandedly. Daren, feel free to post here if you like, that whole situation occurred because you made an honest miscalculation on why the seller was trying to move the TFP after agreeing with Joe (it had been over half a year and Joe hadn't paid for it yet - so she was asking, does Mete want it, I know he did, but he moved aside, but Joe isn't paying, and I want to be paid, so does he want it). I never initiated any of that dialog, and Daren and the seller will attest to that.

As for all the other stuff, friends saying this and that behind people's backs, people being nice to me because they want future Uzays, etc. Say what you want - I know who my friends are. And I've hooked up lots of people, with amazing pieces, and I honestly don't feel the need to list it all here, because I don't do it for public recognition, I did it to help friends. And that's how I know who my friends are, the ones I've helped, and the ones who have helped me back, just like you.

As far as me thinking I deserved that MOC blue star - that is 100% true. I apologized to that person, profusely, multiple times, and we are perfectly good friends now. I've hooked him up with a bunch of things that are now in his display case, just like you. Why did I apologize to him? Because I felt like a total dick in retrospect for thinking I deserved that piece. Since then I've let 2 one of a kind carded uzays go to someone else, a headman sword which I needed myself, and have sent nearly 10 private emails to friends who collect Uzays giving them a heads up one Turks looking to sell their figures. No middle man, I just give them their email, the prices, and let them buy stuff. Again, any sense of self-entitlement I had went away with that MOC blue star thing years ago. Hopefully the guy who had bought it recognizes that still, and if he has forgotten, I will apologize again.

Don't have much more to say - thanks for tuning in everyone. Hope it was a good listen. The Toy Tony thread is far more interesting anyways. Time to go drinkin' :mrgreen:

Turk

 

[Joseph_Y]

I wrote a long reply spewing with anger. A collector much wiser and level headed then me gave me some good advice. Flaming out is fun to watch, but obviously neither of us will sway eachother's opinions, Joe. We each have our own recollection of past events, and it will remain that way no matter what. People will think what they think. The rest is just entertainment for the spectators (hopefully its been good entertainment!). So I will just try to be as straight forward as possible, and bow out.

This entire hobby is based on trust. We trust that things aren't fake, tampered with, and that are friends are selling us things at fair prices. We trust they'll will be sent as promised, packed well, and bought in good faith. So when you lied 17 times to me in FB messages (yes, I counted, slightly pathetic I know) saying you weren't PK, when I knew you were, and it was later confirmed, all that trust goes out the window. And it really irked me, especially since we were trying to get along well. It felt like a slap in the face, just like how I me coming after you must have felt like a slap in the face as well.

Yes, I can totally admit I went after you, big time. It was my way of getting back at you - not for the way you welcomed me to the forums (got over that ages ago), or the past things (Uzay TFP, dark cape ERG), but for the lying. I consider myself an incredibly honest person, and I am human...being lied to sucks. I know you were protecting yourself by lying, but in a way it was a test - if you had said, yes I am PK, lets just keep it between you and me, then it would have been this nice opportunity to fortify our friendship, because I can tell you with 100% certainty, I wouldn't have told anyone had you asked me not to.

As for some of the other things you mentioned - the dark cape ERG. You just have to believe me dude (plus the evidence is in the thread) - Trevor emailed me first, there was no conspiracy, I was not out to screw you or anyone. That whole saga went down right here on SWFUK - http://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15508. I let the bootleg collectors know ahead of time, in perfect good faith, that this sale was about to go down. Then a bunch of you guys jumped on me simply because it didn't happen in time. You guys were vicious and I couldn't understand it. Thankfully, a lot of you got in on some nice items because of the heads up. I'm sorry that you didn't get the ERG, but it went to Trevor, fair and square.

The MOC TFP incident. Ask Daren, he was involved. I moved aside for you to get it. I will write that again - I moved aside so you could have it. I wanted it bad, and I could have had it, because me and the seller had completed many deals, and we have the Turkish connection going on. But again, I was asked to move aside, and I did. I was being nice, a team player. It was expected that I move aside, and I did. So imagine my shock when you call me out publicly that I was trying to get it from you, underhandedly. Daren, feel free to post here if you like, that whole situation occurred because you made an honest miscalculation on why the seller was trying to move the TFP after agreeing with Joe (it had been over half a year and Joe hadn't paid for it yet - so she was asking, does Mete want it, I know he did, but he moved aside, but Joe isn't paying, and I want to be paid, so does he want it). I never initiated any of that dialog, and Daren and the seller will attest to that.

As for all the other stuff, friends saying this and that behind people's backs, people being nice to me because they want future Uzays, etc. Say what you want - I know who my friends are. And I've hooked up lots of people, with amazing pieces, and I honestly don't feel the need to list it all here, because I don't do it for public recognition, I did it to help friends. And that's how I know who my friends are, the ones I've helped, and the ones who have helped me back, just like you.

As far as me thinking I deserved that MOC blue star - that is 100% true. I apologized to that person, profusely, multiple times, and we are perfectly good friends now. I've hooked him up with a bunch of things that are now in his display case, just like you. Why did I apologize to him? Because I felt like a total dick in retrospect for thinking I deserved that piece. Since then I've let 2 one of a kind carded uzays go to someone else, a headman sword which I needed myself, and have sent nearly 10 private emails to friends who collect Uzays giving them a heads up one Turks looking to sell their figures. No middle man, I just give them their email, the prices, and let them buy stuff. Again, any sense of self-entitlement I had went away with that MOC blue star thing years ago. Hopefully the guy who had bought it recognizes that still, and if he has forgotten, I will apologize again.

Don't have much more to say - thanks for tuning in everyone. Hope it was a good listen. The Toy Tony thread is far more interesting anyways. Time to go drinkin' :mrgreen:

Turk

IF you hadn't ALREADY outed the PK account, you would have gotten the truth, and have gotten let in on the joke....But you'd already started the witch hunt, so why would I tell you the truth in that situation?. As for Trevor getting the ERG "fair and square" I don't believe either of you, regardless of the former thread. There were shenanigans, just like how Trevor ended up with the Black 1st gen Leia that
Adam had already agreed to a deal and set a price with me for.
I see that you aren't fond of the FACT that there are people that are only your friends in the hobby because of what you can do for them, one has even told me as much. I've accepted that it's part of the pseudo politic game that happens to make collections grow. It ****s with your ability to trust folks. There are many people that if I stopped collecting tomorrow, would still be my friends, even if I had nothing to offer or sell them. But the transparency of many others actions seems to fly by your head, when I've grown to see it clearly. All the rest doesn't matter, and if in the long run, I'm wrong about any of those that I've counted as friends, once again it's on them, as I've accepted them in good faith.

Go have a drink, it's the only sensible thing you've said in all this :lol:
J

 

[turkdlit]

Haha, ok Joe. Since you're such a truthful guy, I'm sure everything you mention is rooted in fact. If I could only post the things your "friends" say about you, you'd probably have a another breakdown/fake selling up your collection.

Anyways, enjoy playing all those fun politics you mentioned. I must say it feels good to retire at an early age :mrgreen: cheerio,

 

[Joseph_Y]

Haha, ok Joe. Since you're such a truthful guy, I'm sure everything you mention is rooted in fact. If I could only post the things your "friends" say about you, you'd probably have a another breakdown/fake selling up your collection.

Anyways, enjoy playing all those fun politics you mentioned. I must say it feels good to retire at an early age :mrgreen: cheerio,

Not sure what your last comment is supposed to mean, asyou're far deeper into the politicking or shouldI say being played by those into the hobby politics that
you're blind to it.

As to your first bit of bs..... if someones too much of a ***** to tell me how they feel about me.... I actually feel bad for them. If I held my tongue when I hated someone as much as you're trying to make it seem others hate me, I wouldn't be able to respect myself as a man or as a collector.
Even when I collected protoypes. I spoke my mind when I disagreed
with the status quo. Funny how no one on 3rd world has
defended you, let alone called me out for anything. Just support.
So.... Either you're full of ****. Or you're calling a good portion of your peers
spineless bitches.

 

[Richard_H]

Guys I think we've hit an end point here now. As a neutral I think both sides have been clearly stated, and it's not going to improve.
Sit back, relax, enjoy a beer and look forward to 2014.

 

[turkdlit]

Yeah Joe, that's exactly what I'm saying, everyone is a spineless bitch :roll: good one. And you suggesting I'm a liar....well I think everyone here can see the irony in that!

Here's what I'm saying loud and clear - you're a liar. And everyone got to see it, front and center. Its not an opinion! I am fully (let me emphasize fully) aware of what people think of me and you...and apart from some who like you due to historical connections, lets just say, I'm not worrying about anything you on the other hand had to lie, scream and play games just to get some attention (remember that word infantile?)....well its actually quite sad to watch.

Go ahead....get that last word in! Don't stop trying to mislead the masses now.

 

[Joseph_Y]

Yeah Joe, that's exactly what I'm saying, everyone is a spineless bitch :roll: good one. And you suggesting I'm a liar....well I think everyone here can see the irony in that!

Here's what I'm saying loud and clear - you're a liar. And everyone got to see it, front and center. Its not an opinion! I am fully (let me emphasize fully) aware of what people think of me and you...and apart from some who like you due to historical connections, lets just say, I'm not worrying about anything you on the other hand had to lie, scream and play games just to get some attention (remember that word infantile?)....well its actually quite sad to watch.

Go ahead....get that last word in! Don't stop trying to mislead the masses now.

I don't think that lying to someone that I already distrust, ovet a sock acct, on a forum that I was wrongfully banned from is going to cost me any long term credibility, from anyone that matters You proved to me early on that I couldnt trust you, so telling you the truth would have only spoiled the fun sooner. That acct had nothing to do with wanting attention, it was merely to have fun and stir the pot. Sorry that your continuing feeble attempts to run me out of the hobby are falling on deaf ears.

Well I'm off to a local toy show, hopefully there'll be some 70s gold in the room.

 

[turkdlit]

Well that was fun. Have fun at the show!

 

[tiefighterboy]

I have told Joe many times how I felt about him. We are all good now (Agreed we are both assholes and arrogant). and I have never cared if I lost a connection to goods as If I do not like you...I really do not want your **** no matter what it ****ing is.

 

[Richard_H]

(Agreed we are both assholes and arrogant)

We call that American over here.



:lol:

 

[tiefighterboy]

(Agreed we are both assholes and arrogant)

We call that American over here.



:lol:

You just say that because you know I am far superior to you. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Joseph_Y]

I have told Joe many times how I felt about him. We are all good now (Agreed we are both assholes and arrogant). and I have never cared if I lost a connection to goods as If I do not like you...I really do not want your **** no matter what it ****ing is.

That's because we're a similar kind of arrogant asshole. That put together with my prefering to know where I stand w. people as opposed to being surrounded with ass kissing yes men
I can agree or disagree with people like Todd and it doesn't need to turn into a 5 page bitchfest or affect any friendship that we've developed.


Ps.... Huge completely unexpected historic find at the toy show. Pics here and on Tig when I get home. Still having post large purchase adrenaline rush from it...

 

[itfciain]

I've not always been your biggest fan Joe but it is good to see you posting on here - makes the place more interesting!

Not really sure I understand exactly what happened between you two guys but a bit of drama always makes for a good read :lol:

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

[


Ps.... Huge completely unexpected historic find at the toy show. Pics here and on Tig when I get home. Still having post large purchase adrenaline rush from it...[/quote]

Cant wait to find out more Joe!

 

[Joseph_Y]

Just got home, and already took some quick pics of todays haul. I'm going to re take a few of the pics as when I went to edit them, they didn't come out too good. Just for a teaser while I re shoot and edit them: I'll leave you with this...Pre production items are hard to come by, as we all know. Well pre production items from a knock off line are "almost" unheard of. I'll upload them as soon as I re take the ones that came out bad(I am the WORST photographer in the world...FACT). But they will be posted in the limelight section before the day here is over.

Cheers
J