Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

[edd_jedi]

Great Jason,thank you for coming through.

I must admit I'm concerned by the 138 ESB cards-no new characters.That could mean many things,but I for one hope no logo cards were there.

LEE

I believe that was referring to poor condition cards.

 

[_Lee_]

Further to my concern about the 138 ESB cards,I say this because there was a point made of 6 original carded SW Palitoy,if the ESB were carded it would be stated-no? Toni has had quite a few in over the years....food for thought.

 

[Dublinjeff]

It would appear everyone is happy with this list?

 

[lee gray]

Imagine even if those 11000 (or however many there was) unused cards were sold at £100 each, thats over a million pound

 

[JuniorChubb]

What caught my eye was the mention of un-usable bubbles.

Would 3 boxes cover this many cards? If so have bubbles been sourced from elsewhere, repro bubbles maybe?

Repro with dimples?

How far back in the thread are the dimple images?

How long have the repro bubbles been available? what other toy lines used similar sized bubbles in the 90's...?

Its just question after question :shock:

 

[_Lee_]

Great Jason,thank you for coming through.

I must admit I'm concerned by the 138 ESB cards-no new characters.That could mean many things,but I for one hope no logo cards were there.

LEE

I believe that was referring to poor condition cards.

Yes Eds,maybe but why we're they not referred to as German as the other ESB cards were mate?

 

[itfciain]

It would appear everyone is happy with this list?

Why do you say that Jeff?

I guess there is no way of proving its originality - especially online rather than in the flesh

 

[_Lee_]

Sadly,I think it's now official that TT has been ripping people off for years.

Very dark days.

 

[JuniorChubb]

Sadly,I think it's now official that TT has been ripping people off for years.

Very dark days.

Have we been Palpatined?

 

[mr_palitoy]

The list notes that the Tie Figthrer Pilots are (PALITOY ENGLISH). i.e Palitoy 45b

I believe the Bossk (1000 Approx) are also Palitoy 45b

As are the Chewbacca.

cheers Jason

 

[spoons]

What caught my eye was the mention of un-usable bubbles.

Would 3 boxes cover this many cards? If so have bubbles been sourced from elsewhere, repro bubbles maybe?

Repro with dimples?

How far back in the thread are the dimple images?

How long have the repro bubbles been available? what other toy lines used similar sized bubbles in the 90's...?

Way back :lol:

But they could have been sealed recently - certainly no ironing involved.

It would explain the various types too

I don't know who to believe but I've just taken a second look at my UK and German 45 backs, and the AFA German Stormtrooper has me worried.

Does anyone have an obviously shop bought double stemmed card, with a series of pin sized holes around the bubble. Should be two on the top, two on the left hand side and one on the bottom.

...

I will ask again....I have found more:

All three bubbles are different! We have two different single stem and one more double stem on Stormtrooper!



Does any one else have cards with that holes????

 

[ace]

It would appear everyone is happy with this list?

Why do you say that Jeff?

I guess there is no way of proving its originality - especially online rather than in the flesh

well if there is a conspiracy theory fan out there then i sagest that they go to companies house get the articles of incorporation that Toni and Arthur set up together and look at the hand writing.

i knew someone was going to say is this real .

its real i put up other i found like the phone numbers this stuff is real guys now can we please get down to the real task in hand putting a list of suspect figures

jason

 

[jedisearcher]

Palitoy ESB in the clear I believe? Apart from the poor TFP

 

[spoons]

The list notes that the Tie Figthrer Pilots are (PALITOY ENGLISH). i.e Palitoy 45b

I believe the Bossk (1000 Approx) are also Palitoy 45b

As are the Chewbacca.

cheers Jason

My concern is that with that many cards there could be a real mix. Would you check 1000 cards if the top 50 were German?

My Bossk posted earlier is 45B - happy for some scrutiny as there are no apparent flaws and a bit of sticker residue

 

[Dublinjeff]

It would appear everyone is happy with this list?

Why do you say that Jeff?

I guess there is no way of proving its originality - especially online rather than in the flesh

There's just something...

 

[mr_palitoy]

So figures that are well short of cardbacks are:-

C3P0 Removeable limbs
Death Star Droid
21B
Imperial Tie Fighter Pilot
Luke Farmboy
Imperial Hoth Trooper
Luke Bespin
Lobot
Luke Hoth
AT AT Driver
Chewbacca
Power Droid
Boba Fett
Rebel Commander
Bossk
Bespin Security Guard Black
IG88
Han Bespin
Stormtrooper
Han Hoth

Does that correspond to what is being bought on the ebay account?

cheers Jason

 

[Anonymous]

not sure if i mentioned this before but Bossk was a mint figure toni bought from me alot

The list notes that the Tie Figthrer Pilots are (PALITOY ENGLISH). i.e Palitoy 45b

I believe the Bossk (1000 Approx) are also Palitoy 45b

As are the Chewbacca.

cheers Jason

 

[mr_palitoy]

Looking at Joe's thread, all of the figures bought on the first page are figures showing up short of figures for cardbacks on JJ's list.

That's pretty damning,

Jason

 

[jedisearcher]

One thing might be worth checking against the old Model Marts mags that people have:

The 24x Italian Promotion Packs - Paploo, Vader, Leia Hoth, Imperial Commander.

Wouldn't they have been quite unusual back in the day? With 24 to sell he might have listed them in the magazine? If you find a load of those for sale by TT that would be more evidence.

Also, some of the vehicles on the list are on TT's website as well. Droids ATL, Speeder bikes, Skiffs, Rebo, Chase Set, Hoth Rescue - they're all there.

 

[_Lee_]

As someone who bought from Toni years back,I can also state that he had loads of Palitoy logo 45 back Bespin Guards.He had shitloads of them,and was when Palitoy collecting went crazy,they flew out i beleive.

They are a very common figure in the scheme of things,but i wonder...

 

[escapist]

I did some very non-scientific quick maths.

Top 10 carded figures from "The List" (summed together so I am incorporating both ESB and ROTJ cards)

1 - C3PO
2 - Hoth Stormtrooper
3 - Bossk
4 - Luke Farm
5 - 21B
6 - Han Hoth
7 - Stormtrooper
8 - Boba Fett
9 - Lobot
10 - DSD


Top 10 carded figures SOLD on ebay between 2007 and 2013

1 - Hoth Stormtrooper
2 - C3PO
3 - Chewie
4 - IG88
5 - Walrus Man
6 - Han Hoth
7 - Luke Bespin
8 - Boba Fett
9 - At-at driver
10 - White Bespin Guard

Not sure if that helps really.

 

[jedisearcher]

As someone who bought from Toni years back,I can also state that he had loads of Palitoy logo 45 back Bespin Guards.He had shitloads of them,and was when Palitoy collecting went crazy,they flew out i beleive.

They are a very common figure in the scheme of things,but i wonder...

Woudn't they have a waffle seal tho? 45a's?

 

[_Lee_]

The more i look at the bubble description,the more im thinking that some bubbles were not meant for SW figures at all.It doesnt state they are damaged,so why can only 3 boxes be used?? Perhaps some carded figures made recently have been using the wrong bubbles,therefore creating wrong info.

Jesus christ-this hobby is ******!

 

[Caswellbot]

Well done for finding and posting the list Jason. It certainly looks like this is being wrapped up. It is a long way from over for many but i think there can be little to no doubt that this was taking place for many years.

I stay for the school carol concert and miss all this! Typical.

 

[poncho]

Jesus christ-this hobby is ******!

there will be a alot of collectors worried right now thats for sure :?

 

[tiefighterboy]

It would appear everyone is happy with this list?

Why do you say that Jeff?

I guess there is no way of proving its originality - especially online rather than in the flesh

There's just something...

You seen it too?

 

[mr_palitoy]

1560 C3P0 Removeable limbs
1120 Imperial Hoth Trooper
998 Bossk
883 Luke Farmboy
562 21B
516 Stormtrooper
480 Boba Fett
459 Lobot
415 Death Star Droid
392 Han Hoth
355 AT AT Driver
313 Bespin Security Guard Black
274 IG88
272 Chewbacca
257 Imperial Tie Fighter Pilot
187 Han Solo
141 Rebel Commander
140 R2D2 Sensorscope
135 Ben Kenobi
129 Luke Bespin
129 Han Bespin
125 Cloud Car Pilot
115 Power Droid
103 Luke Hoth
77 Leia Bespin
67 Logray
57 Lando Skiff Guard
50 Bespin Security Guard White
49 Leia Hoth
31 Gamorrean Guard
25 Leia Boussh
22 FX-7

Here's the list again with some additions, the number of figures for cardbacks available he's short and sorted descending.

cherrs Jason

 

[mr_palitoy]

All of the above are on that list.

Jason

 

[Palifan]

Looks like saber1977 may have lost a customer! :lol:

 

[escapist]

Logray??? Seriously why would anyone re-card him????