Caswellbot
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Agreed. Seems like a fairly bizarre situation to me. :?
Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.
- Thread starter Grant_C
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no this is over, it will take time for people to take it in and understand but its over.
i really think closure is now needed
When i dig out the list i will publish it so its public and so all collectors that are affected by this can at least know what the figures are.
then everyone will have this info so they can make the choice before buying that what they seem to be may not be what it is 100%
sorry for being the messenger on this i really am sorry this is going to affect a lot of collators now
not a good few day
jason
i really think closure is now needed
When i dig out the list i will publish it so its public and so all collectors that are affected by this can at least know what the figures are.
then everyone will have this info so they can make the choice before buying that what they seem to be may not be what it is 100%
sorry for being the messenger on this i really am sorry this is going to affect a lot of collators now
not a good few day
jason
mr_palitoy
Sith Lord
Assuming the 25,000 cardbacks deal is true, this would indicate that Arthur received a % of the profits that Toni made on them up until 2004, at which
point he bought Arthur out.
Jason
point he bought Arthur out.
Jason
Jason- you need to publish your smoking gun.
Otherwise this thread is conspiracy without fact.
I would prioritise this as I believe you have the attention of many collectors whom need a conclusion and cannot be left on pins and needles.
Like we have discussed privately- I am grateful that you are here, but lets separate the garnish and see the protein.
Best Wishes,
Grant
Otherwise this thread is conspiracy without fact.
I would prioritise this as I believe you have the attention of many collectors whom need a conclusion and cannot be left on pins and needles.
Like we have discussed privately- I am grateful that you are here, but lets separate the garnish and see the protein.
Best Wishes,
Grant
As someone who's bought just the one MOC from "Marsking" before i've followed this thread quite closely. One question i have, if all of this is true, where did he get all the minty figures from to put in the bubbles/cardbacks? Palitoy factory before it closed down?
Don't know who to believe especially as "ace" has a seemingly shady past from what i've read.
Just my two penny...
Don't know who to believe especially as "ace" has a seemingly shady past from what i've read.
Just my two penny...
Maulster79 said:
Grant i understand how important it is to fellow collators to put closure on this and so they all know where they stand .
the task of going through 20 years of old business history is a large task for me and is something i planed to do over the holidays anyway .
this is now even more important than before as i feel we will not be getting much more info from other sources now.
so i Promesse that i will take the time out over the holiday to dig this list out and publish it in full so this info is out in the public domain.
i am a collector my self and can feel how some of you are feeling tonight and as such i will not rest till its public
sincerely
Jason
mr_palitoy
Sith Lord
rhyfelyser said:
I think the list will include mint figures. Others mint figures were bought back in the day when there weren't enough for the number of cardbacks.
Jason
Great.- Thankyou.
To be honest guys- this thread is dead unless Toni wants to add anything until Jason provides his evidence.
Don't you think?
To be honest guys- this thread is dead unless Toni wants to add anything until Jason provides his evidence.
Don't you think?
just buy the afa 85-90's and beater moc's 
honestly there are thousands of minty figures out there, maybe thats why they are drip fed, as and when they are sealed, maybe they are being sealed right now??
its a lot of speculation, interesting though.
honestly there are thousands of minty figures out there, maybe thats why they are drip fed, as and when they are sealed, maybe they are being sealed right now??
its a lot of speculation, interesting though.
I'm still not sure what everyone is hoping to achieve from all this. It has been common knowledge for many years that Toni has millions of mint carded figures, I'm amazed at some of the people that seem to be surprised by this 'revelation' and the effect it will have on the value of their collection. All this hounding is likely to do is stop him selling them any more, and potentially crash the value of ones that have already been sold. Personally I've never been stupid enough to think anything he sells is rare, but I have bought from him many times and it's comforting to know there's a steady supplier of top quality MOCs out there (one of the last suppliers may I add.)
I think we all agree it's unlikely (although possible) that they have been sealed more recently than the 80s. What does it matter anyway - if so they're indistinguishable from the real thing even by AFA. As Joe said earlier maybe that's not 'right' but it's a fact, and we're talking about toys here after all.
I think we all agree it's unlikely (although possible) that they have been sealed more recently than the 80s. What does it matter anyway - if so they're indistinguishable from the real thing even by AFA. As Joe said earlier maybe that's not 'right' but it's a fact, and we're talking about toys here after all.
edd_jedi said:
Well edd_jedi why people are unhappy as its wrong what he has done and many many people have spent many £1000s on things that are not what they seem.
the thing was edd_jedi when you posted this Toni was on here reading but had decided to not say anything.
and the cards figures and bubbles were offered well after the Palitoy company had closed so these were un-carded at the time they were offered to me , so i think its time we star to understand the simple truth these were sold as un-carded figures , card and bubbles , and then have been put together much later .
thats why this is all very wrong , i have also been told that there maybe some versions of the figures on the wrong card , i e a later version of a figures on the earlier card so there is some more things coming up t back this up , as soon as i have photos i will put them up , but the drought is over now
edd_jedi said:
Maybe he should have come on here and just tell us him self and stop us all having to work it out ?.
i know when he posted lies about me i was straight on here with a response i did not need to think up a response i gave a detailed reply of what i remembered right away it was not hard for me as it was the truth .
sorry he told me at the time he bought them and he was buying up lose figures to put on them back then also , you can believe what you want to i know what he was doing then as i was there , the end
jason
Mr Bailey contacted me with a request for help regarding web development and possible finance as he wanted to devlop a site similar to what is now ABE books but for toys - I had mentioned that I had contacts in web deveopment in a conversation we had had and at the time designing and building webisites was a pretty complex and specialised business. I said I would look into it but I didnt want it having anything to do with my toy business as a sole trader. So he suggested that he could register a company and if anything came of the project it could be run through that-I said OK sent him whatever it was £50 or so signed a form that he sent me and that was it.I made a few preliminary enquiries but nothing came of the idea it was just a name on the company register he may have continued payments to keep the name registered I have no idea .End of story.
While I'e never met Toni or Jason,
Jasons reputation for both having a giant collection, but also rumors of his selling fake props, fake prototypes and general, over the top claims precedes him. Google the mans name and see some of the storys that come up.... ALL true or ALL just jealous people trying to discredit him?? Hmm questions
Toni's reputation for having made a great score on tons of MOC figures,good service and fair prices, and the condition of the items offered, precedes him. Rumors out there of these being sealed post production, here and there...once again jealousy or fact under the surface??
How about if someone that has a German piece that definitely traces back to Toni, and someone that has a worn German moc send them BOTH to AFA or UKG to compare the glue used under a microscope. If everything matches...then the claim about them being glued later than production is proven to be just that...a rumor.
If there's an issue with the process being different, then obviously this is a HUGE shake up in the foreign (from US) market, and it will devalue thousands of collections, as an original factory sealed item, is not and should not be worth the same as an item glued at a later date. Saying that there's no difference is like saying that the "Blue Harvest" micro 4 ups and other HCs are worth the same as real hardcopys because they came from the same mold....
How does that proposal to have the seals compared sound?? IF I still owned any of the items that I'd gotten from Toni, I'd gladly volunteer them for this experiment.
Cheers
Joe
Jasons reputation for both having a giant collection, but also rumors of his selling fake props, fake prototypes and general, over the top claims precedes him. Google the mans name and see some of the storys that come up.... ALL true or ALL just jealous people trying to discredit him?? Hmm questions
Toni's reputation for having made a great score on tons of MOC figures,good service and fair prices, and the condition of the items offered, precedes him. Rumors out there of these being sealed post production, here and there...once again jealousy or fact under the surface??
How about if someone that has a German piece that definitely traces back to Toni, and someone that has a worn German moc send them BOTH to AFA or UKG to compare the glue used under a microscope. If everything matches...then the claim about them being glued later than production is proven to be just that...a rumor.
If there's an issue with the process being different, then obviously this is a HUGE shake up in the foreign (from US) market, and it will devalue thousands of collections, as an original factory sealed item, is not and should not be worth the same as an item glued at a later date. Saying that there's no difference is like saying that the "Blue Harvest" micro 4 ups and other HCs are worth the same as real hardcopys because they came from the same mold....
How does that proposal to have the seals compared sound?? IF I still owned any of the items that I'd gotten from Toni, I'd gladly volunteer them for this experiment.
Cheers
Joe
tiefighterboy
Grand Master
TOYTONI said:
That totally clears up if you heat sealed figures to card backs in the 90's. :roll:
Mr-shifter
Sith Lord
tiefighterboy said:
It clears up the issue around the odd company that he and Arthur had and he has already denied the late sealed cards story in his earlier post. Jason has not yet produced anything other than ill will towards Toni and those that seem to know a bit about this process are not nearly convinced it would have been viable back in the day.
For me it comes down to reputations until I see some more evidence. One guys rep is very good, the others, well let's say Jason's due diligence was done a lot quicker than Toni's.
It had made for an interesting discussion though.
BadMotivator
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Mr-shifter said:
It doesn't clear up the issue of the old company at all in my opinion. The idea that someone you hardly know calls you up and you agree to be a director for a company they're setting up is ridiculous. Directorship comes with all sorts of liabilities. You'd only enter into it with someone you knew and trusted.
Richard_H
Grand Master
Totally agree on that point. There'd be solicitors involved etc it's not something you can enter lightly
