Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

[Grant_C]

Jason, please take the time needed to find and scan those old documents and maybe bring some more evidence to the discussion. While Toni and yourself might go in circles if you hash this out in this thread (both denying each others claims) the reality is that you are the only two on this forum that know the truth, one of you is lying and it's important for the community to know who that person is.

 

[tiefighterboy]

Jason, please take the time needed to find and scan those old documents and maybe bring some more evidence to the discussion. While Toni and yourself might go in circles if you hash this out in this thread (both denying each others claims) the reality is that you are the only two on this forum that know the truth, one of you is lying and it's important for the community to know who that person is.

Exactly. I am about to the point where I am going to take a real cardback...apply a hot piece of metal to it and show the results.

 

[Mr-shifter]

Hi guys,

I have followed this thread with great interest over the past few days as it has developed. I have been doing a bit of rooting around on the internet and I have found something that bothered me slightly. There may be nothing in it but "ace" mentioned the name Arthur Bailey in an earlier post, and Toni responded by saying he had dealings with an Arthur in the late 80's/early 90's.

I found this:

http://www.companieslist.co.uk/03819698-xceptional-limited

Don't know wether it is relevant or not but the impression I got from Toni's post was that his dealings with "Arthur" were a decade or so before this. Not sure if it is even the same Arthur as aces claim was he was in the peterborough area, but a search of zoopla indicates the address in Huddersfield was purchased in June 98 and Sold in April 07 so I guess it could be the same guy.

As I said, it might not be relevant and there could be a perfectly good explanation. I thought I would put it out there anyway. Love a good conspiracy theory, me.

 

[mr_palitoy]

Hi guys,

I have followed this thread with great interest over the past few days as it has developed. I have been doing a bit of rooting around on the internet and I have found something that bothered me slightly. There may be nothing in it but "ace" mentioned the name Arthur Bailey in an earlier post, and Toni responded by saying he had dealings with an Arthur in the late 80's/early 90's.

I found this:

http://www.companieslist.co.uk/03819698-xceptional-limited

Don't know wether it is relevant or not but the impression I got from Toni's post was that his dealings with "Arthur" were a decade or so before this. Not sure if it is even the same Arthur as aces claim was he was in the peterborough area, but a search of zoopla indicates the address in Huddersfield was purchased in June 98 and Sold in April 07 so I guess it could be the same guy.

As I said, it might not be relevant and there could be a perfectly good explanation. I thought I would put it out there anyway. Love a good conspiracy theory, me.

I think this shows that Toni has been in bed with Arthur a hell of a lot more than he has been letting on to.



Jason

 

[DarthStanley]

Hi guys,

I have followed this thread with great interest over the past few days as it has developed. I have been doing a bit of rooting around on the internet and I have found something that bothered me slightly. There may be nothing in it but "ace" mentioned the name Arthur Bailey in an earlier post, and Toni responded by saying he had dealings with an Arthur in the late 80's/early 90's.

I found this:

http://www.companieslist.co.uk/03819698-xceptional-limited

Don't know wether it is relevant or not but the impression I got from Toni's post was that his dealings with "Arthur" were a decade or so before this. Not sure if it is even the same Arthur as aces claim was he was in the peterborough area, but a search of zoopla indicates the address in Huddersfield was purchased in June 98 and Sold in April 07 so I guess it could be the same guy.

As I said, it might not be relevant and there could be a perfectly good explanation. I thought I would put it out there anyway. Love a good conspiracy theory, me.

What am I missing here or am I being thick as usual? :lol:

 

[Richard_H]

I'm glad someone posted that first as I was thinking the same :lol:

 

[mr_palitoy]

So it appears it's not just German MOC that is in question, but ESB and ROTJ Palitoy as well.

In the same way that I made a list of the common German MOC that have been sold by Toni based on Wolfgangs rarity guide,
here is a list of Palitoy MOC that are common and can be found in larger numbers on the AFA archive in mint condition.

This list will roughly match the MOCs that Toni has been selling over the years.

These are a mixture of 45 and 65 backs:-
ROTJ 2-1b
ROTJ Imperial Stormtrooper Hoth
ROTJ Boba Fett
ROTJ C3P0 Removable Limbs
ROTJ Han Solo
ROTJ Lobot
ROTJ Luke Skywalker Hoth
ROTJ Leia Boussh
ROTJ Luke Skywalker
ROTJ Luke Bespin
ROTJ Lando Calrissian

These are offerless 45 back:-
ESB Imperial Tie Fighter Pilot
ESB Chewbacca
ESB Bossk

There are others that I could add to this by examining the AFA population report.

Pretty much most of my AFA 90 Palitoy MOC focus.



Jason

 

[Richard_H]

Jason what are you saying? It isn't clear.

 

[tiefighterboy]

This is one hell of a fun snipe hunt. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Mr-shifter]

Hi guys,

I have followed this thread with great interest over the past few days as it has developed. I have been doing a bit of rooting around on the internet and I have found something that bothered me slightly. There may be nothing in it but "ace" mentioned the name Arthur Bailey in an earlier post, and Toni responded by saying he had dealings with an Arthur in the late 80's/early 90's.

I found this:

http://www.companieslist.co.uk/03819698-xceptional-limited

Don't know wether it is relevant or not but the impression I got from Toni's post was that his dealings with "Arthur" were a decade or so before this. Not sure if it is even the same Arthur as aces claim was he was in the peterborough area, but a search of zoopla indicates the address in Huddersfield was purchased in June 98 and Sold in April 07 so I guess it could be the same guy.

As I said, it might not be relevant and there could be a perfectly good explanation. I thought I would put it out there anyway. Love a good conspiracy theory, me.

What am I missing here or am I being thick as usual? :lol:

Sorry, the link didn't work as I thought it would. Go to the webpage and you will see it is the records for a company called exceptional limited. Its defunct, but the interesting bit is on the tab entitled "company directors and board members". Names and dates.

 

[mr_palitoy]

Jason what are you saying? It isn't clear.

The alleged list of cards that were not assembled when sold includes Palitoy ESB/ROTJ cards as well as German cards.

Based on knowing that, I was drawing up a likely list of affected figure/card combos.

I know a bit about rarity as I have an AFA 90 Palitoy MOC focus.

Jason

 

[mr_palitoy]

Hi guys,

I have followed this thread with great interest over the past few days as it has developed. I have been doing a bit of rooting around on the internet and I have found something that bothered me slightly. There may be nothing in it but "ace" mentioned the name Arthur Bailey in an earlier post, and Toni responded by saying he had dealings with an Arthur in the late 80's/early 90's.

I found this:

http://www.companieslist.co.uk/03819698-xceptional-limited

Don't know wether it is relevant or not but the impression I got from Toni's post was that his dealings with "Arthur" were a decade or so before this. Not sure if it is even the same Arthur as aces claim was he was in the peterborough area, but a search of zoopla indicates the address in Huddersfield was purchased in June 98 and Sold in April 07 so I guess it could be the same guy.

As I said, it might not be relevant and there could be a perfectly good explanation. I thought I would put it out there anyway. Love a good conspiracy theory, me.

What am I missing here or am I being thick as usual? :lol:

Sorry, the link didn't work as I thought it would. Go to the webpage and you will see it is the records for a company called exceptional limited. Its defunct, but the interesting bit is on the tab entitled "company directors and board members". Names and dates.

Company directors and board members:

ANTONI EMCHOWICZ
Secretary, RETAILER, 1999.08.11 - 2004.11.23
17 DAUBIGNY ROAD , BRIGHTON
BN2 3FT, EAST SUSSEX
ARTHUR BAILEY
Director, RETAILER, 1999.08.11 - 2004.11.23
22 NEAR BANK SHELLEY , HUDDERSFIELD
HD8 8LS, WEST YORKSHIRE
BLACKFRIAR SECRETARIES LIMITED
Nominee Secretary, 1999.08.04 - 1999.08.11
44 UPPER BELGRAVE ROAD CLIFTON , BRISTOL
BS8 2XN, AVON
BLACKFRIAR DIRECTORS LIMITED
Nominee Director, 1999.08.04 - 1999.08.11
44 UPPER BELGRAVE ROAD CLIFTON , BRISTOL
BS8 2XN, AVON

Jason

 

[Richard_H]

Oh I get it. Antoni and Arthur.

 

[JuniorChubb]

I'm glad someone posted that first as I was thinking the same :lol:

If you go to the 'Company directors and board members tab' on the right you will see some interesting information, that could tie two names together a bit more closely and recently than previously thought depending on how you interpret it.

Oops, Jason beat me to it

 

[Joe]

Ok so according to that page they were both directors in the same company up until 2004, which is interesting but let's not forget what Toni actually said:

I have completely lost touch with Arthur since he went on to other things and have had no contact with him for over 10 years.

He wasn't bang on with the amount of time that has passed since 2004 but he was close, it's entirely likely since that business partnership ended they haven't actually spoken.

I'm not going to read too much into that business listing.

 

[spoons]

A fair point Joe, but good investigating by Mr Shifter

 

[ace]

I did indeed buy various toys from a dealer called Arthur in the 80s and early 90s

He had a reputation for getting old stock and had good contacts in the regular toy trade.

He was one of several dealers that I bought carded Star Wars from.

He seemed a nice guy who seemed always short of cash and often offered items which he didn't exactly have but could get his hands on if he could make the sale in advance .

So at times it wasn't clear if he actually had the goods or just new a man who had them .

I do remember there indeed was a list of items which included unused cards but these never materialised I never saw any or was offered any samples from him .

I ended up buying quite large quantities of carded figures from him which were a mix of Kenner ,POTF,Palitoy.,german General Mills and Trilogo non of which came in trade boxes

The way Toni talked in his only post it really sounded like he did not really know Arthur very well at all.


But now we know that is far from the case , when in fact Toni and Arthur were both Directors of the same company for 5 years from June 99 to April 04 called Xceptional limited



maybe its very simple Toni has a very bad memory and as he seems to have forgotten his 5 you long directorship with Arthur maybe its the same bad memory that means he has forgotten the 25,000 cards , figures and bubbles he bought or did he just buy into from Arthur back then also ?

Toni this is over mate

i think its your turn to say something now, and i think you owe this to the collators all around the world that has bought these items from you to here the truth from you .

i look forward to that post

Jason

 

[itfciain]

I would certainly say that this doesn't tally with the sort of relationship that Toni implied in his post. Can anyone find what this company did/sold?

 

[Mr-shifter]

I did indeed buy various toys from a dealer called Arthur in the 80s and early 90s

He had a reputation for getting old stock and had good contacts in the regular toy trade.

He was one of several dealers that I bought carded Star Wars from.

He seemed a nice guy who seemed always short of cash and often offered items which he didn't exactly have but could get his hands on if he could make the sale in advance .

So at times it wasn't clear if he actually had the goods or just new a man who had them .

I do remember there indeed was a list of items which included unused cards but these never materialised I never saw any or was offered any samples from him .

I ended up buying quite large quantities of carded figures from him which were a mix of Kenner ,POTF,Palitoy.,german General Mills and Trilogo non of which came in trade boxes

The way Toni talked in his only post it really sounded like he did not really know Arthur very well at all.


But now we know that is far from the case , when in fact Toni and Arthur were both Directors of the same company for 5 years from June 99 to April 04 called Xceptional limited

It was that particular part of Toni's statement that bothered me with regards to the additional evidence that I had found.

I would also like to point out, that all I have found is a record from company house that would indicate that Toni was involved in a business with a guy called Arthur Bailey for five years. It doesn't state what the company did, wether they were active, wether it even has anything to do with this. For me, it was food for thought, that is all.

 

[Hothrebel]

I think some sort of statement from Toni wouldn't go a miss?