Just a quick question. Are there physical differences between the legit and non legit samples of the same figure. The reason I ask is that my suspect German 45 Yoda, has a very firm thick bubble,whereas my non-suspect sample has a much more flimsy and thin bubble, so when you lightly apply pressure, especially on the bottom footer area, it crinkles with a crinkly sound to match. The suspect sample does not do this.
Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.
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mr_palitoy
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Red card for Emchowicz!
Jason
plantman said:
TTs ebay accout "marsking" not being registered as a business account on ebay (which is actually illegal to do so now i think?) means that he probably has not been declaring the revenue from the 10 years or so of sales .im sure the tax man would be interested in that also when its more than clear he is a business :wink: could be some real tax avation goin on with ebay that account , just thought i throw that in for all the scorned people looking for some additional armoury
jambobbyb said:
Yeah- just the sold stuff in his AFA section.
mr_palitoy
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jambobbyb said:
You can still see what was on that page using the wayback archive:-
http://web.archive.org/web/20110524071053/http://www.toytoni.com/
cheers Jason
mr_palitoy
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His European page with German and Clippers on it has also gone.
cheers Jason
cheers Jason
Admission of guilt?
Why would he stop selling them if they were fine?
Why would he stop selling them if they were fine?
mr_palitoy
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Maulster79 said:
The big question is has he removed the stuff that the community have outed as dodgy or removed the stuff that he knows is dodgy?
His kenner/tri logo pages are still up and that stuff has been in the clear.
cheers Jason
mr_palitoy
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Either way, it's a good for the collecting community that those pieces are no longer being offered for sale.
Jason
Jason
Maybe its time to also inform other outlets like Vectis ? and other 3rd party companies that may still get cough up in this nasty situation ?
dose anyone here know anyone personally at Vectis ? http://www.vectis.co.uk ?/
it would be best coming from someone they know.
where else would Toni be able to sell off this stuff ? its worth all having a think and giving them the heads up .
Jason i think its time to put together a short statement of fact and only fact we can prove so we can give that out when people ask about this matter .
maybe its time to talk to some of the experts to help word this statement and to get an agreement on what we can prove , i think maybe someone should start closed forum thread and invite some of the pillars of the collection community that are also experts to talk frankly about this matter and then put out a jointly agreed statement ? i really think its time now.
jason and Wolf are you up for putting a little more time in on this to bring it to a conclusion and help out on a expert thread to work out what happened ?
as from the start i am happy to help in any way moving forward
jason
dose anyone here know anyone personally at Vectis ? http://www.vectis.co.uk ?/
it would be best coming from someone they know.
where else would Toni be able to sell off this stuff ? its worth all having a think and giving them the heads up .
Jason i think its time to put together a short statement of fact and only fact we can prove so we can give that out when people ask about this matter .
maybe its time to talk to some of the experts to help word this statement and to get an agreement on what we can prove , i think maybe someone should start closed forum thread and invite some of the pillars of the collection community that are also experts to talk frankly about this matter and then put out a jointly agreed statement ? i really think its time now.
jason and Wolf are you up for putting a little more time in on this to bring it to a conclusion and help out on a expert thread to work out what happened ?
as from the start i am happy to help in any way moving forward
jason
mr_palitoy
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ace said:
Hi Jason, Kathy Taylor at Vectis is aware of the situation. They are not selling affected pieces for the time being.
Have edited my palitoy guide with the relevant information for now.
cheers Jason
mr_palitoy said:
good job jason and what i have come to expect from you mate .
one other thing that is just hear say but i wanted to let others know anyway
when i was at the NEC toy show last week i was talking to some of the dealers about this situation and one dealer said that Toni was trying to sell of some of the high end stuff he had and would move to Thailand ? i asked why did he think that and he said that seemingly Toni is signal and visits Thailand a lot and likes it out there ?
as i say it was hear say but i wanted others to be aware of what i was told ?
jason
mr_palitoy
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ace said:
If you google his name, the first site that comes up is his flickr account:-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aemchowicz/
He is a reef diver/photographer and has some great pictures of sharks on there. Thailand has some great underwater dives
and is a cheap place to live so that would make sense.
cheers Jason
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The thing that makes the Internet a darling when it comes to hobbying are the things that also make it a source of frustration when it comes to trying to restrict or arrest the movement of illegitimate goods.
For instance, there are goods circulating through comic consignment houses and auctions that trace back to scandals from over 6-8 years ago, and in some cases even longer. Which was one of the reasons behind my suggestion that we have some mechanism to lookup serial numbers as people will get the idea that this is merely speculation, and that graded items are legit until someone "proves" them otherwise.
Now, while I think giving Vectis, and BT and even auctioneers who are known to sell this type of stuff a heads-up, there is no one at the moment that is going to stick out their neck and sign their name on a document which suggests that these are "counterfeits." Just ask the good chaps who tried as much with the Scott McWilliam's scandal - collateral damage is a very real problem in these situations.
Having seen this play over in the vintage comic hobby, the best bet we've got (at least until we have 100% ironclad, uncontestable proof) is a concerted community response. Something like a thread which lists questionable/suspect goods found in the wild, with a brief summary of the allegations and why these items should be frozen and not sold, and when a piece surfaces, someone takes the initiative to notify the seller and post a link to their auction. Of course you're still going to get some renegades who will ignore the requests, but anybody who values their reputation will abide.
There is another angle in the short term which could be useful to this endeavour, but it will require someone who will inspect Toni MOC's and put their name to a document suggesting Toni was selling "fakes" or "counterfeits." I've tried this and unfortunately haven't turned up anything for the time being so if anyone has any suggestions on this, or someone is willing to volunteer, then please chime-in or contact me as this could really open up some possibilities.
For instance, there are goods circulating through comic consignment houses and auctions that trace back to scandals from over 6-8 years ago, and in some cases even longer. Which was one of the reasons behind my suggestion that we have some mechanism to lookup serial numbers as people will get the idea that this is merely speculation, and that graded items are legit until someone "proves" them otherwise.
Now, while I think giving Vectis, and BT and even auctioneers who are known to sell this type of stuff a heads-up, there is no one at the moment that is going to stick out their neck and sign their name on a document which suggests that these are "counterfeits." Just ask the good chaps who tried as much with the Scott McWilliam's scandal - collateral damage is a very real problem in these situations.
Having seen this play over in the vintage comic hobby, the best bet we've got (at least until we have 100% ironclad, uncontestable proof) is a concerted community response. Something like a thread which lists questionable/suspect goods found in the wild, with a brief summary of the allegations and why these items should be frozen and not sold, and when a piece surfaces, someone takes the initiative to notify the seller and post a link to their auction. Of course you're still going to get some renegades who will ignore the requests, but anybody who values their reputation will abide.
There is another angle in the short term which could be useful to this endeavour, but it will require someone who will inspect Toni MOC's and put their name to a document suggesting Toni was selling "fakes" or "counterfeits." I've tried this and unfortunately haven't turned up anything for the time being so if anyone has any suggestions on this, or someone is willing to volunteer, then please chime-in or contact me as this could really open up some possibilities.
The main problem as I see it at present is e-bay its too easy to unload these on unsuspecting collectors. If someone started an auction for one of each type of these affected figures and put a link to this discussion in the auction and two of us can bid it up to some ridiculous price to draw attention to it, it would make people who don't use the forum boards aware these are possibly bad.
Something like for sale one Palitoy Jedi fett, click in this link to see the discussion on why this figure is worth the 10k and just link it to the discussion here or RS bid it up high and then cancel the auction before it ends.
Something like for sale one Palitoy Jedi fett, click in this link to see the discussion on why this figure is worth the 10k and just link it to the discussion here or RS bid it up high and then cancel the auction before it ends.
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People shouldn't let Toni's possible runner stop them opening up small claims cases, or otherwise trying to get their money back through other legal sources.
He's unlikely to be gone for good, he'll just be laying low for a while and will return to the UK at some point in the future. It happens all the time.
Claims need to logged against him now so if he tries to get a visa in the future it may come out in his application, or when he comes home in afew years you've still got the means to pursue him.
If it's not logged your money is gone for good.
Chris
He's unlikely to be gone for good, he'll just be laying low for a while and will return to the UK at some point in the future. It happens all the time.
Claims need to logged against him now so if he tries to get a visa in the future it may come out in his application, or when he comes home in afew years you've still got the means to pursue him.
If it's not logged your money is gone for good.
Chris
Richard_H
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Done.
How do you avoid paying the seller fees?
How do you avoid paying the seller fees?
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jambobbyb said:
Yeah it's got a big read arrow on it anyway so it's not as described! :lol:
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