Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

[M_Rendahl]

Well, Al Capone was prisoned for tax crimes and not for murder etc.

I'm very busy at the moment and have been wanting to chime in more. My post about the c-3po is only for that card/character since I've only been able to compare that one with an unused cardback. Print errors occur all the time and can easily slip through any QC guy. But the chances of unused cardbacks and mint moc's with the exact same small print error are none to slim, especially since all other c-3po's Ive seen (used hardbacks, other moc's etc) dont have those errors. So I'd bet my collection the c-3po's are home made. The others I dont know until Ive been able to compare them with unused cardbacks. I will recieve some pics during the holidays and I'll post my info about others here as soon as Ive got something new. But the other "evidence" Ive seen speaks clearly for itself, an more is coming every day.

I'm actually quite surprised by two things:
1. Many seem to be ok with this and trying to find a name for what it is. Sure it's only vintage parts used. But if I'd find a draft made my Picasso, oil paint tubes and brushes he used to own. It sure doesnt make it a Picasso just because I used his original stuff to make the painting. It's bad stuff no matter how you look at it imo.
2. Maybe more disgusted than surprised by how many ppl are trying to jump ship and sell their TT moc's on ebay to poor bastards that doesnt have a clue what is going on behind the scenes.

I'm impressed by all the work so many have done, great detective work guys. Maybe its not a "real" court case yet, but I'm sure the collecting community court knows exactly how to rule already.

Mattias

 

[Stormtrooper37]

2. Maybe more disgusted than surprised by how many ppl are trying to jump ship and sell their TT moc's on ebay to poor bastards that doesnt have a clue what is going on behind the scenes.

Mattias

Are they??

What MOC's are those??

 

[Richard_H]

I really hope these ebay sales are coincidental.

Although I bet I got a lot of "should have done their research" comments.

 

[sandtrooper-5]

Also Iron Method? Hoth Trooper Palitoy 65 Back - same scuff marks as the Fett. Malheated bubble. Also check the area around the hanger tab where it looks like there is an indent of another hanger tab where another card was resting on top. V shaped imprint at stem.

077 by Caswell2009, on Flickr

078 by Caswell2009, on Flickr

079 by Caswell2009, on Flickr

079 by Caswell2009, on Flickr

080 by Caswell2009, on Flickr

I got 2 Snowtroopers (Upside Stem, Double Stem) look like closed in the same method

 

[Stormtrooper37]

More fool them December is the WORST MONTH for selling vintage Star Wars on e-bay

 

[chrisfnx]

Im no expert. My C3PO Palitoy 65bk removable limbs comes with a bag over the black net type thing. I got this when I did a fair years ago privately. I dont know if this is any use at all, apologies if it isnt. I can do more pics if necessary. I also have a Boba Fett which was bought off toytoni years ago, through his ad.

 

[M_Rendahl]

I really hope these ebay sales are coincidental.

I hope so too

Forgot to mention that more C-3PO cardbacks and moc images has been sent to me. Big thanks to Jason (mr palitoy) who sent me a bunch. All images I've received that features TT stuff have the print errors, all other cardbacks and mocs from childhood collections don't. So it sure looks like the C-3PO's from TT was made by using unused cardbacks

Mattias

 

[Stargeezer]

Do not google 'Dirty Toni'

Do not look at the first image returned on images.

Unless you have safe search turned on.

:shock:

Jason

Why the **** Didn't i listen to you.... A filty image burned On my eyes... :|

 

[Caswellbot]

Also Iron Method? Hoth Trooper Palitoy 65 Back - same scuff marks as the Fett. Malheated bubble. Also check the area around the hanger tab where it looks like there is an indent of another hanger tab where another card was resting on top. V shaped imprint at stem.

077 by Caswell2009, on Flickr

078 by Caswell2009, on Flickr

079 by Caswell2009, on Flickr

079 by Caswell2009, on Flickr

080 by Caswell2009, on Flickr

I got 2 Snowtroopers (Upside Stem, Double Stem) look like closed in the same method

Thank you for this. Do you have some photos to share of them? Can you remember where you bought them?

Thanks, Chris.

 

[mr_palitoy]

I sent a longer email to Tony earlier today which I received a reply to just as I left the house to go to a comedy night. I will post the full exchange when I gets back. Still ignoring all the evidence I've listed fir him, blaming Jj and/or Arrhur fir everything and scared to post on thus thread as he will get ripped to shreds. I'll try and keep the dialogue going to see if I can get him to open up some more.

Cheers Jason

 

[itfciain]

What exactly can he blame them for ?

 

[_Lee_]

Toni wrote a book called 'Future toys' with a guy named Paul Nunneley,perhaps a little detective work could find some line on contact with this guy? He may know what Toni had/has if he has written a book with him.Long shot but worth a try.

On another note,is there a distinct possibility that Arthur Bailey or Toni could have worked at Palitoy? Another long shot,but maybe something is there?

Last but not least,i can let everyone know that Toni has been buying many,many more AFA u grade figures aside from Ebay,and they are the usual suspects.That is 100% certain,so the Ebay purchases area drop in the ocean.I have also seen an email from him basically stating that he is using AFA and other graded examples as his get out of jail card.Basically,he aint admitting nothing.He is saying this more or less:

'hi,i havent been sealing carded figures.You have bought from me with satisfaction,all of which you have had graded'

He doesnt give a toss.

 

[spoons]

I guess all 03's would come from the same Palitoy factory press so would leave the same 'footprint'
(The right angle is on both corners)

Someone with more knowledge may be able to correct me on this?

Both my GM and pal ESB 45 with 03 bubbles have the corner angles

My ESB double stemmed pal 45 has no corners

And the assumed fake Stormtrooper double stem has a thin glue seal all the way around, a big gap there - how were we and AFA fooled for so long?

As to John A's question about crime - Toni doesn't sell these as original we all trust that they are so it will be difficult to make a legal case

I'm also amazed by the lack of animosity but it might have something to do with the sheer scale of this - I'm up for a refund if anyone is paying Toni a visit

Funny coincidence that both Billy and Toni are Brighton based - must be the sea air.

 

[Stormtrooper37]

I sent a longer email to Tony earlier today which I received a reply to just as I left the house to go to a comedy night. I will post the full exchange when I gets back. Still ignoring all the evidence I've listed fir him, blaming Jj and/or Arrhur fir everything and scared to post on thus thread as he will get ripped to shreds. I'll try and keep the dialogue going to see if I can get him to open up some more.

Cheers Jason

This says it all..............I think most people reading this have already made their mind's up. TT is a fraudster, but to what extent remains to be seen.

 

[ace]

On another note,is there a distinct possibility that Arthur Bailey or Toni could have worked at Palitoy? Another long shot,but maybe something is there?

Hi Palitoy78

i cannot remember what Arthur did work at in the past when i use dot talk to him , but it was nothing at all to do with Palitoy or toys ether , he just used to collect old toys and triad in them also.

as to Toni he lived in Briton for as long as i can remember and never talked about anything like this , i am a talker love to talk to people about everything so if ether of them had anything to do with Palitoy it would have come out and i would have love to have herd about it so i would have none so i do not think its the care on these two.


jason

 

[sandtrooper-5]

Also Iron Method? Hoth Trooper Palitoy 65 Back - same scuff marks as the Fett. Malheated bubble. Also check the area around the hanger tab where it looks like there is an indent of another hanger tab where another card was resting on top. V shaped imprint at stem.

077 by Caswell2009, on Flickr

078 by Caswell2009, on Flickr

079 by Caswell2009, on Flickr

079 by Caswell2009, on Flickr

080 by Caswell2009, on Flickr

I got 2 Snowtroopers (Upside Stem, Double Stem) look like closed in the same method

Thank you for this. Do you have some photos to share of them? Can you remember where you bought them?

Thanks, Chris.

Here they are:

Walraus Man with printing error and "dirt" at nameplate (Palitoy 45 Back, trilogo Bubble)

All cards were from ebay or from trusted collectors

 

[ace]

Are the Meccano Jawa's questionable or not? i know Arthur was the source for these too.

hi Delboy75

the french Jawas are fine mate they were not just from Arthur as others also sold them back then , i think all the french Jawas originally came from a place called Goeff Toys a toy shop that Palitoy used to clear end of line toys through and they also had Jawa's and may have been the place where Arthur bought his Jawa's from in the first place ?

hope that helps

jason

 

[Caswellbot]

Hi Del Id also like to add that I too believe the Mecanno Jawas to be real. It is not unheard of for shipping cartons of them to appear for sale still to this day. A friend picked one up last year and at least 2 cartons were sold earlier this year on ebay alone. They were obviously around in some quantities.

Chris.

 

[Caswellbot]

Thanks for the pics Sandtrooper. Well as you can guess, the Hoth trooper doesnt look good. Any chance you could find the ebay seller?? Long shot I know.

 

[_Lee_]

On another note,is there a distinct possibility that Arthur Bailey or Toni could have worked at Palitoy? Another long shot,but maybe something is there?

Hi Palitoy78

i cannot remember what Arthur did work at in the past when i use dot talk to him , but it was nothing at all to do with Palitoy or toys ether , he just used to collect old toys and triad in them also.

as to Toni he lived in Briton for as long as i can remember and never talked about anything like this , i am a talker love to talk to people about everything so if ether of them had anything to do with Palitoy it would have come out and i would have love to have herd about it so i would have none so i do not think its the care on these two.


jason

Jason,

Thanks.

Could you please return the email when you get a chance?

Lee