Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

[Caswellbot]

I understand your concerns over jason Todd but it doesn't change much that has come to light in this thread about Toni.

 

[tiefighterboy]

I understand your concerns over jason Todd but it doesn't change much that has come to light in this thread about Toni.

I know and a lot of the facts coming out about Toni are interesting. I was just looking at Joiner's posts and thought...If I had a bad rep.....would it not be easy to fabricate a story and put the heat elsewhere.

 

[spoons]

very hard to seal the 'waffle' - there is some roughness around the 03 in the pic but if you own one hold it under a light and the waffling is quite clear

Hopefully no-one now comes forward with 03 bubbles from Toni :roll:

er ive got news for you mate, ive had waffled bubble figures off toni, there was at least a few in what i bought as i bought one of each gm card as well as a few palitoy tie pilots and fetts.

Oh well back to the drawing board :lol:

Are they all 03 bubbles?

For what it's worth I'd happily buy a GM card with an 03 bubble and waffle seal even it is was from Toni

If Toni is sealing figures with random bubbles the chances of him deliberately matching the waffle seal to the 03 bubble seem slim.

if the dimpled bubbles prove to be just a bubble variation (unlikely considering the dimples appear on different types) then i dont know what to think

This really could all be JJ **** stirring but my gut feeling is that GM cards would all be sealed at the same factory with the same bubbles - single stem

The production run can't have been that long?

I won't even think about Palitoy 45c cards

 

[Caswellbot]

It woud indeed Todd but as we can see from the posts it doesnt seem a fabrication. You are not te only one tha wants to quiz Jason by the looks of it but all in good time. I don't know if anyones brains could take another similar thread starting up right now. We may have to rename the forum SWFBI. :lol:

 

[Caswellbot]

Andy raises a good point about the length of production run. Doesn't there seem to be a lot of bubble/ fig combos on the cards being discussed? That seems a bit odd to me .

 

[Caswellbot]

very hard to seal the 'waffle' - there is some roughness around the 03 in the pic but if you own one hold it under a light and the waffling is quite clear

Hopefully no-one now comes forward with 03 bubbles from Toni :roll:

er ive got news for you mate, ive had waffled bubble figures off toni, there was at least a few in what i bought as i bought one of each gm card as well as a few palitoy tie pilots and fetts.

Have you got any pics Jim?

 

[jimbody1]

very hard to seal the 'waffle' - there is some roughness around the 03 in the pic but if you own one hold it under a light and the waffling is quite clear

Hopefully no-one now comes forward with 03 bubbles from Toni :roll:

er ive got news for you mate, ive had waffled bubble figures off toni, there was at least a few in what i bought as i bought one of each gm card as well as a few palitoy tie pilots and fetts.

Oh well back to the drawing board :lol:

Are they all 03 bubbles?

For what it's worth I'd happily buy a GM card with an 03 bubble and waffle seal even it is was from Toni

If Toni is sealing figures with random bubbles the chances of him deliberately matching the waffle seal to the 03 bubble seem slim.

if the dimpled bubbles prove to be just a bubble variation (unlikely considering the dimples appear on different types) then i dont know what to think

This really could all be JJ **** stirring but my gut feeling is that GM cards would all be sealed at the same factory with the same bubbles - single stem

The production run can't have been that long?

I won't even think about Palitoy 45c cards

they wasnt all waffled seals on the mocs no sorry, the smooth seals in question could well have been done at the palitoy factory as most palitoy seals seem to be smooth, could they have been sent in loose form to palitoy to be sealed with whatever figures they had and never had the palitoy offer sticker applied which has been seen on other non toni gm mocs? just thought id throw that one in there just to confuse a little more.

 

[jimbody1]

very hard to seal the 'waffle' - there is some roughness around the 03 in the pic but if you own one hold it under a light and the waffling is quite clear

Hopefully no-one now comes forward with 03 bubbles from Toni :roll:

er ive got news for you mate, ive had waffled bubble figures off toni, there was at least a few in what i bought as i bought one of each gm card as well as a few palitoy tie pilots and fetts.

Have you got any pics Jim?

actually i think i may have yes, im not sure if theyre group shots though which wouldnt really help but ill have a look as i may still have the shots from when i sold them all on ebay. you may have to give me a couple of days though :roll:

 

[Caswellbot]

Cool. Thanks Jim. That would be helpful.

 

[jimbody1]

right ive found the photobucket folder with them all in but i dont know if they will be of any use so heres three, the backs are first on each, if theyre any good i have a LOT more.

 

[jimbody1]

i think you can just make out although the yoda seal is smooth the other two have an 03 bubble, they also all have the "wave"

 

[jimbody1]

ive also noticed that the flecking that you can get with gm mocs has not affected behind the seal or bubble, is this possibly because they was sealed many years ago? im not really qualified to answer that one. but if it does, then that adds creadence to the fact that they wasnt done yesterday.

 

[spoons]

Going back to my earlier point I have evidence for waffle sealed GM shop sold stock, so I'd be more dubious about smooth sealed ESB GM stock

For any ROTJ cards all bets are off

If you have German or uk ESB 45 backs with a loose waffle seal with an 03 bubble then I'd bet that they were legit. I'd may even be tempted to make a Joe Y style statement about being willing to buy them

£50 each

Edit - just seen Jim's pics, I reckon the Han and Bossk are good if there is a loose waffle

They even have the same bow to them as my stickered one

Can't speak for Yoda but its been on the card for a while

 

[Caswellbot]

Thanks Jim I can defo see the 03 on the bossk bubble and a think i can make it out on han hoth too. A little to tricky to see it on the yoda though.

 

[jimbody1]

I don't think there was on that one mate, but I remember getting it back from the graders as Carlos75 bought one at the same time which had a brown snake, (i infact sent it with my own afa sub) his also had the same flecking and like mine got really low card grades. I distinctly remember being pissed at the fact it got such grades but also the fact that the flecking didn't extend under the seal or bubble. Leading me to think they may have not being kept in good order by Toni as other cards also had it but not nearly so bad.

 

[Lee Gregory]

Thanks Jim I can defo see the 03 on the bossk bubble and a think i can make it out on han hoth too. A little to tricky to see it on the yoda though.

Very late to the party on this one. I've had quite a few moc off Toni over the years, I defo remember my Bossk had that 03 stamp on the bubble. Annoyingly all my cards are boxed up at my parent's as im moving house.

I do have real concerns about all this, but like others I'm on thefence for now.
Wish I still had my mails from when I was doing a deal with Toni, I recall asking if he had any more GM Leia Hoths as he has sold out on his site. He said he didn't at the mo, but might be able to source some more,never thought anything of it at the time,but now...........

 

[jimbody1]

I went to collect mine in person, more for the fact that I was handing over nearly 3k. I remember him saying that he had a contact in Germany where he could source more.

 

[skywalker]

JESUS... 64 pages later, that was some reading...

I do think it is odd for someone to have a seemingly unlimited supply of MINT Moc's.

All he has to do is take a photo of his remaining stock to show that they are all already on the card and this could be put to bed.

If he is not willing to do this then I would say he is just making them to order all be it with genuine cards and bubbles.

He does not seem to bothered about the allegations which is very strange.. :? :? :?

 

[lee gray]

Just for the record, although I never checked for dimples closely on the top of the bubbles, I often noticed a dimple on the side of the bubble half way down and in the middle if thats any use ?

 

[jimbody1]

So can anyone explain the lack of flecking behind the seals and bubbles if they are made recently? Obviously ive seen it on quite a few Toni mocs and they're all the same, if there's flecking on the card its not behind the bubbles and seals, that goes for single and double stem bubbles.