Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

There were apparently tons of MOC Fetts in the deal.

We would need to see accurate measurements of bubbles of shop bought and toytoni bought.


If you are insinuating that the twin stem bubbles that TT is using are not for Star Wars Palitoy figures- then what are they used for?
 
Simply Sci-fi said:
Hello to all. This is my first post here.

Although the issue of the "Tony" cards has been running for quite some time, I have only just become aware of it. I thought that I would contribute something, because my recollections might be of help in ascertaining exactly what happened all of those years ago. I'm sorry that I have not had time to read all of the posts, so forgive me if I am covering old ground, especially as people seem to have posted some of my personal emails without telling me.

For people who don't know me, I am a long standing Star Wars fan and collector. I used to run the U.K.Star Wars Fan Club with Jason Joiner and a group of other fans. I was Club Chairman, a staff writer and my collection was a major source of material. Jason was the club promotions man (deal closer, etc), writer and his collection was an even bigger source of material. I have amassed quite a large Star Wars collection, some of which can be seen at http://www.flickr.com/photos/12871619@N03/sets/72157624878003505/

One of my major purchases occurred when Jason supplied me with 212 Palitoy carded Boba Fett figures. The number 212 was quoted in the Marvel Star Wars comic story "Star Search" as being the number of Mandalorians that fought against the Jedi in the Clone Wars (which of course has been discarded in the new canon). Jason may have bought more from his source, being convinced that I would take the lot but I stuck to 212 which was the size if the army. Jason also bought a large number of carded Snowtroopers around the same time as he had a stack of them in his loft, but I have no idea of the style or quality of the packaging they were in. Jason and I were each collecting an Imperial army at the time and I assumed that Jason had bought them for this reason.

The Boba Fett figures were supplied to me in ordinary boxes, one of which I still have. It is for "Lyon's Ready Brek", with a best before end date of February 1988. In addition to the "Ready Brek" box, I still own a number of the backing cards and bubbles, some of which are still partially attached. Jason did not issue me with sales receipt. The figures were all on identical punched Palitoy Return of the Jedi 45 back cards with a "Free Nien Nunb" offer on the back. There is a red glob next to Chewbacca. The figures inside were all the light coloured version of Boba Fett that was issued in Palitoy/Tri Logo packaging. I have no doubt that the figures were left-over stock because that variation was too difficult to find in that kind of quantity with weapons on the second-hand market.

The bubbles were of a two-stemmed style which was too small to comfortably accommodate a Boba Fett figure. All of the bubbles had not attached properly (probably because of this reason) and although the majority had still clung on the card, they were hanging by a thread. Many of the bubbles were crinkled along the edge, as if too much heat had been applied. Also many of the backing cards had identical marks across the front, seemingly from a machine of some kind (The upside down Snowtrooper on page 93 has similar marks). The figures were not even close to being MOC and if they had have been, Jason could probably have made some phone calls to collectors/fellow dealers and raised more cash selling them such, as they would have been worth a lot more than the £1-2 he charged me. I was a trader myself to a much smaller degree and if I'd got my hands on 212 MOC Boba Fetts I'd have chucked them on a stall at the next Westminster fair. Jason only bought the Fetts because he knew I was a cert for buying them and it is a marvel of his business mind that he remembered our conversation regarding the Mandalorian army. Jason may have attempted to sell some of the Boba Fetts that I did not buy because of James Simmonds' memories.

The theory put forward that left-over cards, bubbles and figures were put together by a company outside of Palitoy on behalf of a dealer would seem to fit very well. I have always wondered why in 1983 Palitoy had made such a big mistake in attempting to issue Boba Fett on the wrong packaging style and why their machinery had caused damage to the bubble and card. An outside company might have made mistakes such as this and then go on to improve the process. Or perhaps one dealer attempted to have some figures resealed and gave up before another dealer was more successful. As a model builder and a crafter myself, I cannot imagine anyone sitting down and individually sealing hundreds of bubbles and backing cards. It really needs to be a machine process (This would also explain the upside down Snowtroopers). It would not be worth anyone's while, sealing them individually for pennies. And it would have been obvious after the first attempts attaching them by hand that the process was not working. The Fetts and Snowtroopers could well be a failed experiment by dealer 1. Dealer 2 has the same Boba Fett lose figures, cards and bubbles and gets a better result elsewhere. I had also wondered why the Boba Fetts had not been stored in Palitoy produced boxes and why the "Redy Brek" boxes were dated to the time that I bought them and not any earlier. It seems that the Boba Fetts were fresh from the factory/workshop and could have even been made to satisfy my particular order. Of course the figures could also be exactly what I had originally assumed; Palitoy left-over stock. The weak state of the glue holding the figures might have been down to poor storage conditions and the damage part of the Palitoy production process.

I have sold hundreds of Boba Fetts over the years as "opened with figure", and as individual backing cards and figures. I never made an attempt at resealing the figures myself. I have had various stalls, shops and an ebay account over the years so my supply has dwindled to almost nothing. So much for my grand Mandalorian army!

The only positive I can glean from this debacle is that I no longer have to justify to myself and others my reasons as a 17-18 year old for opening a large number of rare carded Boba Fett figures. Jason Joiner takes pleasure in reminding me and allegedly telling people of my actions (in the spirit of fun and friendly banter I'm sure). It has turned into "Boba Fett Gate." I am relieved to discover that these Boba Fetts were almost certainly not Palitoy production items. Even at such a young age I was a very serious-minded collector and had the eye for detail and business sense to know that the Boba Fetts were not near enough to MOC to resell at the time or keep for investment purposes. I had a great deal of pleasure in diorama building with the figures, where they went to war against my 700 plus Imperial army in the back garden. That was worth a couple of hundred quid!

I believe it was a couple of years later that Jason Joiner uncovered a warehouse find of his own and I spent a lot of money on a large number of fresh-out-of-the-case Palitoy figures that were definitely not part of the dodgy Boba Fett batch. There a large number of carded and peeled open figures (some of which are from my childhood) out of the 120 – 130 in my collection which are guaranteed to be carded by Palitoy, which I could supply photographs of for comparison against "Tony's."

I hope that this rambling post has been of some use.

Craig Stevens.

Hi Craig, thanks very much for your insight!

:)

Jason
 
Caswellbot said:
Very useful post Craig. Thanks for chiming in on this.

Chris.

Indeed - thanks Craig

Just to muddy the waters, could these have been factory sealed?

I remember a bin of Klatuus at a toyshop in Bradford in the early 90s. All of them had lifting bubbles, some were so bad you could remove the figure.

Still got my card back from them but Klatuu was taken out for the loose collection. Innocent times :)
 
Simply Sci-fi said:
Hello to all. This is my first post here.

Although the issue of the "Tony" cards has been running for quite some time, I have only just become aware of it. I thought that I would contribute something, because my recollections might be of help in ascertaining exactly what happened all of those years ago. I'm sorry that I have not had time to read all of the posts, so forgive me if I am covering old ground, especially as people seem to have posted some of my personal emails without telling me.

For people who don't know me, I am a long standing Star Wars fan and collector. I used to run the U.K.Star Wars Fan Club with Jason Joiner and a group of other fans. I was Club Chairman, a staff writer and my collection was a major source of material. Jason was the club promotions man (deal closer, etc), writer and his collection was an even bigger source of material. I have amassed quite a large Star Wars collection, some of which can be seen at http://www.flickr.com/photos/12871619@N03/sets/72157624878003505/

One of my major purchases occurred when Jason supplied me with 212 Palitoy carded Boba Fett figures. The number 212 was quoted in the Marvel Star Wars comic story "Star Search" as being the number of Mandalorians that fought against the Jedi in the Clone Wars (which of course has been discarded in the new canon). Jason may have bought more from his source, being convinced that I would take the lot but I stuck to 212 which was the size if the army. Jason also bought a large number of carded Snowtroopers around the same time as he had a stack of them in his loft, but I have no idea of the style or quality of the packaging they were in. Jason and I were each collecting an Imperial army at the time and I assumed that Jason had bought them for this reason.

The Boba Fett figures were supplied to me in ordinary boxes, one of which I still have. It is for "Lyon's Ready Brek", with a best before end date of February 1988. In addition to the "Ready Brek" box, I still own a number of the backing cards and bubbles, some of which are still partially attached. Jason did not issue me with sales receipt. The figures were all on identical punched Palitoy Return of the Jedi 45 back cards with a "Free Nien Nunb" offer on the back. There is a red glob next to Chewbacca. The figures inside were all the light coloured version of Boba Fett that was issued in Palitoy/Tri Logo packaging. I have no doubt that the figures were left-over stock because that variation was too difficult to find in that kind of quantity with weapons on the second-hand market.

The bubbles were of a two-stemmed style which was too small to comfortably accommodate a Boba Fett figure. All of the bubbles had not attached properly (probably because of this reason) and although the majority had still clung on the card, they were hanging by a thread. Many of the bubbles were crinkled along the edge, as if too much heat had been applied. Also many of the backing cards had identical marks across the front, seemingly from a machine of some kind (The upside down Snowtrooper on page 93 has similar marks). The figures were not even close to being MOC and if they had have been, Jason could probably have made some phone calls to collectors/fellow dealers and raised more cash selling them such, as they would have been worth a lot more than the £1-2 he charged me. I was a trader myself to a much smaller degree and if I'd got my hands on 212 MOC Boba Fetts I'd have chucked them on a stall at the next Westminster fair. Jason only bought the Fetts because he knew I was a cert for buying them and it is a marvel of his business mind that he remembered our conversation regarding the Mandalorian army. Jason may have attempted to sell some of the Boba Fetts that I did not buy because of James Simmonds' memories.

The theory put forward that left-over cards, bubbles and figures were put together by a company outside of Palitoy on behalf of a dealer would seem to fit very well. I have always wondered why in 1983 Palitoy had made such a big mistake in attempting to issue Boba Fett on the wrong packaging style and why their machinery had caused damage to the bubble and card. An outside company might have made mistakes such as this and then go on to improve the process. Or perhaps one dealer attempted to have some figures resealed and gave up before another dealer was more successful. As a model builder and a crafter myself, I cannot imagine anyone sitting down and individually sealing hundreds of bubbles and backing cards. It really needs to be a machine process (This would also explain the upside down Snowtroopers). It would not be worth anyone's while, sealing them individually for pennies. And it would have been obvious after the first attempts attaching them by hand that the process was not working. The Fetts and Snowtroopers could well be a failed experiment by dealer 1. Dealer 2 has the same Boba Fett lose figures, cards and bubbles and gets a better result elsewhere. I had also wondered why the Boba Fetts had not been stored in Palitoy produced boxes and why the "Redy Brek" boxes were dated to the time that I bought them and not any earlier. It seems that the Boba Fetts were fresh from the factory/workshop and could have even been made to satisfy my particular order. Of course the figures could also be exactly what I had originally assumed; Palitoy left-over stock. The weak state of the glue holding the figures might have been down to poor storage conditions and the damage part of the Palitoy production process.

I have sold hundreds of Boba Fetts over the years as "opened with figure", and as individual backing cards and figures. I never made an attempt at resealing the figures myself. I have had various stalls, shops and an ebay account over the years so my supply has dwindled to almost nothing. So much for my grand Mandalorian army!

The only positive I can glean from this debacle is that I no longer have to justify to myself and others my reasons as a 17-18 year old for opening a large number of rare carded Boba Fett figures. Jason Joiner takes pleasure in reminding me and allegedly telling people of my actions (in the spirit of fun and friendly banter I'm sure). It has turned into "Boba Fett Gate." I am relieved to discover that these Boba Fetts were almost certainly not Palitoy production items. Even at such a young age I was a very serious-minded collector and had the eye for detail and business sense to know that the Boba Fetts were not near enough to MOC to resell at the time or keep for investment purposes. I had a great deal of pleasure in diorama building with the figures, where they went to war against my 700 plus Imperial army in the back garden. That was worth a couple of hundred quid!

I believe it was a couple of years later that Jason Joiner uncovered a warehouse find of his own and I spent a lot of money on a large number of fresh-out-of-the-case Palitoy figures that were definitely not part of the dodgy Boba Fett batch. There a large number of carded and peeled open figures (some of which are from my childhood) out of the 120 – 130 in my collection which are guaranteed to be carded by Palitoy, which I could supply photographs of for comparison against "Tony's."

I hope that this rambling post has been of some use.

Craig Stevens.

Very interesting. Thanks for posting craig! :)
 
A dog chasing its tail? In my last post I typed every idea that I had. Now I'll give you my take on the entire story.

In 1985 Palitoy shuts down. Unused figures, card backs and bubbles are sold off and another company attempts to duplicate the carding process with Boba Fett and Snowtrooper with the intention of selling them on the wholesale market. With little success it abandons the process. Some of the Boba Fetts ended up at a boot sale. The company sells on the stock to Arthur.

Jason Joiner is offered the unused figures, card backs and figures along with a batch of the badly packaged Boba Fetts and Snowtroopers. Arthur sells the carded figures for a miniscule 50p each, which could be below the cost of their original carding by the company. Arthur could not be behind the process because he would have charged more than 50p. It is not rocket science to realise that the materials are there to produce mint carded figures, transforming a few pence into a few pounds at the very least. Jason has a stockpile of mint figures bought at boot sales that I remember seeing at the time. The intention could have been to inform people that they were not originals if he went into production. Jason sells 212 Boba Fetts to me at a price £1 -2 each and has left-over stock to sell elsewhere.

Toni out-bids Jason and Toni allegedly goes into production, possibly with a company doing the carding, is short of is mint loose figures and goes about buying them in quantity. The fact that the figures are not originals is an "open secret" among dealers, who could probably justify their actions to themselves that they are offering a product which is exactly the same as the original.

Fast forward to today and Jason Joiner tells one of his stories and innocently lets it slip that Toni beat him to the batch of unused Palitoy materials. Jason has not been part of the grass roots collecting and dealing scene for many years and believes that this "open secret" is known by collectors and that they know that the figures are not originals. He has accidentally implicated not only Tony but himself in a smaller way (back in the past) of selling non-original carded figures, if only the original batch of Snowtroopers and Boba Fetts.

Now that the "open secret" is out in the open, collectors are understandably furious. Thankfully the suspect figures are being identified and collectors and auction houses will be able to tell the good from the bad. Genuine carded figures may actually go up in value due to so many duds in collector's hands.

It is unfortunate that Jason Joiner has not been collecting and dealing for quite some time because he is in a perfect position to blow the whistle on forgeries and I believe he would have done at a very early stage. I too have not collected carded figures since about 1994 and if I had, I might have spotted suspect items and reported it. Collectors themselves, I'm sorry to have to say, might have suspected something themselves. How can Toni keep dishing out crisp examples of vintage figures, without any attempt at artificially ageing them? The Palitoy Boba Fett 45 back ROTJ card seems to be the most blatant example. Does Toni's double stemmed bubble not appear on shop-bought examples?

I believe that any company charged with authenticating figures or experienced auction houses who have dealt with "Tonis" should be ashamed of themselves. Collecting Star Wars figures has become the equivalent of stamp collecting. Nobody would take one look at a "Penny Black" and simply assume that it is genuine and the same is now true for Star Wars figures. From now on all carded figures will be put under the closest scrutiny, especially now that they are becoming increasingly popular. In that sense, this situation will have a positive outcome.

If it can be proved that Toni is packaging old Star Wars figures as new or selling figures that were carded in the 1990's, he should immediately begin to describe his stock as exactly what it is. Collectors can decide for themselves if they want to take action against him, either individually or as a group. I'd say that it would create more fuss than it is worth, especially if the press get hold of the story. I for one will be describing the Fetts that I sell as having been re-carded in the 1990s

If people want to take Jason to task over the carded figures he has sold in the past, it will be down to the individual collectors who bought them to do so. Only they know what they were told at the time. Personally I only bought the Boba Fetts as lose items and clearly the figures were from Palitoy. There is a lot of difference in selling non-Palitoy carded figures in the late 1980's and early 90's when it was apparently known that these items were not originals, to selling them in quantity on ebay as the real deal. I would never go out of my way to defend Jason Joiner by the way, as despite being good friends in the past, he and I have gone also toe-to-toe many times. That's all "water under the bridge" eh, Jason?

If you have a "Toni" – enjoy it. It is extremely close to the real thing and is in my opinion a lot better than either a loose figure or even a peeled away example. Carded figures may rise so incredibly in price that in 5-10 years time, people will probably pay more than collectors have dished out for "Tonis". A "Toni" might become a mark of a quality reproduction! The story might have been forgotten by them, so unscrupulous types might get away with selling them as originals on ebay or at naïve auction houses.

Anyway, that is my Hercule Poirot/Scooby Doo gang-like summing up of the situation. I wonder if Toni, if proven "guilty" will say "I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you pesky kids."

Best wishes to all

Craig.
 
Hi Craig, nice to hear some of your old stories.

Afew points from me:

People did have some suspicions, there's a few threads been linked on here. Unfortunately, and probably due to the time gap from late 80's to now, the people speculating wouldn't have known about the old stocks. Vice versa, the people who did know probably lost interest long ago. I think some people were in the middle - suspected something but not enough to be sure, but that would have been hard to raise on here or anywhere else without more evidence, or fear of being run out of town (and they aren't going to admit it now anyway :lol: )

No one will be going after Jason Joiner (if people even think he's at fault). It's way too long ago and there will be no records on either side, so that won't go anywhere.

Grading Companies. They come out of this with their reputations battered and very bruised. Somewhere in the middle of this mess I posted that they'd deny everything. Well AFA have buried their heads in the sand hiding behind a shiny new disclaimer regarding suspect stock, and UKG are more interested in designing new acrylic cases to hold U grade shite. They haven't even bothered with one post on here. Perhaps they couldn't help, I get that, but as a bare minimum they should at least post some kind of acknowledgement on here.

Chris
 
Simply Sci-fi said:
The fact that the figures are not originals is an "open secret" among dealers,


Best wishes to all

Craig.


****ING SCUMBAGS THE LOT OF THEM , ANYONE dealer or collector who knew for FACT these were being knocked who has sat back & kept this secret all these years and watched as collectors and fans all over the world bought em up with hard earnt wages is a horrible scamming **** of the highest level :evil:
AND I DONT MEAN anyone who suspected . just those who knew

i wish nothing but the worst of luck to all of them :|
 
jay4 said:
Simply Sci-fi said:
The fact that the figures are not originals is an "open secret" among dealers,


Best wishes to all

Craig.


****ING SCUMBAGS THE LOT OF THEM , ANYONE dealer or collector who has sat back & kept this secret all these years and watched as collectors and fans all over the world bought em up with hard earnt wages is a horrible scamming **** of the highest level :evil:

i wish nothing but the worst of luck to all of them :|

Nice post, thanks for that........I assure you as a dealer of many years and friends with most other dealers I knew nothing of this and I don't believe many others knew too
 
Starzone said:
jay4 said:
Simply Sci-fi said:
The fact that the figures are not originals is an "open secret" among dealers,


Best wishes to all

Craig.


****ING SCUMBAGS THE LOT OF THEM , ANYONE dealer or collector who has sat back & kept this secret all these years and watched as collectors and fans all over the world bought em up with hard earnt wages is a horrible scamming **** of the highest level :evil:

i wish nothing but the worst of luck to all of them :|

Nice post, thanks for that........I assure you as a dealer of many years and friends with most other dealers I knew nothing of this and I don't believe many others knew too

HUH? i never said you did craig ? . i referred to anyone who did know as is stated above :wink: and ive no idea at all who your are and in no way meant to imply you were one of those who knew , sorry if you thought i was pointing at you when i wasnt
 
Starzone said:
jay4 said:
Simply Sci-fi said:
The fact that the figures are not originals is an "open secret" among dealers,


Best wishes to all

Craig.


****ING SCUMBAGS THE LOT OF THEM , ANYONE dealer or collector who has sat back & kept this secret all these years and watched as collectors and fans all over the world bought em up with hard earnt wages is a horrible scamming **** of the highest level :evil:

i wish nothing but the worst of luck to all of them :|

Nice post, thanks for that........I assure you as a dealer of many years and friends with most other dealers I knew nothing of this and I don't believe many others knew too

Scratch that. :lol:
 
Starzone said:
jay4 said:
Simply Sci-fi said:
The fact that the figures are not originals is an "open secret" among dealers,


Best wishes to all

Craig.


****ING SCUMBAGS THE LOT OF THEM , ANYONE dealer or collector who has sat back & kept this secret all these years and watched as collectors and fans all over the world bought em up with hard earnt wages is a horrible scamming **** of the highest level :evil:

i wish nothing but the worst of luck to all of them :|

Nice post, thanks for that........I assure you as a dealer of many years and friends with most other dealers I knew nothing of this and I don't believe many others knew too

Well said Darren.

Jay4,

I heard rumours about this situation around mid-late 90,s and did so as there was a guy in Luton market who had a sci i stall.I beleive JJ frequented there a bit too,im hoping JJ could remind me of the guy,if he can remember.I and a friend used to go there often,even if not buying anything.So im assuming im a **** in your eyes then?

Many people had ideas,but no one had concrete evidence.If i had come online in 99-2000 and said Toni was selling forged pieces,I would have been abused forever more,but because the latest info has come to light it has more provenance.As i said,I heard it and thats all.Jason J,was there and offered the stuff and as said before,only a chance comment led to this otherwise it would still be a secret.

Just dont tar everyone with the same brush.ONE person is to be held accountable for his actions and there is a paper trail,email trail or whatever from MANY people.
 
Starzone said:
jay4 said:
Simply Sci-fi said:
The fact that the figures are not originals is an "open secret" among dealers,


Best wishes to all

Craig.


****ING SCUMBAGS THE LOT OF THEM , ANYONE dealer or collector who has sat back & kept this secret all these years and watched as collectors and fans all over the world bought em up with hard earnt wages is a horrible scamming **** of the highest level :evil:

i wish nothing but the worst of luck to all of them :|

Nice post, thanks for that........I assure you as a dealer of many years and friends with most other dealers I knew nothing of this and I don't believe many others knew too

Well said Darren.

Jay4,

I heard rumours about this situation around mid-late 90,s and did so as there was a guy in Luton market who had a sci i stall.I beleive JJ frequented there a bit too,im hoping JJ could remind me of the guy,if he can remember.I and a friend used to go there often,even if not buying anything.So im assuming im a **** in your eyes then?

Many people had ideas,but no one had concrete evidence.If i had come online in 99-2000 and said Toni was selling forged pieces,I would have been abused forever more,but because the latest info has come to light it has more provenance.As i said,I heard it and thats all.Jason J,was there and offered the stuff and as said before,only a chance comment led to this otherwise it would still be a secret.

Just dont tar everyone with the same brush.ONE person is to be held accountable for his actions and there is a paper trail,email trail or whatever from MANY people.
 
Jay4,

I heard rumours about this situation around mid-late 90,s and did so as there was a guy in Luton market who had a sci i stall.I beleive JJ frequented there a bit too,im hoping JJ could remind me of the guy,if he can remember.I and a friend used to go there often,even if not buying anything.So im assuming im a **** in your eyes then?

Many people had ideas,but no one had concrete evidence.If i had come online in 99-2000 and said Toni was selling forged pieces,I would have been abused forever more,but because the latest info has come to light it has more provenance.As i said,I heard it and thats all.Jason J,was there and offered the stuff and as said before,only a chance comment led to this otherwise it would still be a secret.

Just dont tar everyone with the same brush.ONE person is to be held accountable for his actions and there is a paper trail,email trail or whatever from MANY people.[/quote]



here we go again ? :oops: :roll: anyone who knew for FACT that there were re-assembled cards being shoved out left right centre across the world and said nothing especially when they could have anytime under a false name or something like that on the net just to warn people & get it out there before now is a ****!
PLEASE NOTE :idea: from what you say & craig neither of you knew for fact so NO like craig your not a **** either :wink: . IF YOU READ MY POST :roll: it says anyone who knew , the clue is in that sentence :wink:
at no point did i say anyone who suspected anything was a c**t aswel
 
Cheers Craig and thanks for posting.

It good to hear some more supporting information.

Its been real messy putting these things together. Please let us know if you can remember any more info.

Great collection as well.
 
When I said "The fact that the figures are not originals is an "open secret" among dealers" I was writing in the past tense. I was stating what I assume to be the case in the 1990's. If Toni and Jason knew, then I'm supposing other dealers they did business with did too. I'm not saying that dealers today know about it. I have no additional information about dealers than has already been said. The entire post is mere conjecture.

Quoting a single line from a post obscures the context in which it is written.

I hope that clarifies things.

Craig.
 
Simply Sci-fi said:
When I said "The fact that the figures are not originals is an "open secret" among dealers" I was writing in the past tense. I was stating what I assume to be the case in the 1990's. If Toni and Jason knew, then I'm supposing other dealers they did business with did too. I'm not saying that dealers today know about it. I have no additional information about dealers than has already been said. The entire post is mere conjecture.

Quoting a single line from a post obscures the context in which it is written.

I hope that clarifies things.

Craig.

yeah it was dealers from the early - mid 90s i was talking of.
just had a look at your collection just now , "superb" & that imperial shuttle standing of the troops is outragous in a outragously great way
 
Have found a genuine shop sealed palitoy 65d hothtrooper:-

3277_l.jpg


You can see the bubble is not sealed on the bottom edge where the double stems would be if it was a double stem bubble.

So the bubble impression below is from a rectangular bubble.

P1090688_zps8fbcdb65.jpg


The Toni is sealed along the bottom edge:-

4536_l.jpg


Have added that to the guide:-

http://www.freewebs.com/mrpalitoy/rotj65dcardback.htm

cheers Jason
 
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