Rebel Scum Repro Scum
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darth_daddius
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Pomse2001 said:Why be on rebel scum when you can be on this fantastic forum with so many nice guys and real collectors ?
Its not a case of saying which forum or collectors are better. You're misreading my post - or I've not explained myself well...
I just don't think RS is promoting repro stuff, I think there is a movement being fueled by current high prices.
Pat
tiefighterboy
Grand Master
Pomse2001 said:Why be on rebel scum when you can be on this fantastic forum with so many nice guys and real collectors ?
I know..right. Here we go again rambling on about RS when as we can all see..their members are fleeing and coming here. 8)
As far as profanity goes...this is an adult forum for the most part and I think most kids have been exposed to far more than any of us ever were back in the day. I would rather my kids read old men cussing than barnyard porn anyday. :wink:
darth_daddius
Jedi Knight
tiefighterboy said:Pomse2001 said:Why be on rebel scum when you can be on this fantastic forum with so many nice guys and real collectors ?
I know..right. Here we go again rambling on about RS when as we can all see..their members are fleeing and coming here. 8)
As far as profanity goes...this is an adult forum for the most part and I think most kids have been exposed to far more than any of us ever were back in the day. I would rather my kids read old men cussing than barnyard porn anyday. :wink:
I shouldn't have said anything.
Just ignore me.
pat
tiefighterboy
Grand Master
Pat...you are taking all of this the wrong way and you just have to be a little thick skinned to be on the forum. Feel free to contribute to our forum.
darth_daddius
Jedi Knight
I'm thick skinned, but you have focused on one part of my post and ignored the main point. I appreciate that maybe in my writing of it.
Pat
Pat
Ian_C
Jedi Master
Hey Pat, you know me. We've interacted on RS a few times.
I hear your pain. My son is also a member on RS. He knows I have left RS for here, but I have not invited him to join me yet. He's 13, and while I know damn well he is exposed to - and uses - the language, I'm a it uncomfortable with him being exposed to it as part of the hobby. That's not a knock on this place whatsoever. He also doesn't get involved in vintage discussion, keeping mostly to off topic stuff like superhero and Walking Dead discussions. He can stay at RS for now.
I also understand it's hard for you to leave. I've been unhappy for a long time there, but was unwilling to leave due to the reputation I have built there. 14 years, over 10,000 posts. That is a LOT to walk away from, and basically start over here with 0 posts. I was unsure at first, but committed to it and a month after I started posting regularly here, I feel far more comfortable and happy with the decision to do it.
I will also agree RS doesn't promote repros. Hell, Tommy just locked down a bunch of that guy's posts yesterday, reiterating they do not allow them. It's not the promotion of them that's out of control - it's the condoning of people supporting them. I understand they allow for different perspectives and ways to collect and have an open arms policy with members, but for a site that has stated they are against repros, they should be more vigilant in expressing their disapproval with those that support it. At the very least, they shouldn't be pushing away those that do stand up against them, and threaten them with suspensions. Yeah, I know in my case I get aggressive about the subject, but really, what message is sent when Joe or Lee are outright banned. Long time members, gone, because they stood up to these guys, while the repro trolls get to stay and have a circle jerk with each other over their latest recard or U grade?
I'm not so sure it's a fad that will pass with the new movies either. You didn't see it this bad when the PT came out, and the hype was just as big then. I think it's more a reflection on current prices. Understandably, many people that want to collect MOC's just can't afford to do so. Today's society is generally all about "me, me, me", and there is little to no patience or desire to spend any time learning or waiting for deals, so many just have the attitude of taking the easiest route, with no regard to how their actions affect the hobby they want to be a part of. I understand you saying a more gentle approach may be better, as I agree direct attacks result in them acting defensively, but after seeing it time and time again, I can say that gentle persuasion takes a long time, in which case they continue to buy up repros and/or U grade, and is honestly not that effective. If you try to reason gently, many just try to reason back why they justify it.
Anyway, hope you're doing well Pat, and glad you're here too. You're one of the good guys.
Ian
I hear your pain. My son is also a member on RS. He knows I have left RS for here, but I have not invited him to join me yet. He's 13, and while I know damn well he is exposed to - and uses - the language, I'm a it uncomfortable with him being exposed to it as part of the hobby. That's not a knock on this place whatsoever. He also doesn't get involved in vintage discussion, keeping mostly to off topic stuff like superhero and Walking Dead discussions. He can stay at RS for now.
I also understand it's hard for you to leave. I've been unhappy for a long time there, but was unwilling to leave due to the reputation I have built there. 14 years, over 10,000 posts. That is a LOT to walk away from, and basically start over here with 0 posts. I was unsure at first, but committed to it and a month after I started posting regularly here, I feel far more comfortable and happy with the decision to do it.
I will also agree RS doesn't promote repros. Hell, Tommy just locked down a bunch of that guy's posts yesterday, reiterating they do not allow them. It's not the promotion of them that's out of control - it's the condoning of people supporting them. I understand they allow for different perspectives and ways to collect and have an open arms policy with members, but for a site that has stated they are against repros, they should be more vigilant in expressing their disapproval with those that support it. At the very least, they shouldn't be pushing away those that do stand up against them, and threaten them with suspensions. Yeah, I know in my case I get aggressive about the subject, but really, what message is sent when Joe or Lee are outright banned. Long time members, gone, because they stood up to these guys, while the repro trolls get to stay and have a circle jerk with each other over their latest recard or U grade?
I'm not so sure it's a fad that will pass with the new movies either. You didn't see it this bad when the PT came out, and the hype was just as big then. I think it's more a reflection on current prices. Understandably, many people that want to collect MOC's just can't afford to do so. Today's society is generally all about "me, me, me", and there is little to no patience or desire to spend any time learning or waiting for deals, so many just have the attitude of taking the easiest route, with no regard to how their actions affect the hobby they want to be a part of. I understand you saying a more gentle approach may be better, as I agree direct attacks result in them acting defensively, but after seeing it time and time again, I can say that gentle persuasion takes a long time, in which case they continue to buy up repros and/or U grade, and is honestly not that effective. If you try to reason gently, many just try to reason back why they justify it.
Anyway, hope you're doing well Pat, and glad you're here too. You're one of the good guys.
Ian
darth_daddius said:Pomse2001 said:Why be on rebel scum when you can be on this fantastic forum with so many nice guys and real collectors ?
Its not a case of saying which forum or collectors are better. You're misreading my post - or I've not explained myself well...
I just don't think RS is promoting repro stuff, I think there is a movement being fueled by current high prices.
Pat
Hi pat, sorry but this was for Bonsai_Tree_Ent :wink:
But since I joined this forum, I have seen a lot of threads on this forum about bad things on rebel scum. So as I say why be on rebel scum if there is always problems over there :wink:
itfciain
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Pat is a really good guy who I have the pleasure of meeting at Celebration - so am glad to see him posting more on here
I get what he is saying, and to be fair this forum isn't aimed at minors and I doubt it ever will be - RS used to be a lot more sterile but very informative. People like Ian_C, JoeY and JohnA would clear the decks of anyone that tried to come on and be smart or arsey (and sometimes they went a bit over the top - but that was their way). Traffic was also a lot busier on there than it is now so some of the stupid post were just ignored as people had more important posts to get involved with.
I have had my issues with RS moderation before (as most know) but to be fair I understood afterwards why they were so heavy handed - even if I disagreed - they had a specific way that they wanted to run their forum just as we have ours
These days, good posts on RS are few and far between - a lot of people have migrated to FB for both information and for the community. Sales are pretty much non-exisitant and the general chat section fills up with posts from the same people - some of which I am sure are trolling/attention seeking. It is a shame this has happened and I am not sure what they can do to reverse it.
I get what he is saying, and to be fair this forum isn't aimed at minors and I doubt it ever will be - RS used to be a lot more sterile but very informative. People like Ian_C, JoeY and JohnA would clear the decks of anyone that tried to come on and be smart or arsey (and sometimes they went a bit over the top - but that was their way). Traffic was also a lot busier on there than it is now so some of the stupid post were just ignored as people had more important posts to get involved with.
I have had my issues with RS moderation before (as most know) but to be fair I understood afterwards why they were so heavy handed - even if I disagreed - they had a specific way that they wanted to run their forum just as we have ours
These days, good posts on RS are few and far between - a lot of people have migrated to FB for both information and for the community. Sales are pretty much non-exisitant and the general chat section fills up with posts from the same people - some of which I am sure are trolling/attention seeking. It is a shame this has happened and I am not sure what they can do to reverse it.
Richard_H
Grand Master
Pat I totally get what you're saying as do the other guys above. There is no forum v forum conflict, this is far more about the decline in quality in one forum whereas this one will never accept it. I hate seeing groups classified as RS, FB and even here (we've got plenty of tools on this forum too but they stay in check for the most part) because in saying X is **** or whatever then that's some of my mates' haunts. I enjoy RS, FB and here - this is my home and will be. But it saddens me to see the state of once great places.
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Soap box time.
There are tools in all walks of life. That's a fact that everyone of us deals with everyday. Even some of us tools have to deal with super-tools and no doubt not a single tool is aware of their gifted tool status because it's someone else's opinion. And most of the time that opinion is based on an intolerance of the person with that opinion. I'm guilty of it myself. We all are.
I doubt a single person here believes that "All RS members are X" or "All FB users are Y" or all SWFUKers are the funniest, warmest, best looking and only genuine SW collectors that exist". To dismiss a group of people in their entirety is ignorant. Dependent upon the group being dismissed/categorised/treated differently it can be illegal. Doesn't mean folk don't do it, though.
I read, and partake, in the banter that appears on this forum about FB and RS in the same way as I do about other groups of this vintage collecting community: with a rye smile and an open mind. We've all got friends on FB and RS. I can say that with certainty because I consider most of us on here as friends. Maybe not one big goddam communal hug but in a shared interest, shared space and shared generation kind of way. Anyone that buys or sells me something, that compliments a post or purchase, that provides advice or guidance or that I share a joke with here is consider to be a friend by me. You won't get a Christmas card and nor will you come to my next housewarming party, but I'm happy to call you friend.
I'll continue to take the piss out of FB. I'll continue to use FB. I'll continue to take the piss out of RS. I'll continue to use RS. I'll continue to take the piss out of Stu. I won't use you Stu, promise It's what makes this place a fun place to be. It's what makes it alive. And remember: offence is taken, never given. (Stole that, can't remember who said it but they have a point).
Above all else, can we please remember we're talking about toys here? Great, great toys that captured our imaginations, that forged friendships and caused fights, that made our Christmases and Birthdays or caused us strife when we lost them. But toys, none the less.
There are tools in all walks of life. That's a fact that everyone of us deals with everyday. Even some of us tools have to deal with super-tools and no doubt not a single tool is aware of their gifted tool status because it's someone else's opinion. And most of the time that opinion is based on an intolerance of the person with that opinion. I'm guilty of it myself. We all are.
I doubt a single person here believes that "All RS members are X" or "All FB users are Y" or all SWFUKers are the funniest, warmest, best looking and only genuine SW collectors that exist". To dismiss a group of people in their entirety is ignorant. Dependent upon the group being dismissed/categorised/treated differently it can be illegal. Doesn't mean folk don't do it, though.
I read, and partake, in the banter that appears on this forum about FB and RS in the same way as I do about other groups of this vintage collecting community: with a rye smile and an open mind. We've all got friends on FB and RS. I can say that with certainty because I consider most of us on here as friends. Maybe not one big goddam communal hug but in a shared interest, shared space and shared generation kind of way. Anyone that buys or sells me something, that compliments a post or purchase, that provides advice or guidance or that I share a joke with here is consider to be a friend by me. You won't get a Christmas card and nor will you come to my next housewarming party, but I'm happy to call you friend.
I'll continue to take the piss out of FB. I'll continue to use FB. I'll continue to take the piss out of RS. I'll continue to use RS. I'll continue to take the piss out of Stu. I won't use you Stu, promise
It's what makes this place a fun place to be. It's what makes it alive. And remember: offence is taken, never given. (Stole that, can't remember who said it but they have a point). Above all else, can we please remember we're talking about toys here? Great, great toys that captured our imaginations, that forged friendships and caused fights, that made our Christmases and Birthdays or caused us strife when we lost them. But toys, none the less.
Ian_C
Jedi Master
ScruffyLookingNH said:
It may have been at one time, until I got here. :|
Wait for it.......
Now I take that claim for myself. :twisted: :lol:
Just kidding. Good post SLNH, and I agree with all of it.
Ian
Bonsai_Tree_Ent
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ScruffyLookingNH said:Soap box time.
There are tools in all walks of life. That's a fact that everyone of us deals with everyday. Even some of us tools have to deal with super-tools and no doubt not a single tool is aware of their gifted tool status because it's someone else's opinion. And most of the time that opinion is based on an intolerance of the person with that opinion. I'm guilty of it myself. We all are.
I doubt a single person here believes that "All RS members are X" or "All FB users are Y" or all SWFUKers are the funniest, warmest, best looking and only genuine SW collectors that exist". To dismiss a group of people in their entirety is ignorant. Dependent upon the group being dismissed/categorised/treated differently it can be illegal. Doesn't mean folk don't do it, though.
I read, and partake, in the banter that appears on this forum about FB and RS in the same way as I do about other groups of this vintage collecting community: with a rye smile and an open mind. We've all got friends on FB and RS. I can say that with certainty because I consider most of us on here as friends. Maybe not one big goddam communal hug but in a shared interest, shared space and shared generation kind of way. Anyone that buys or sells me something, that compliments a post or purchase, that provides advice or guidance or that I share a joke with here is consider to be a friend by me. You won't get a Christmas card and nor will you come to my next housewarming party, but I'm happy to call you friend.
I'll continue to take the piss out of FB. I'll continue to use FB. I'll continue to take the piss out of RS. I'll continue to use RS. I'll continue to take the piss out of Stu. I won't use you Stu, promise
Above all else, can we please remember we're talking about toys here? Great, great toys that captured our imaginations, that forged friendships and caused fights, that made our Christmases and Birthdays or caused us strife when we lost them. But toys, none the less.
If only this post had been just a bit shorter I'd have had it printed on a T-shirt. Luvverly stuff!
darth_daddius
Jedi Knight
Yeah good post.
Also, I am now officially a 'regular' having made 50 posts!
Cheers,
Pat
Also, I am now officially a 'regular' having made 50 posts!
Cheers,
Pat
darth_daddius
Jedi Knight
A little stubby!
How do you make it red? No, not for THAT reason...... Just to match my focus
Pat
How do you make it red? No, not for THAT reason...... Just to match my focus
Pat
Welcome to our wretched hive of scum & villainy Pat! 8)
Richard_H
Grand Master
darth_daddius said:A little stubby!
How do you make it red? No, not for THAT reason...... Just to match my focus
Pat
2500 posts. When you hit 5000 you get a shitty grey one.
darth_daddius
Jedi Knight
2500!!!! Oh man......
Pat
Pat
cantinos
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I think this is also my 50th post. wahey
just to stay on topic. Reproduction is a synonym for fake. And there always the likelihood of somebody getting shafted by somebody selling them as original further down the line. there should be a clearer indication of recent manufacture.
there also not worth the price.
I purchased a beater box with toy for less then a low quality fake box that will look new/mint for a couple of months.
The days of mint original box collecting on a budget are long gone.
Beater boxes are far better then fake crap.
just to stay on topic. Reproduction is a synonym for fake. And there always the likelihood of somebody getting shafted by somebody selling them as original further down the line. there should be a clearer indication of recent manufacture.
there also not worth the price.
I purchased a beater box with toy for less then a low quality fake box that will look new/mint for a couple of months.
The days of mint original box collecting on a budget are long gone.
Beater boxes are far better then fake crap.
