I can't disagree with that. If Dier was still playing like he did a few years ago, I'd have no problem with him, but on current form he simply shouldn't be picked.
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He's just simply not fit enough. Traoré is twice his size, and was running rings around him. Granted the entire back four were weoful as usual, so it wasn't just Dier's fault, but with the counter attacking nature of the modern game we need players who are quick (not Dier) and can tackle (not Aldweweireld) in centre back. I spent years complaining about our defence under Poch, I thought surely that's the one thing Jose can bring to the table, but apparently not!
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I did. They haven't been great recently. They only beat WH on Monday night Fabianski had a shocker. They were also pish against Atleti. I was surprised by the magnitude of the defeat but not surprised they lost a game. It had been in the post for a while.
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Yeah, everyone gets lucky a few times in the season. If you look back on results you see penalties that could have been given or not given in your favour and opposition players missing sitters, or your dodgy CB blasting one in to the top corner from 30 yards a-la Kompany. Pool had been ropey in the last few weeks tho.
I don't think it was running out of luck that cost them though. Watford were just better. A lot better. All over the pitch. Pool's front 3 may as well have been at home. The midfield was slow and that's the worst defensive display I have seen since Moreno last played. WTF Lovern is doing for the first goal I will never know. You don't let it bounce in your box. After you let in bounce you don't let their CF step in front of you so you can't do anything. Attack the ****ing ball, clear it before it bounces, you're a CB THAT'S YOUR JOB! Still, I think everyone knows my opinion of Lovern. The second goal was a shambles, someone has to make sure it goes out, and the CB and LB need to make sure that ball that cut them both out of the game, is not on. The final one was a bollock drop by TAA. I had just text a mate to say how shite TAA was playing (his set piece deliver was atrocious, absolutely atrocious) when he passes straight to a Watford boy in Liverpool's box. You can't really legislate for **** ups like that. Hopefully that's them all out of the system now.
I'm not that worried about losing. Tiz a bit disappointing not to go the season unbeaten, but Pool still have a few tricky games to go, and let's be honest, that result should not affect the title race. So it's no more than a disappointment. What does worry me, a lot. Is the fact Watford literally copied Atleti's game plan. Sit in your own final third, don't even bother trying to press until then, and when it comes near you crowd the man on the ball, deny him space, and kick him if you have to. Both sides did it bloody well for 90 mins. In both games Pool have 72% possession. In both games Pool had ONE shot on target. All they did was pass it sideways and backwards. If it did get to the front three, they either ate it and lost it, or bounced it straight back in to midfield for it to go sideways and backwards again.
Atleti will turn up at Anfield and try and on that for 90 mins, and on the evidence of Sat night, Pool have not got a ****ing clue how to break it down or what the hell to do. THAT worries me. WTF have they done at training in the last 10 days!?
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I haven't seen MOTD yet, but I am surprised at how many goals Spurs are conceding. I always associated Jose with joyless, defensive, "we'll frustrate you and nick a goal" football. But at Spurs so far it has been, well, just ****. Have they actually played well since Jose took over/ They have won a few games but a lot of them were against the run of play or the kinda game that could have gone either way. I'm not sure I can thin of a decent performance under Jose.
Like Lovern, everyone knows my opinion of Jose, but surely the one thing he should be able to do is organise a defence? Rafa could do it at Newcastle with players of a much lower calibre. Burnley do it week in week out and they don't have a squad that's even close to Spurs' talent wise, Watford have just made Liverpool look like a poor Championship side and how many Watford players would get in Spurs team!?
Either there is something massively rotten at Spurs, or I was right and Jose really is yesterday's man and was a shite appointment.
Ohh and ehh can someone explain to me why Everton's winner was disallowed?
Yes, Siggy is in an offisde position, but ehh he is lying on the ****ing ground. DDG can quite clearly see over him, give DDG is 6 foot something we could have got Warwick ****ing Davis to STAND where Siggy was lying and DDG would still have been able to see the ball clearly. The fact he starts to move when the shot is hit, and then tries to react when Maguire deflects it shows he could see it both times. Siggy even pulls his legs in so as not to interfere. It's a complete nonsense. That is the definition of "not interfering".
VAR REALLY does not help itself with decisions like that. The offside little toe I can take, it is offside after all, but the "not interfering with play" rule was brought in specifically for situations like that.
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He can't beat Ole though! :lol:
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Ha, well Solskjaer had a similar run of lucky results at the start of his MU tenure, but it didn't last long (obviously he had to get a win over Spurs in there before turning to ****.) I still think Frank's going to run out of steam soon. And from a neutrals point of view, last night's result makes the FA Cup a bit more open now. Hopefully City don't get to the final and then it might actually be interesting!
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They will.
Have you seen the draws they have had in domestic cups over the last few years? They'll get the weakest side left in, probably at the Etihad.
As for Pool last night. The best side won.
That's four games (Atleti, WH, Watford and Chelsea) in a row where Pool have created **** all squared and defended like idiots.
The goals they scored against WH were all due to Fabianski having a stinker.
The lack of creativity up front is slightly excused last night as Mane, Minamino and Origi cant have played together much. Ditto Fabinho, Lallana and Jones in Midfield. But that is only a slight excuse. Their last shot on target was in the 31st minute FFS.
Yet again, they had 70% possession, yet Chelsea had the four or five best chances. Yet again they were flat and slow. Yet again they made stupid mistakes defensively (partially, but only partially excused by the unfamiliar line up in the back4/5).
As I keep saying, Atleti will turn up and sit deep, deny Pool space, niggle away, dive, time waste, boot people, and the way Pool are playing they will pass slowly backwards and sideways before hitting an aimless cross onto an Atleti CB's head and then dropping a bollock defensively. If
Atleti go 1 up at Anfield it's game over. Pool won't score 3 against a flat back 10.
At the minute I would put A LOT of money on winning 1 or 2 nil on the night and 2 or 3 on aggregate.
Losing to Watford is disappointing. Losing in the FAC is not even remotely surprising as Klopp doesn't give a **** about domestic cups. But losing to Atleti playing the way Pool are atm after having played so well all season would be a massive disappointment.
With the league sewn up I'm really surprised he didn't take last night more seriously, it's been nearly 10 years since they got to an FA Cup final, and although it's not the prestigious cup it was in 1991 ( :lol: ) it's surely the best domestic cup to win, and what fan doesn't love a double/treble etc. Nobody remembers a one-off league title, look at Leicester or Blackburn.
Yeah. I guess he wanted to use it as a chance to give a few kids and squad players a run out. It is Liverpool's least important game, until they have mathematically won the title.
It was a dammed if he did, dammed if he didn't.
The kids got Pool that far so if he binned them for the 1st team and someone got injured suddenly he has taken an unnecessary risk.
If he plays the kids, or a weakened side and loses people ask why he didn't play a stronger side.
Obviously if he had won, no one would have said a thing.
It does establish a bit more negative momentum. Which is hardly idea, with Atleti up in a week.
It was a dammed if he did, dammed if he didn't.
The kids got Pool that far so if he binned them for the 1st team and someone got injured suddenly he has taken an unnecessary risk.
If he plays the kids, or a weakened side and loses people ask why he didn't play a stronger side.
Obviously if he had won, no one would have said a thing.
It does establish a bit more negative momentum. Which is hardly idea, with Atleti up in a week.
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Looking at the two domestic cups its 7 years now since a club outside the so called top 6 won either, surly that means they are becoming imprtant again? I don't understand Liverpool resting players, the league is done and dusted, they could lose their next 5 games and still win it! City are going to drop more points for sure.
I always think as a supporter its nice to have a Cup final to look forward to at the and of the season, Liverpool should have gone for it.
Man City can't keep getting these easy draws, their luck will change soon.
I always think as a supporter its nice to have a Cup final to look forward to at the and of the season, Liverpool should have gone for it.
Man City can't keep getting these easy draws, their luck will change soon.
This is a real worrying low point for Spurs. Forget the result, penalties can go either way, but everything about that match was pathetic. Spurs haven't looked this bad since the 00s, and thats not good news. For the last 5 or six seasons I felt we've been unlucky and deserved to win something, but this team deserves jack ****.
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JM is finished, he even knows it. The Spurs job is to big for him, he will be out of that job by the end of this year.
See all the big sides left avoided each other in the quarterfinals and City got another nice draw, at least they are away!
See all the big sides left avoided each other in the quarterfinals and City got another nice draw, at least they are away!
And as for Tim Krul's behaviour, at what point do 'mind games' cross the line? Should the referee not have penalised him for wasting time, talking to the players etc? Hard to call yourself a sportsman when you display zero sportsmanship.
theforceuk said:
Ehhh......
edd_jedi said:
theforceuk said:
That is a pish result for Spurs. Granted it's "only" the FAC but that is Spurs best and only (realistic) chance of winning something this season. I haven't seen any of the game bar a twitter video of Dier going for a fight in the crowd. I suspect the Fa will be on to him today. As I said the other day, have Spurs played well at all under Jose?
Well the recent win over City was a great result, but not exactly what I would call a dream performance. Saying that, I rarely saw a comfortable Spurs victory under Poch either, the last one I can remember was the 6-0 whooping of Everton over a year ago. I think it goes deeper than the manager, a long ingrained lack of confidence from decades of failures. They just buckle under the slightest bit of pressure, and apparently new players, a new stadium, and a new manager can't solve that problem. Not sure where they go next TBH, it's not like there are any better managers or players begging for jobs at the moment. This season is over, so they may as well bow out of the CL, secure a mid table finish, and give Jose the chance to refresh the squad over the summer.
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I agree that is a possability Jose turning it around if he is given time, but its a big gamble. He will want a fat wedge of cash and if it doesn't work we all know what happens, Spurs will be in a bigger mess than when he took over and they will have paid him £20 odd million for the privilege. I guess it depends on what would be considered a success for Spurs next season as well, a top 4 finish or challenging for the league and putting a trophie in the cabinet.
I'm being carefull what I say here as Man Utd are not exactly doing much better than Spurs and will probably crash out tonight with a Wayne Rooney winner................
I'm being carefull what I say here as Man Utd are not exactly doing much better than Spurs and will probably crash out tonight with a Wayne Rooney winner................
Ederson is some keeper! :roll:
****s up for the first one and then out does himself for the second. The last goal was kinda irrelevant, Utd had already won, but **** me! :roll:
Good to see Pool aren't the only side that can't break down a flat back 10. I just hope sides don't see this as the new tactic, "sod 4-3-3, let's play 5-5-0" Cos my god it's dull to watch.
Not slagging Utd, they dominated the first half and deserved to win and I guess getting pinned in by THAT City side is nothing to be ashamed of. But 5-5-0 is horrible for a neutral. Now watch Atleti give a master class in it on Wed nite!
Good to see Jose has turned over a new leaf and isn't bucking people under a bus to distract from a shite performance. That man NEVER changes.
****s up for the first one and then out does himself for the second. The last goal was kinda irrelevant, Utd had already won, but **** me! :roll:
Good to see Pool aren't the only side that can't break down a flat back 10. I just hope sides don't see this as the new tactic, "sod 4-3-3, let's play 5-5-0" Cos my god it's dull to watch.
Not slagging Utd, they dominated the first half and deserved to win and I guess getting pinned in by THAT City side is nothing to be ashamed of. But 5-5-0 is horrible for a neutral. Now watch Atleti give a master class in it on Wed nite!
Good to see Jose has turned over a new leaf and isn't bucking people under a bus to distract from a shite performance. That man NEVER changes.
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OGS has worked out the best way to beat City, 3 wins out of 4 this season, they out classed us in the first half of the League Cup at OT, apart from that we have given them a good game every time. City missed Kevin De Bruyne for sure, have a feeling they may have got something with him playing.
Pep made me lough after the game saying Man Utd kept knocking the long ball over the top! Firstly he should be more worried that they can't defend one long ball over the top and secondly if a really good 30-40 yard pass is a long ball then great Kevin De Bruyne is the master of them.
Pep made me lough after the game saying Man Utd kept knocking the long ball over the top! Firstly he should be more worried that they can't defend one long ball over the top and secondly if a really good 30-40 yard pass is a long ball then great Kevin De Bruyne is the master of them.
I think it's the same old story, Utd play better against good sides cos they are pinned in and they are forced to play on the break. That suits their style/players.
Granted they dominated the bulk of the first half but the second was a flat back 10. It'll be interesting to see if they can beat the lesser lights. They do look better ATM. I dunno if that's cos of Fernandes signing or just a random decent run. They had a good run when OGS started and then the wheels came off.
Looking good for EL win though. Nice draw and hitting form. That will get them seeded in pot 1 for CL too.
I was surprised David Silva stayed on the bench. The game was crying out for someone to thread a pass through the eye if a needle and bar KDB he is about the best at it.
Granted they dominated the bulk of the first half but the second was a flat back 10. It'll be interesting to see if they can beat the lesser lights. They do look better ATM. I dunno if that's cos of Fernandes signing or just a random decent run. They had a good run when OGS started and then the wheels came off.
Looking good for EL win though. Nice draw and hitting form. That will get them seeded in pot 1 for CL too.
I was surprised David Silva stayed on the bench. The game was crying out for someone to thread a pass through the eye if a needle and bar KDB he is about the best at it.
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Yeah I forgot about Silva, he would have been perfect to create something, why he didn't come on? :?
As for Man Utd's run, exactly what you said. We do seem to be playing better but I will make judgment at the end of May, still a lot to play for, but we've had a lot of false dawns, so I'm not holding my breath! Taken 6 points from City this season, not sure if that's a good thing seen as Liverpool are 25 points clear. :lol:
