'Palitoy' Loose Figure Variants?

[snaggletooth]

Thanks for passing that on as that sounds to be what I've always heard. You never know with these things though as just when you think you've got the answers something new comes along to change everything.

When I first looked into this whole palitoy Coo thing I was hoping that there would be marking unique to the UK released figures but it became evident pretty quickly that that wasn't the case. For me I always wanted to put a set of the first 20 together to get as close to my childhood set as I could. I'm hoping with the figures I've picked up over the years from resealed cards that I should be able to get a fairly accurate answer to what figure coo came with what card back. I know it's bound to have changed over the coarse of the release of the first 20 but i'm doubting it changed that much in the short time those first 20 were available. i'm pretty sure my findings will be roughly the same as the first issue Kenner ones and that's why it would be good to see a coo guide, in order of release, of the first 20. Anyone come across a link that fits the bill?

Hi Palifan, there is some no COO figures on Palitoys ESB cards, as Spoons says thats not the case with Han Hoth but for example I was speaking to Rog about some bounty hunters I had when I first started collecting and he confirmed that Bossk No COO was found on Palitoy ESB, also another different No COO Bossk that I had was found on Palitoy ROTJ and Tri cards, he also told me that a HK Bossk I had, identical to the ROTJ/Tri Bossk but with the HK COO was released between them both on Palitoy ROTJ cards.

I'd love to see all your figures and COO's that you've picked up on Palitoy resealed cards and I also suspect the earlier ones are HK 2 line COO's.

It would be great if we could all use this thread to get down some of the figures known to appear on Palitoys, backed up by pictures of those sealed on there cards.

To my knowledge there are no variants exlusive to Palitoy cards. Palitoy did not produce any figures they just packaged them. The figures on Palitoy cards were mainly made in Asia and a very small amount may have been made in Spain.

The typical Hong Kong and Taiwan COO figures that are most commonly found on US Kenner cards can also be found on Palitoy and other European cards. The No COO "Euro variants" frequently found on Palitoy and other European cards can also be found on US Kenner cards. All were made in Asia and either packaged there before being distributed across the world or if they were being sent to another country for packaging (in Europe for example) the COO was usually removed first.

The No COO scar "PBP" figures appear to have mainly been made in Spain but many of them can also be found on palitoy and other European cards so it is likely they were made in Spain and either shipped to other European countries for packaging or packaged on Tri Logo cards and then distributed.

To complicate matters a lot of figures that were shipped for packaging were also then exported to other countries after.

So there really are very few foreign variants that are exclusive to the country whose card they appeared on - especailly as far as figures sold in Europe goes.

For example:

"Tri Logo" Light blue Fett can be found on Palitoy, PBP and Tri logo cards
"Tri Logo" Luke Bespin with very dark brown boots can also be found on Palitoy, PBP and Tri Logo
The so called "Palitoy" White fur Chief Chirpa can also be on Kenner cards.
"PBP" Bossk with hard torso and fat lips can be found on PBP and Tri Logo cards.
"PBP" Luke X-Wing with dark orange hard torso can be found on PBP and Tri Logo cards.
"PBP" Luke Farmboy with hard torso can be found on PBP and Palitoy cards

I dont know about the Palitoy 4-Lom. I've heard that it has an exclusive COO. Perhaps it does but I dont believe it has any paint or mould characteristics unique to Palitoy. Certainly Palitoy didnt make it -it was made in Asia so i would be surprised if it didn't turn up in other countries too.

Hi Oli, great post and I have a few questions if you dont mind, do you now think some figures are made by PBP as I thought you thought they where all made in Asia?

What about the No COO CCP and No COO White BSG, I've read that they are exclusive to Palitoy, can you shead any light on any other cards they apear on?

Why are the Euro no coo/Tri-logo figures called Euro variants if there found on US Kenner cards? Are they all found on Kenner or just a select few?

I don't know if some of the PBP scared figures where packaged on Tri-logos before being distributed by PBP but some of them are found on Palitoy ROTJ cards and also in clear baggies that are the same as the Palitoy ones, IMO they where made in Spain and sent over to the UK bagged to be carded. Also if they where carded in Spain why the HK COO's on the cards?

Your examples are a great to, the 2 described as Tri-logo variants are found on ROTJ Palitoys and probibly ROTJ PBP. Dont know about luke FB but the other 2 are also found on Tri-logo cards but they are PBP? Do you think the Luke with dark boots and the Fett are PBP made?

Thanks
Scott

 

[snaggletooth]

The typical Hong Kong and Taiwan COO figures that are most commonly found on US Kenner cards can also be found on Palitoy and other European cards. The No COO "Euro variants" frequently found on Palitoy and other European cards can also be found on US Kenner cards. All were made in Asia and either packaged there before being distributed across the world or if they were being sent to another country for packaging (in Europe for example) the COO was usually removed first.

Hi Oli, why where the COO's removed if they where being sent to another country, I was under the impression that's just the way Kenner was going with all there COO's. Why are there more HK figures if that's the case, also wheren't Kenner also carding the No COO figures?

 

[olisuds]

Hi Oli, great post and I have a few questions if you dont mind, do you now think some figures are made by PBP as I thought you thought they where all made in Asia?

What about the No COO CCP and No COO White BSG, I've read that they are exclusive to Palitoy, can you shead any light on any other cards they apear on?

Why are the Euro no coo/Tri-logo figures called Euro variants if there found on US Kenner cards? Are they all found on Kenner or just a select few?

I don't know if some of the PBP scared figures where packaged on Tri-logos before being distributed by PBP but some of them are found on Palitoy ROTJ cards and also in clear baggies that are the same as the Palitoy ones, IMO they where made in Spain and sent over to the UK bagged to be carded. Also if they where carded in Spain why the HK COO's on the cards?

Your examples are a great to, the 2 described as Tri-logo variants are found on ROTJ Palitoys and probibly ROTJ PBP. Dont know about luke FB but the other 2 are also found on Tri-logo cards but they are PBP? Do you think the Luke with dark boots and the Fett are PBP made?

Thanks
Scott

Hi Scott, IMO most figures packaged on PBP cards were made in Asia and the same as those on other European or some US Kenner cards apart from a small number of very rare variants that were exclusive to PBP. This is what makes true PBP figures quite rare and unique. IMO and I believe the POCH figures were ALL made in Asia as they all share the same COO and mould details of US Kenner figures.

I'll be honest and say that I can't be certain there isn't a no COO CCP or white BSG exclusive to Palitoy but if there is, the difference is purely COO and there are no physical differences in paint application colour or mold detail. Same goes for any other so called Palitoy variant. The problem then is how to proove a variant is exclusive to a particular card when the figure has no physical difference other than COO markings which are often hidden or impossible to see when carded. Can you be certain the no COO CCP and white BSG are only found on Palitoy cards and not some PBP or Meccano for instance?

When I use the term No COO Euro variants I don't mean to suggest that all no COO figures are European but no COO figures are more commonly found in Europe. And all confirmed Euro variants to my knowledge are no COO (apart from POCH). I use the term Euro variant because unlike Lili Ledy, Glasslite, Top Toys, Takara, very few European variants were exclusive to one country or in fact made in the country they were sold in.

Yes some so called Euro variants especially the commonly wrongly termed Tri Logo variants can also be found in the US although to be fair they are very uncommon. However this further backs up the likelihood that these Euro variants were made in Asia and not Europe.

And yes some so called PBP figures were found on Tri Logo cards (Dark Brown rebel soldier and hard torso Luke X-Wing) and some were found on Palitoy cards (PBP Bossk and PBP Luke FB). We're they produced in Spain? Probably as they share common characteristics of other known exclusive PBP variants. But I don't think anyone can say with absolute certainty. And as you say, why the Hong Kong COO on the cards. Perhaps they were all made in Asia after all. Or perhaps that since the majority of figures they packaged were from Asia they just used the same cards for the Spanish made ones too?

Do I think that the Luke with dark boots and light blue Fett are PBP made? No I don't think so. They are just as  commonly found through out Europe and they don't appear to be made of the same plastic or have the same paint aps as the figures that I believe are truly PBP.

It's very difficult to analyse where figures were made or sold purely based on their COO markings because molds are transported back and forth between countries. COO markings are shared, removed, replaced and even worn or damaged over time. Countries import and export before and after packing. Overstock is shipped to other countries.

 

[olisuds]

The typical Hong Kong and Taiwan COO figures that are most commonly found on US Kenner cards can also be found on Palitoy and other European cards. The No COO "Euro variants" frequently found on Palitoy and other European cards can also be found on US Kenner cards. All were made in Asia and either packaged there before being distributed across the world or if they were being sent to another country for packaging (in Europe for example) the COO was usually removed first.

Hi Oli, why where the COO's removed if they where being sent to another country, I was under the impression that's just the way Kenner was going with all there COO's. Why are there more HK figures if that's the case, also wheren't Kenner also carding the No COO figures?

Most no COO figures seem to originate in Europe where as most figures with COO seem to originate in the US. Since all Kenner carded figures (apart from made in Mexico) were made and packaged in Asia it makes sense that they keep the COO marking. However it does appear that a lot of figures that were shipped to Europe for packaging have No COO markings. By the time of the ROTJ wave figures and tri logo packaging in Europe it does appear that a lot more figures on US Kenner cards also had no COO markings too.

 

[snaggletooth]

Hi Oli, great post and I have a few questions if you dont mind, do you now think some figures are made by PBP as I thought you thought they where all made in Asia?

What about the No COO CCP and No COO White BSG, I've read that they are exclusive to Palitoy, can you shead any light on any other cards they apear on?

Why are the Euro no coo/Tri-logo figures called Euro variants if there found on US Kenner cards? Are they all found on Kenner or just a select few?

I don't know if some of the PBP scared figures where packaged on Tri-logos before being distributed by PBP but some of them are found on Palitoy ROTJ cards and also in clear baggies that are the same as the Palitoy ones, IMO they where made in Spain and sent over to the UK bagged to be carded. Also if they where carded in Spain why the HK COO's on the cards?

Your examples are a great to, the 2 described as Tri-logo variants are found on ROTJ Palitoys and probibly ROTJ PBP. Dont know about luke FB but the other 2 are also found on Tri-logo cards but they are PBP? Do you think the Luke with dark boots and the Fett are PBP made?

Thanks
Scott

Hi Scott, IMO most figures packaged on PBP cards were made in Asia and the same as those on other European or some US Kenner cards apart from a small number of very rare variants that were exclusive to PBP. This is what makes true PBP figures quite rare and unique. IMO and I believe the POCH figures were ALL made in Asia as they all share the same COO and mould details of US Kenner figures.

I'll be honest and say that I can't be certain there isn't a no COO CCP or white BSG exclusive to Palitoy but if there is, the difference is purely COO and there are no physical differences in paint application colour or mold detail. Same goes for any other so called Palitoy variant. The problem then is how to proove a variant is exclusive to a particular card when the figure has no physical difference other than COO markings which are often hidden or impossible to see when carded. Can you be certain the no COO CCP and white BSG are only found on Palitoy cards and not some PBP or Meccano for instance?

When I use the term No COO Euro variants I don't mean to suggest that all no COO figures are European but no COO figures are more commonly found in Europe. And all confirmed Euro variants to my knowledge are no COO (apart from POCH). I use the term Euro variant because unlike Lili Ledy, Glasslite, Top Toys, Takara, very few European variants were exclusive to one country or in fact made in the country they were sold in.

Yes some so called Euro variants especially the commonly wrongly termed Tri Logo variants can also be found in the US although to be fair they are very uncommon. However this further backs up the likelihood that these Euro variants were made in Asia and not Europe.

And yes some so called PBP figures were found on Tri Logo cards (Dark Brown rebel soldier and hard torso Luke X-Wing) and some were found on Palitoy cards (PBP Bossk and PBP Luke FB). We're they produced in Spain? Probably as they share common characteristics of other known exclusive PBP variants. But I don't think anyone can say with absolute certainty. And as you say, why the Hong Kong COO on the cards. Perhaps they were all made in Asia after all. Or perhaps that since the majority of figures they packaged were from Asia they just used the same cards for the Spanish made ones too?

Do I think that the Luke with dark boots and light blue Fett are PBP made? No I don't think so. They are just as  commonly found through out Europe and they don't appear to be made of the same plastic or have the same paint aps as the figures that I believe are truly PBP.

It's very difficult to analyse where figures were made or sold purely based on their COO markings because molds are transported back and forth between countries. COO markings are shared, removed, replaced and even worn or damaged over time. Countries import and export before and after packing. Overstock is shipped to other countries.

Hi Oli, great reply mate and I could talk about this Euro production all day

What would you say are exclusive to PBP? IMO if its made in spain then its a PBP figure no matter how rare, common or what card its found on, I've probably changed my mind 20 times now on the Aisa/spain production thing when it comes to POCH but I'm still not convinced that there not Spanish made. I don't know how relevant but collecting UK childhood lots for 2 years MIHK figures where the hardest for me to find here and as you probably know the MIHK factory was different to the HK one that was suppling Palitoy. Palitoy where also supplying Clipper with figures and thats why IMO PBP appear over there and also in Gremany. If PBP where making there figures then they would have been doing it on a mass scale as they where suplying Meccano and Palitoy with certain figures, but different Characters, also the US Kenner

Do you agree there where Taiwan, HK, MIHK, CHINA, MACAU, PBP(Spain) Factories all producing figures for the European market and do you think they all where making NO COO figures for ROTJ/POTF cards?

I'm not saying there is Palitoy exclusives but I imagain there must be, proving it is another thing though and they probably are only the COO's. I personally think theres a lot more that can be said about the history of a figure through the COO or the lack of COO. I haven't got a clue if the No COO CCP is exclusive to Palitoy but it is hard to find and personally, I believe the other No COO CCP was made in Macau. Palitoy could have also had both though as they did have other so called Meccano Variants. I read that the BSG was found on the famous Tri card, mayby that applies to the CCP.

I also agree with your third paragraph and more the reason why I think Variants should be called by where they where made and not what cards they are exclusive to. Interesting that you don't think those two figures are Made by PBP to, is there any other deep scar figures you don't thing where made in Spain?

When you say the Molds where moved from country to country, HK and MIHK to Spain. China, Macau and Spain to Mexico. Who else received molds from who?

What about the China raised bar figures, is that the amended COO's from the MIHK factory and whats the connection to Macau, they both produced figures using the same methods to remove the COO's but to different characters?

 

[snaggletooth]

The typical Hong Kong and Taiwan COO figures that are most commonly found on US Kenner cards can also be found on Palitoy and other European cards. The No COO "Euro variants" frequently found on Palitoy and other European cards can also be found on US Kenner cards. All were made in Asia and either packaged there before being distributed across the world or if they were being sent to another country for packaging (in Europe for example) the COO was usually removed first.

Hi Oli, why where the COO's removed if they where being sent to another country, I was under the impression that's just the way Kenner was going with all there COO's. Why are there more HK figures if that's the case, also wheren't Kenner also carding the No COO figures?

Most no COO figures seem to originate in Europe where as most figures with COO seem to originate in the US. Since all Kenner carded figures (apart from made in Mexico) were made and packaged in Asia it makes sense that they keep the COO marking. However it does appear that a lot of figures that were shipped to Europe for packaging have No COO markings. By the time of the ROTJ wave figures and tri logo packaging in Europe it does appear that a lot more figures on US Kenner cards also had no COO markings too.

I agree that most the no COO figures originate in Europe and the COO's from the US but think Kenner where just going down the No COO route anyways as you can see with the last 13 ROTJ figures. Just that the Europeans did it first and asked there HK factories to get on the case from the end of ESB production.

 

[olisuds]

Hey Scott apologies for taking so long to get back to you mate. I wrote out a fairly lengthy response to you on my mobile and was going to finish it off this morning. Unfortunately my daughter ran off with my phone this morning and hid it somewhere so i will have to wait until I get home tonight to post it

In short yes I absolutely believe PBP made some figures but most figures on PBP cards were made in Asia. Only a small proportion of the figures on PBP cards were actually made in Spain and therefore true PBP figures are quite rare and unique. POCH figures IMO were all made in Asia.

Some notable PBP figures exclusive to Spain are:

4-Lom Red tinted chest armour (PBP)
Cloud car Pilot hard torso and white face (PBP)
Luke Hoth hard torso and white face (PBP)
Luke X-Wing hard torso and white face/hands (PBP)
Biker Scout - hard torso and different mould detail (PBP)
Rebel Soldier dark Brown with white face (PBP)
Rebel Commander black boots (PBP)
TIE Pilot with AT-AT emblems (PBP)

Some notable PBP figures not exclusive to Spain are:

Luke X-Wing hard torso and pink face/hands (PBP/Tri Logo)
Rebel Soldier dark Brown with pink face (PBP/Tri Logo)
Bossk hard torso and big lips (PBP/Palitoy)
Luke Farmboy hard torso (PBP/Palitoy)

Anyway I'll finish my response when I manage to find my phone tonight

 

[olisuds]

The problem is if you want to name figures on the basis of where they were made regardless of whether they are exclusively found in one country or not then that means there are no Meccano or Palitoy or Clipper figures and probably no POCH either. They would all be Kenner variants!

The reason I think POCH figures are  made in Asia is because they share exactly the same mold detail and COO as Kenner. We know the molds originated in Asia and appear to have been in use at around the same time for the production of Kenner and POCH figures.

Which figures do I think are PBP? As in definitely made in Spain? I don't think anyone knows the definitive list for certain. Going back to my earlier point about molds moving from one country to another, COOs being altered and importing and exporting its very unrealistic to make so many deductions about where figures were made and what cards they were sold on based on COO markings alone. We can't really expect to know for sure so it's mostly guess work. Unless you spoke to Kenner, PBP or Palitoy factory workers but even then back in the 70s and 80s they probably didn't give it any thought about which particular figure variations were put on specific cards.

 

[olisuds]

Apologies, think we've gone a little off topic here discussing PBP/POCH. So the big question is how do we name or classify figures? If we name them by the country they were made in then there are no Palitoy or Meccano figures. It also leads to us jumping to very big conclusions without always having proof. Some figures, especially the European ones, we just don't know for sure where they were made. The alternative is to name figures after the cards they can be found on. This causes difficulties with Made in Mexico figures on Kenner cards now becoming called Lili Ledy / Kenner and also requires us to use the term Euro variant to describe a lot of figures in Europe including PBP, Meccano and Palitoy. However this would actually be my preference as  which cards a figure can be found on is much easier for us to know. Getting everyone to stick to the same method of naming figures is however IMO an impossible task.

 

[aussiejames]

And when the same figure is found on many cardbacks this 'naming' system gets ugly. ie it's the Chewbacca Kenner US 12A,B,D,F (or is it G) Canada 12A, GM, Toltoys.................... :lol:
**** it- it's the big brown furry dude

 

[olisuds]

I actually prefer your naming convention :lol:

But seriously, you have a good point! If you can't name a figure variation by the way it looks then its probably not worth naming in the first place!

 

[snaggletooth]

Hey Scott apologies for taking so long to get back to you mate. I wrote out a fairly lengthy response to you on my mobile and was going to finish it off this morning. Unfortunately my daughter ran off with my phone this morning and hid it somewhere so i will have to wait until I get home tonight to post it

In short yes I absolutely believe PBP made some figures but most figures on PBP cards were made in Asia. Only a small proportion of the figures on PBP cards were actually made in Spain and therefore true PBP figures are quite rare and unique. POCH figures IMO were all made in Asia.

Some notable PBP figures exclusive to Spain are:

4-Lom Red tinted chest armour (PBP)
Cloud car Pilot hard torso and white face (PBP)
Luke Hoth hard torso and white face (PBP)
Luke X-Wing hard torso and white face/hands (PBP)
Biker Scout - hard torso and different mould detail (PBP)
Rebel Soldier dark Brown with white face (PBP)
Rebel Commander black boots (PBP)
TIE Pilot with AT-AT emblems (PBP)

Some notable PBP figures not exclusive to Spain are:

Luke X-Wing hard torso and pink face/hands (PBP/Tri Logo)
Rebel Soldier dark Brown with pink face (PBP/Tri Logo)
Bossk hard torso and big lips (PBP/Palitoy)
Luke Farmboy hard torso (PBP/Palitoy)

Anyway I'll finish my response when I manage to find my phone tonight

No problem Oli and thanks for getting back to me, the RC was found on Tri cards too, all the white faces have been found loose in the UK over the years and it wouldn't surprise me at all if a few of them where packaged on the Palitoy's.

The problem is if you want to name figures on the basis of where they were made regardless of whether they are exclusively found in one country or not then that means there are no Meccano or Palitoy or Clipper figures and probably no POCH either. They would all be Kenner variants!

The reason I think POCH figures are  made in Asia is because they share exactly the same mold detail and COO as Kenner. We know the molds originated in Asia and appear to have been in use at around the same time for the production of Kenner and POCH figures.

Which figures do I think are PBP? As in definitely made in Spain? I don't think anyone knows the definitive list for certain. Going back to my earlier point about molds moving from one country to another, COOs being altered and importing and exporting its very unrealistic to make so many deductions about where figures were made and what cards they were sold on based on COO markings alone. We can't really expect to know for sure so it's mostly guess work. Unless you spoke to Kenner, PBP or Palitoy factory workers but even then back in the 70s and 80s they probably didn't give it any thought about which particular figure variations were put on specific cards.

Your right but I can't see how figures made for BPB, Palitoy and Meccano would all be Kenner variants. Palitoy where the main distributors for GM throughout Europe and I imagine that they where suplying meccano and PBP with these HK figures, I know we're never going to get to the bottom of all this but I bet it is a lot simpler than we think it is now.

Apologies, think we've gone a little off topic here discussing PBP/POCH. So the big question is how do we name or classify figures? If we name them by the country they were made in then there are no Palitoy or Meccano figures. It also leads to us jumping to very big conclusions without always having proof. Some figures, especially the European ones, we just don't know for sure where they were made. The alternative is to name figures after the cards they can be found on. This causes difficulties with Made in Mexico figures on Kenner cards now becoming called Lili Ledy / Kenner and also requires us to use the term Euro variant to describe a lot of figures in Europe including PBP, Meccano and Palitoy. However this would actually be my preference as  which cards a figure can be found on is much easier for us to know. Getting everyone to stick to the same method of naming figures is however IMO an impossible task.

You could name them by where there made and if it is exclusive you could just add Kenner, PBP, Palitoy ect. An impossible task for sure but its about time IMO that all the old wrong info gets corrected. I don't like the Euro variant term personally as there is several No COO figures for several different characters and there all found in Europe. That can be confusing if your after a certain one.

 

[wbobafett]

Hey Oli,

I know most of these are actual called and traded as PBP figures, but some of those are still unconfirmed as far as I know:

"Tri Logo" Light blue Fett can be found on Palitoy, PBP and Tri logo cards Assumed but not confirmed on PBP
"Tri Logo" Luke Bespin with very dark brown boots can also be found on Palitoy, PBP and Tri Logo Assumed but not confirmed on PBP
"PBP" Bossk with hard torso and fat lips can be found on PBP and Tri Logo cards. Assumed but not confirmed on PBP
etc etc etc


I dont want to go further into detail, it is normally only confusing people, so lets just be said: PBP cards are very rare and mostly disapear in private collections. Researches on those are veeeery difficult. We can only assume by what can be found loose in Spain what was maybe on those cards!

Fact is: PBP had also overstock from Asia packed on their cards and also fact is that Palitox must have had overstock from Spain to pack on their domestic cards...confusing??? indeed!!!

Cheers
Wolff

 

[olisuds]

Cheers Wolff, I didnt know that they weren't even confirmed on PBP cards. It sounds funny to call them PBP then if they are only confirmed on Palitoy. Maybe we should call them Palitoy?? :lol: That would upset everyone eh?

 

[edd_jedi]

Some great info guys. So it appears that I'm referring to PBP figures. That's strange because the only reason I recognise these types of figures is because I had them as a kid. The only explanation must be that they came on tri logo cards. I got most of my figures in the mid to late 80s so that would make sense.

 

[wbobafett]

Cheers Wolff, I didnt know that they weren't even confirmed on PBP cards. It sounds funny to call them PBP then if they are only confirmed on Palitoy. Maybe we should call them Palitoy?? :lol: That would upset everyone eh?

Woah......you are messing with the whole variant community?!??!?...LOLOLOLOL

No, I actually belive very strong that they must have appeared on spanish cards. As said these are very rare. Ever heard of a PBP Fett??? I saw a reseal once....there was a lightblue on it...does that count?? Of course not

Next point is I am pretty sure those were produced in Spain....though...Palitoy would be also not correct!!

(and in the end....every no coo figure is called Trilogo which is infact also wrong wrong wrong.... )

 

[olisuds]

Cheers Wolff, I didnt know that they weren't even confirmed on PBP cards. It sounds funny to call them PBP then if they are only confirmed on Palitoy. Maybe we should call them Palitoy?? :lol: That would upset everyone eh?

Woah......you are messing with the whole variant community?!??!?...LOLOLOLOL

No, I actually belive very strong that they must have appeared on spanish cards. As said these are very rare. Ever heard of a PBP Fett??? I saw a reseal once....there was a lightblue on it...does that count?? Of course not

Next point is I am pretty sure those were produced in Spain....though...Palitoy would be also not correct!!

(and in the end....every no coo figure is called Trilogo which is infact also wrong wrong wrong.... )

I'm just stirring up trouble because i dont collect variants anymore :lol:

If Palitoy isn't correct then we can't call anything Meccano either. I think what it comes down to is the English and French are just too lazy to argue the case for there own figures :lol:

 

[wbobafett]

I'm just stirring up trouble because i dont collect variants anymore :lol: .....

*Wbobafett goes away stripping some figures, smoothing out coos and selling them as unpainted firstshots*

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[olisuds]

I'm just stirring up trouble because i dont collect variants anymore :lol: .....

*Wbobafett goes away stripping some figures, smoothing out coos and selling them as unpainted firstshots*

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Maybe I'll paint some snowtroopers blue! OK Bootlegs has probably had enough controversy recently.

OK I'll be good :lol:

 

[wbobafett]

Maybe I'll paint some snowtroopers blue!

pfff.....better make some white rifles and blue skirts....would need those more :lol: