oasis supersonic film

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Supersonic is the story of Oasis with interviews, live performances etc.

At one point Noel Gallagher says of their Knebworth gig that it'll never be repeated by bands in the future, i.e one band playing a gig of that size.

Now I'm not sure whether that's been true after 20 years but it made me wonder if they were the last serious pop phenomena. By that i mean a serious band who actually write and play their own songs and have a major impact on not just pop or rock fans, but the whole of the population. The only other band i can compare Oasis to in terms of fame and song writing ability are The Beatles.

A reputed 4% of the UK population applied for tickets to that one gig.

It also made me think the Gallagher brothers were a product of their time. At the end of the day they came from a tough northern background. Would that happen with the post internet generation? I honestly believe less young kids pick up a guitar these days. Now I reckon Liam and Noel would have been drug dealers or something. How they ever got started is astonishing. Circumstances were incredibly fortuitous

 

[mumbo]

Robbie matched them 7 years later over three nights.

But yeah I get what you're saying, wasn't a massive fan myself but would have gone to see the Manics.

 

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I'm not sure that Robbie is in the same league. He's incredibly successful and I heard he does write songs, but I'm not sure he's as influential.

Oasis got a whole generation into playing the guitar.

Watch the film. You forget just how massive oasis were

 

[mumbo]

Agreed 100% he is nowhere near in the same league, yes he has sold millions of records but he doesn't have the same sort of talent as Noel and I say Noel because he was the driving force behind their success.

I'm sure the film interesting and gives a great insight into humble beginnings, despite not being a huge fan I do have a huge amount of respect for what they achieved. There come back gig is going to be BIG!

In the 90's it was all about grunge for me with bands that came from similar backgrounds as Oasis, a rags to riches story indeed.

 

[Michael Sith]

Oasis gave us the start of Britpop and that was one of the reasons for popularity, as it was a new culture ( after house/dance music in the early nineties) Oasis went for the attitude of Ian Brown ( Liam) and the music/ Riffs inspired by Squire and Marr. So they to an extent " Manufactured" their success, but they were good.
But they were massively influenced by the Smiths & The Roses The Smiths remain one of the most quoted influencers on musics subsequent generations.

So it's a case of Britpop V Indie Culture for me, Smiths and Roses for me personally would always come out way in front.

This Charming Man, this is the one, fools gold, waterfall.... On and on

 

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I feel they took what the Smiths and Roses were doing but combined it with Noel's clear Beatles influence, giving indie music a much more pop chart friendly sound yet managing to rock out and rebel without becoming too punk. Of course this was inspite of telling the media to f*ck off all the time. A delicate balance.

What really baffles me is when Noel tells how he wrote their first hit in the time it took his band mates to eat a bag of chips! Reminds me of Paul McCartney saying how he dreamed the melody for Yesterday. Just imagine being able to do that...

Like them or not, it's impossible to ignore the brilliance of Noel's song writing and how well Liam's vocals slotted right in.

 

[Dannywhiteley]

Brilliant film, reminds me of the glory days of Oasis, back in 93-96. After that it went a bit pear shaped as far as I'm concerned. Especially Liam disappeared right up his own arse and hasn't been seen since.

I saw them 12 times in those years and went to Loch Lomond instead of Knebworth, the weekend or two before. Back then they were amazing, absolutely smashed everything put before them. Brilliant sings, attitude, look, basically defined an era.

Robbie on the other hand is a fat chancer who had a great writer and a boat load of luck. Notice what happened to him when he fell out with Guy Chambers? Exactly, Bodies....

 

[Cazza]

Never liked them. Always thought they were just trying to be an indie version of The Beatles. Lyrics were pretty awful. Arrogant twats to boot. Thought Blur were far, far more original (although I hated House in the Country!), and the Roses were in a completely different league. Radiohead also. Just my 2p lol! Was into Aphex Twin, Future Sound of London, Autechre, The Black Dog etc at that time...

 

[SAVORY100]

Very divisive band and if we're picking sides, I'm with you Cazza. :lol:

To me they were always a bunch of relatively talentless thugs that got very lucky by pulling the wool over the eyes of the masses regurgitating a poor version of the work of true greats like The Smiths (guitar and tone) and Stone Roses (look, feel and attitude) and of course The Beatles... failed at all three though.

They rode a media wave (gotta love The Sun) that hailed them as hero for the working lads and set up the great battle of the 90's between the football fans and the art college cliques. Either they (or their management I guess) did a very good job of working with the tabloids to both help create and of course perpetuate their hype. I was at Uni and despised them and I remember the divide then too.

I can see what made them so liked and loved, they were an inoffensive easy listening version of the first two and a pastiche of the latter. Nothing challenging either musically, lyrically or contextually. Easy for a generation that wanted to feel like they liked 'real music' in an era that was rejecting electronic and generic pop, whilst looking back at their parents rock and roll /60's / 70's groundbreaking acts and feeling they were owed the same thing. Couple this with the same folk generally being very uncomfortable with the more cerebral Indie acts that surrounded them as the alternate and the lowest common denominator won.

Although I preferred Blur in the head to head battle at the time it was only really due to the work that they had done before the big chart clash releases. I did like the Parklife album of course... pure pop. I really can't think of any Oasis song (other than Wonderwall) that I could sing even a line or two of.

... and no, I'm not a Robbie fan either! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Darth Bobby]

Very divisive band and if we're picking sides, I'm with you Cazza. :lol:

To me they were always a bunch of relatively talentless thugs that got very lucky by pulling the wool over the eyes of the masses regurgitating a poor version of the work of true greats like The Smiths (guitar and tone) and Stone Roses (look, feel and attitude) and of course The Beatles... failed at all three though.

They rode a media wave (gotta love The Sun) that hailed them as hero for the working lads and set up the great battle of the 90's between the football fans and the art college cliques. Either they (or their management I guess) did a very good job of working with the tabloids to both help create and of course perpetuate their hype. I was at Uni and despised them and I remember the divide then too.

I can see what made them so liked and loved, they were an inoffensive easy listening version of the first two and a pastiche of the latter. Nothing challenging either musically, lyrically or contextually. Easy for a generation that wanted to feel like they liked 'real music' in an era that was rejecting electronic and generic pop, whilst looking back at their parents rock and roll /60's / 70's groundbreaking acts and feeling they were owed the same thing. Couple this with the same folk generally being very uncomfortable with the more cerebral Indie acts that surrounded them as the alternate and the lowest common denominator won.

Although I preferred Blur in the head to head battle at the time it was only really due to the work that they had done before the big chart clash releases. I did like the Parklife album of course... pure pop. I really can't think of any Oasis song (other than Wonderwall) that I could sing even a line or two of.

... and no, I'm not a Robbie fan either! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh I was going to say that... saved me typing I suppose.

 

[Darth Bobby]

I went home to Newcastle a few months ago. There is a big musical instrument shop there called Windows. In the basement they had their guitar section. Whenever I'm home I'd like to go downstairs and marvel at all of the lovely guitars. Last time I was in there the guitars had gone! I thought 'well maybe no ones buying guitars anymore'. It wasn't the case... the guitar department has now taken over the entire top floor. I was speaking to the bloke in there and he said the demand for guitars had gone up 5 fold. He said all the students were buying them. Seems guitar music is as popular as ever. I work with a few young people and they all love the grunge and indie stuff from the nineties. Whether or not there will be another phenomena like Oasis is hard to say. I think being a kid 20 years ago was different as it was pretty boring. The music scene was my whole social scene. Now kids are on phones all the time, that's their way of socialising. Who knows what's round the corner though? I suppose today's equivalent is Ed Sheeren, in the first week, he just sold more copies of his new album than the entire rest of the charts put together.

Will watch the film, liked the first album but went off them when all the tabloid thing went off. I always find them funny as individuals.

As a side note... after I visited the guitar shop, I went to the Forbidden Planet in Newcastle. The bloke in there said they were Moving into much larger premises as business was booming for them too. The students are all buying loads of Sci Fi and fantasy stuff too.

I don't know where they're getting the money from? Wish I was a student Tho :lol:

 

[peekaygee73]

I'm not a fan of Oasis and have to agree with some of the comments being made about them. 'Definitely Maybe' is a great album and there are some great songs on 'What's the Story...', but I find them massively overrated. When they're compared to the Beatles they're nowhere near and never showed any signs of progression or development. They're more like Status Quo to me, strumming the same 3 chords. And I'm not just saying that as a Blur fan! (The whole Blur vs Oasis was pathetic ).

As for them starting Britpop... well, it's just gone 25 years since Blur released 'Popscene' which is generally acknowledged as the first Britpop record.

And don't get me started on Robbie Williams!!

 

[mumbo]

All this hate for Robbie when he actually a sith, what's up with you guys :roll:

 

[peekaygee73]

All this hate for Robbie when he actually a sith, what's up with you guys :roll:

Right letters mate, wrong order :wink: :lol:

 

[spoons]

I don't think Oasis can really be compared to the greats, they were essentially a covers band and very much of their time.

And that's speaking as a fan, I really got caught up in the 'new Stone Roses' hype, bought Supersonic on the day of release and went to see them support the Boo Radleys at a free gig in Preston. You don't go to Preston unless you are dedicated!

They had a fantastic debut album and some killer songs on the next album but I don't see future generations being particilarly influenced by them.

As others have said they really are in the shadow of the Beatles, and the Smiths and the Roses - Manchester's true legends

 

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I think that's the point of oasis. These were not brilliant musicians or gifted wordsmiths, or even particularly good singers. But somehow, in terms of chart success, they rose above proper musicians like the roses. Explain that one :?

 

[SAVORY100]

I think that's the point of oasis. These were not brilliant musicians or gifted wordsmiths, or even particularly good singers. But somehow, in terms of chart success, they rose above proper musicians like the roses. Explain that one :?

The Sun...and the other red tops, its as simple as that

 

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But surely other bands wanted all that fame and adulation. What was it about oasis that had tabloids zooming in on them? The roses had the Jackson Pollock stunt, the Mondays toyed with the press in a similar way to Liam and co.

The oasis buffoonery for me was almost carbon copy of the Beatles early wit, but ramped up a bit for the obnoxious 90s.

I'll agree with the press hype. The Spice Girls were launched in the press without even having had a song out, same as Boy Zone. But Oasis, as far as I can see, had no PR machine behind them.

However, Definitely Maybe is a quality album. Yes the lyrics are a bit 'moon with June' as Yoko Ono once said of Paul McCartney's style. But these lads were basically drop outs. So not bad really I reckon. Bloody better than I could do :wink:

 

[spoons]

There is no debating your fandom! :lol:

 

[edd_jedi]

I don't think it's fair to lump Oasis in with the rest of the commercial manufactured crap of the 90s and 2000s. Sure they were heavily influenced by The Beatles, all bands take influences from elsewhere (people keep mentioning The Stone Roses and they were by no means the first "Madchester" band.) Music is subjective so if you don't like Oasis's music that's fine, but they deserve credit as songwriters and musicians which is more than I can say for most drivel in the charts these days.

I preferred Blur to Oasis in the 90s but now I find a lot of their songs childish and Damon's singing a bit annoying. I definitely think Oasis will be remembered more favourably in the future.