New seller with large collection needing assistance

[itfciain]

As someone who has been speaking with Shane regularly since he came on the forum, I am sad to see that it has turned out this way.

Mr Bespin Fatigues has arrived on here and started getting into an arguement with one of the best and most helpful people on this site. In terms of choosing his battles he has picked on the wrong guy.

I honestly think that Shane has made a mistake accepting this guys offer as I think that paying 20% of the sale price (ebay + BF's commission) is not worth it.

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

"Especially given that i'd come on here completely voluntarily and offered up by way of explanation the plans to sell the Jawa in a way that was completely transparent"

Bespin Fatigues- Look can you voluntarily leave the forum and stop insulting a well respected member of this forum.
Joe has spent countless weeks and months to set up one of the best refenerence websites for Tri Logo Star Wars figures out there.

 

[PGowdy]

One point i would like to make is i wanted the Jawa when i first saw it but i saw that Joe (a respected member of the community and a friend) had already made an offer. Because of this i would not have dreamed of making the seller an offer and trying to swipe the deal from a fellow member. I'm not that kind of person and this is not that kind of forum and thing that anyone who did knowingly do that needs to look at themselves. It's all a little RS that kind of practice... i like to think we look out for each other a little more here... maybe not? Maybe i'm being naive...

 

[BespinFatigues]

This is clearly something of a losing 'battle' if you can call it that...

I merely joined this forum to clarify some points AFTER Joe took it upon himself to take responsibility for all my comments seemingly being about him.

@Dark Sith lord i don't think i've insulted anyone least of all Joe, i think you'll find i've raised some issues which Joes taken responsiblity for defending. BTW no ones asking you to read the comments in this thread and i don't see why setting up a Tri Logo reference excuses some of the comments, respect works both ways, no? Perhaps you should remove YOURSELF from the thread?

 

[itfciain]

Bespin Fatigues - yes, you are losing the battle

Joe was simply pointing out that he had made a good offer (for just the card back) - you have basically come on here to tell us that we are " just pissed because you didn't get a piece you wanted?

 

[BespinFatigues]

Thats just the point though he hadn't made a good offer...

There's no lost battle other than one persons opinions aqainst a myriad of supporters for one member who can seem to do no wrong. I've questioned his involvement in this from the start, seems on the face of it one persons fierce determination to defend themselves against accusations which actually don't or didn't put him or anyone else in the firing line by name.

I did talk about blinkers though...

 

[Capetown]

Thats just the point though he hadn't made a good offer..

That's what you say, but you never answered this question nor similar ones:

How did you expect the seller to come back with a counter offer if he doesn't know the market?

You people sure you're not just pissed because you didn't get a piece you wanted?

So why didn't you just give a valuation on his item so that he had a better position negotiating a price on here? Like Joe said he would have saved on fees, eBay's (10%) and yours (10%).

 

[Caswellbot]

In Joe's words he said he would make him an offer of "at least" £30 based on what the last one sold for.

I cant speak for anyone else on here but your suggestions that people on this forum are blinkered is something I find quite offensive.

If Shane is your friend (which I get the impression he is seeing as you are willing to sell his items on his behalf) then maybe you could have offered to help him out with the valuations of his items??

 

[Joe]

Outside of the posts defending me which I am thankful for, let's take a look at what Chris and Pete posted - Chris said no-one is going to go in top end with an offer on anything in case the seller chooses that as his start point (which is the same if you are selling oranges or cars..someone offers, you counter offer etc etc) If I went in at 60 quid which was my budget, Shane countered with 80 I would have snookered myself..and gone OVER the last sale price! I mentioned "at least" to make him aware I was prepared to play the game if he wanted to!

Pete said- when we offer our time for someone who we believe is going to offer their items up for sale on the boards (which we see week in and week ****ing out) people turning up for a valuation, getting it, either being ungrateful or never returning we get pissed off and seeing the items turn up for sale elsewhere either means the valuation was a waste of time or the person wasn't thankful.

Now, Shane has cleared that part up- he was happy with the help he got but chose to go another route, fair enough! End of the story..but when I then hear you are taking commission on an item yet are upset at others low offers you can't have it both ways!

I enjoy a deal too you know? I do not have money trees in my back garden- we are all in the same boat and for the most part we look out for each other and are happy if one of us get a deal, you also like a deal which was proven by the fett. That is all I was trying to show you the ebay link, you can't paint someone one colour yet do a similar thing and be a saint.

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

Bespin Fatigues - Respect works both ways of course. You are certainly losing the battle. I am not going to get into a arguement with you but these is a free forum and i can view which ever thread I like.

 

[BespinFatigues]

Let's be absolutely clear here, the seller was asking for guidance - a valuation on the items not a price that someone wanted to pay for them - it's a valuations part of the forum not the classifieds. Joe, or any other member with a knowledge of Tri Logo Jawas and previous sales thereof would be able to offer the price bracket as a guide.

Thats what the thread asked for and correct me if you infact did but why didn't Joe offer him the knowledge of the previous £52 cardback? Because he wanted to buy it cheaper, nothing wrong with that? But thats not what the seller asked for, he wanted valuations and Joe was in a position to give him that but didn't?

I couldn't offer an exact figure on the cardback so advised Shane to Ebay it, simple as that.

I'd be very interested to know what said people think it would be worth MOC sealed in that condition frankly to offer £30 as it is.

 

[PGowdy]

I almost always offer less than other people say a thing is worth and certainly less than things sell for on idiotbay. I'm not trying rip people off but i like to get things cheap... it's a hobby of mine! :wink: and i also don't have a lot of money. I don't care what people think about that. I always give as honest a valuation as i can and if the seller says he doesn't know what an item is worth i suggest he gets valuations elsewhere and then consider my low-ball offer. I will not give a valuation in this instance because it is a conflict of interest. The seller is always welcome to say "no thanks".
A Yak Face sold for £120 on ebay a couple of weeks back... is this what we should always morally offer from now on?? Please say it isn't...

 

[Rich.b]

This will be my only post in this discussion.....
I have no interest in any of Shane's items but I knew as soon as I saw it that a couple of people on here would be. I can see nothing wrong with anyones actions here, I have never met Joe but have the utmost respect for him in what he has achieved within collecting and the way he conducts himself across all of the forums.
If you ask me Bespinfatigues (and I dont give 2 ****s if you dont) it is your attitude here that stinks and all of your replies stink of trying to justify charging 10% for selling a FREINDS figure for him.

 

[BespinFatigues]

In Joe's words he said he would make him an offer of "at least" £30 based on what the last one sold for.

I cant speak for anyone else on here but your suggestions that people on this forum are blinkered is something I find quite offensive.

If Shane is your friend (which I get the impression he is seeing as you are willing to sell his items on his behalf) then maybe you could have offered to help him out with the valuations of his items??

I find it pretty offensive that it's ok to call me out publicly over my trading practices but get totally chastised for going anywhere near questioning this person who seems to be something of a demigod on here. THATS offensive, if you were in a similar enviroment else you'd be sued for defamation, simple as that.

 

[itfciain]

Let's be absolutely clear here, the seller was asking for guidance - a valuation on the items not a price that someone wanted to pay for them - it's a valuations part of the forum not the classifieds. Joe, or any other member with a knowledge of Tri Logo Jawas and previous sales thereof would be able to offer the price bracket as a guide.

Thats what the thread asked for and correct me if you infact did but why didn't Joe offer him the knowledge of the previous £52 cardback? Because he wanted to buy it cheaper, nothing wrong with that? But thats not what the seller asked for, he wanted valuations and Joe was in a position to give him that but didn't?

I couldn't offer an exact figure on the cardback so advised Shane to Ebay it, simple as that.

I'd be very interested to know what said people think it would be worth MOC sealed in that condition frankly to offer £30 as it is.

To act all high and mighty is a bit much from someone who is going to make 10% out of this whatever happens

And to answer your question - I did actaully tell Shane that the figure would be worth a lot more if it were sealed - and I am sure he can confirm this

 

[Caswellbot]

I would still really like to know why bespin fatigues did not help his friend shane value his collection?

 

[BespinFatigues]

This will be my only post in this discussion.....
I have no interest in any of Shane's items but I knew as soon as I saw it that a couple of people on here would be. I can see nothing wrong with anyones actions here, I have never met Joe but have the utmost respect for him in what he has achieved within collecting and the way he conducts himself across all of the forums.
If you ask me Bespinfatigues (and I dont give 2 ****s if you dont) it is your attitude here that stinks and all of your replies stink of trying to justify charging 10% for selling a FREINDS figure for him.

Well that's a lot of stink but you're right - i don't give 2 ****s as you put it and maybe the capitals for FRIENDS would be better served if Shane was a friend. I think you'll find i said i was introduced to him THROUGH a friend so perhaps get your facts a little clearer, i think we're passed peoples opinions on me now so lets just try and aim for accuracy rather than BS.

 

[BespinFatigues]

I would still really like to know why bespin fatigues did not help his friend shane value his collection?

As per above.

 

[BespinFatigues]

Let's be absolutely clear here, the seller was asking for guidance - a valuation on the items not a price that someone wanted to pay for them - it's a valuations part of the forum not the classifieds. Joe, or any other member with a knowledge of Tri Logo Jawas and previous sales thereof would be able to offer the price bracket as a guide.

Thats what the thread asked for and correct me if you infact did but why didn't Joe offer him the knowledge of the previous £52 cardback? Because he wanted to buy it cheaper, nothing wrong with that? But thats not what the seller asked for, he wanted valuations and Joe was in a position to give him that but didn't?

I couldn't offer an exact figure on the cardback so advised Shane to Ebay it, simple as that.

I'd be very interested to know what said people think it would be worth MOC sealed in that condition frankly to offer £30 as it is.

To act all high and mighty is a bit much from someone who is going to make 10% out of this whatever happens

And to answer your question - I did actaully tell Shane that the figure would be worth a lot more if it were sealed - and I am sure he can confirm this

To act all high and mighty? Or have i just explained the facts?

 

[BespinFatigues]

Bespin Fatigues - Respect works both ways of course. You are certainly losing the battle. I am not going to get into a arguement with you but these is a free forum and i can view which ever thread I like.

If it's a free forum i guess i'm entitled to stay and at least give a response whether you want me to leave voluntarily or otherwise, surely if it's your perogative to view whichever thread you like on a free forum it's mine too?