Moon landing madness

[Simply Sci-fi]

In my youth, I saw a film called "They Live" by Jon Carpenter which addressed the most profound ideas of "the powers that be" controlling the masses (I'd recommend, especially if you like 80's cheese). The Matrix used science fiction to cover exactly the same issues. These films can be taken too seriously though.

Perhaps this issue could be left for a pub sometime, because this subject can roll on for far too long. Believers out there can buy me a drink some time and attempt to convince me!

 

[BadMotivator]

Is it just the original moon landing that you don't believe in? What about the other five?

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

We went to the Moon, we landed on the Moon, we walked on the Moon. Get over it[/quote]


This ^.

There is no conspiracy IMO.

 

[Michael Sith]

Human nature dictates that we will have different opinions, which leads to healthy debate.

Personally for me, the moon landings have been multiple, Six Apollo missions all landing on the moon, that's six hoaxes? Not possible in my opinion.

A great deal of evidence supporting the landings. We are all entitled to our opinion though.

UFO s
BIGFOOT
THE LOCH NESS MONSTER

all part of our life's rich tapestry, which allow us to " believe" if we wish....this is one of the things that makes us human and imagination, inquisitive nature and search for truths which then can give us great leaps in knowledge and technology

I will now quote Browning...

"Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp,
Or what's a heaven for? "


I will now get my coat

 

[JuniorChubb]

In my youth, I saw a film called "They Live" by Jon Carpenter which addressed the most profound ideas of "the powers that be" controlling the masses (I'd recommend, especially if you like 80's cheese). The Matrix used science fiction to cover exactly the same issues. These films can be taken too seriously though.

Perhaps this issue could be left for a pub sometime, because this subject can roll on for far too long. Believers out there can buy me a drink some time and attempt to convince me!

Craig, you edited your post mate, I was getting ready to compose a reply addressing your points and even had my 'serious face' on... :lol:

As for the falling out, I have seen it happen and become victim of it before. Mind you the forums were a bit more hostile than on here.

Edit: *snip* started to get a bit too serious with my reply Craig. See you down the pub then... :wink:

 

[Caswellbot]

The idea that any of us on here can "prove" that the original moon landing happened or did not happen is pure conjecture. So whilst I appreciate people feel that that they can strongly argue strongly either way it means nothing as none of it is verifiable by themselves because none of us have the means to test it ourselves. Some people may feel comfortable taking refuge in certain scientific viewpoints thrown out there by programs like mythbusters and alike but ultimately you are still putting your " faith" in the claim because you cannot test the theory yourself.

I would say that we would be foolish to think that our government wield real power in this world. Just look at how they deal with bankers and big business when they break the law. How many people went to prison after the international interest rates were found to be fixed? They were quicker to punish themselves after the mp expenses scandal than they are to take on the banks. Look at how soft we are with these big business, taxing 10% of the profits that they move offshore. It's scandalous in my opinion. I have real issues with representatives form major businesses meet with government officials and hold secret meetings where no minutes are published. This is not democracy in my opinion.

 

[x-pack]

Junior - i'll create my own conspiracy that you won't buy a PS4 simply because you know i'll kick your ass at GTA5 :lol:

 

[BadMotivator]

Grant Morrison offers a great explanation as to why people believe in conspiracy theories in his radio four interview with Frankie Boyle -
Check it out: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03nt8bk
(About 18 mins in)

 

[x-pack]

A while back I saw a film called Zeitgeist the Movie. It's by a guy called Peter Joseph, who I guess is a conspiracist. The film explores religion, money and the monetary system, US government, and the 9/11 report - corruption basically. It is interesting to watch but like anything i'm wondering where the 'facts' are coming from and how far they have been stretched to fit the agenda of those who wish to discredit government.

I don't see harm in taking a skeptical view on some things. It's most important to have all the facts though ...it's just no-one really does or there wouldn't be a conspiracy :wink:

 

[Frunkstar]

The thing with the moon landing that always make me wonder, is that we went there in the 60's, human nature is greed, why have they not been back since & started raping the moon for mineral deposits if nothing else & why not set up a military presence with some doomsday weapon for global control, its the logical progression if you look at our history (sadly).

If we had the know how to do it then, I would have just thought there would be a base there by now & regular outings, even if only to cite a scientific research station.

Now how about tethers?

 

[PGowdy]

The thing with the moon landing that always make me wonder, is that we went there in the 60's, human nature is greed, why have they not been back since & started raping the moon for mineral deposits if nothing else & why not set up a military presence with some doomsday weapon for global control, its the logical progression if you look at our history (sadly).

If we had the know how to do it then, I would have just thought there would be a base there by now & regular outings, even if only to cite a scientific research station.

Now how about tethers?

The whole setting up a base on the moon bit is a bit fantastical and not at all practical. We don't send men to the moon anymore because a) there's nothing there. And b) it very very expensive.
There's no reason whatsoever to send anyone to the moon now and that's the simple reason no one does it.
When they feel they can get a craft safely to Mars they'll probably give that a go altho, again, the costs are so ridiculous that there'll also have to come up with a better reason than - 'to look around'

 

[PGowdy]

The idea that any of us on here can "prove" that the original moon landing happened or did not happen is pure conjecture. So whilst I appreciate people feel that that they can strongly argue strongly either way it means nothing as none of it is verifiable by themselves because none of us have the means to test it ourselves. Some people may feel comfortable taking refuge in certain scientific viewpoints thrown out there by programs like mythbusters and alike but ultimately you are still putting your " faith" in the claim because you cannot test the theory yourself.

I would say that we would be foolish to think that our government wield real power in this world. Just look at how they deal with bankers and big business when they break the law. How many people went to prison after the international interest rates were found to be fixed? They were quicker to punish themselves after the mp expenses scandal than they are to take on the banks. Look at how soft we are with these big business, taxing 10% of the profits that they move offshore. It's scandalous in my opinion. I have real issues with representatives form major businesses meet with government officials and hold secret meetings where no minutes are published. This is not democracy in my opinion.

Just to be clear, i never said at any point that i put my faith in Mythbusters. Nor indeed that i get all my information from a tv show. That wold be foolish. That was either an intentional misquote on your part or quite a telling misreading of information. :wink:
I can't prove that the world is round (spherical) either nor can i personally prove that water is made up of 2 parts Hydrogen and 1 part Oxygen. I don't personally have the means or the knowhow. However, i have seen and read enough reliable and creditable evidence that those 2 things are true to be comfortable to back those just as strongly.
The scepticism about the US or indeed any other government or world power is well founded. Scepticism about the moon landing is not.

 

[Frunkstar]

We don't send men to the moon anymore because a) there's nothing there.

How could we possibly know the the entire moons construction has nothing of value IE nothing there Pete, not like they went all over it is it mate & they brought back a "few" samples, did they drill into the surface or check the entire globe?, not being argumentative, just thoughts about why we never tried again, 45 years with the ability & never once a manned mission back just seems & feels odd to me, not saying they did not go or for that matter that they did, just a why.

 

[BlueDog]

Also the Aussies would have had to be in on it as well, as they relaid radio messages to NASSA.

Yeah it's not like we are a country that descended from criminals or anything, completely trust worthy we are Guvna!

Not sure if any of you have seen this film but if you're interested in the moon landing effort from and Australian point of view this is a cracking little film. Not 100% true but a good film all the same.


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[PGowdy]

We don't send men to the moon anymore because a) there's nothing there.

How could we possibly know the the entire moons construction has nothing of value IE nothing there Pete, not like they went all over it is it mate & they brought back a "few" samples, did they drill into the surface or check the entire globe?, not being argumentative, just thoughts about why we never tried again, 45 years with the ability & never once a manned mission back just seems & feels odd to me, not saying they did not go or for that matter that they did, just a why.

There's not enough there to warrant another incredibly expensive, dangerous and largely fruitless manned mission. They do have those little rover things there exploring and digging about for stuff…. just in case. But those who know better than us think that's enough, for now anyway.
We initially went there to see what was there and just to do it. As is our nature. We're naturally explorers. But having done it and done it again (12 people in total have walked the surface, looked around, dug holes, collected rocks etc) it at some point became not good enough just to go there for going there's sake and not really unearthing (for want of a better word) anything interesting or relevant.

 

[Grant_C]

There are plenty of minerals on the moon.

Asteroids seem easier as they also contain more minerals than have been mined on the planet. Eg- rare metals.

The plan is to possibly bring the asteroids to wards earth using something like a trust or a solar sail to mine.

The moon landings 100% happened. Any slight investigation into it will prove it. The people who worked on these missions are geniuses who dedicate their life to it.

I think that the brain engineering by media contributes to conspiracy histeria. If there was a news channel dedicated to the accomplishments of science that happen ever day rather than the dulling down of population with conspiracy soap dramas and celeb gossip, we would be able to have a more confident insight.

 

[x-pack]

If there was a news channel dedicated to the accomplishments of science that happen ever day rather than the dulling down of population with conspiracy soap dramas and celeb gossip, we would be able to have a more confident insight.

There is isn't there? Science Channel or sommat :? This week you can watch UFO Conspiracies 'Caught On Camera'; How it's Made (my own favourite); Survivor Man's Survival Secrets; Biblical Conspiracies 'It's total Bollocks'. And so on... :lol:

 

[Simply Sci-fi]

In my youth, I saw a film called "They Live" by Jon Carpenter which addressed the most profound ideas of "the powers that be" controlling the masses (I'd recommend, especially if you like 80's cheese). The Matrix used science fiction to cover exactly the same issues. These films can be taken too seriously though.

Perhaps this issue could be left for a pub sometime, because this subject can roll on for far too long. Believers out there can buy me a drink some time and attempt to convince me!

Craig, you edited your post mate, I was getting ready to compose a reply addressing your points and even had my 'serious face' on... :lol:

As for the falling out, I have seen it happen and become victim of it before. Mind you the forums were a bit more hostile than on here.

Edit: *snip* started to get a bit too serious with my reply Craig. See you down the pub then... :wink:

Yeah, I edited my post - because people seemed to be getting their serious faces on! I'm still up for saving the subject for the pub.

I wonder though if age has anything to do with this discussion. I'm not claiming to be older and wiser – just older! My parent's generation will not question Apollo because they saw it live on television. People in their twenties and younger have grown up with vastly more information at their fingertips than my generation did. Much younger generations will not question Apollo either because their formative years are bombarded with the official history of space travel.

The late-thirties and forties generation I belong to only learned the odd fact or two about the space race while growing up. It was not covered at all on television and there was no internet to browse, so my generation can perhaps look at the Moon landings with different eyes. As someone else said, it's those nagging doubts.

As for television promoting conspiracy theories, I don't know. I think we can all tell the difference between "trash TV" and the main channels. The big four seem to support the orthodox scientific view.

 

[PGowdy]

Also, if man never landed on the moon how do you explain this??

 

[Frunkstar]

:lol: quality, though button moon has to the worst of the worst when it came to kids programs, it was dire.