Long Time suspected FAKE baggies scam / seller

[momike]

All these baggies are from Jeff's recent sales on eBay apart from the SW-D DSC baggie he sold to me directly, I'm going to try and break down traits that all these different baggies types have in common, i can't seem to find other examples like these anywhere online or in franks guide so would seem all roads lead back to jeff with these. like I said they all seem to share common trait's. Bare in mind the originals are different baggies from a different printing tool/factorys and a different era of production, some of the original Baggie type fonts differ slightly but look nothing like the ones jeff has been selling

Apart from the ESB-B (font is to warn) baggie I believe these baggies may well of originated from the same source

I'm going to show pics of some fake & questionable baggie fonts followed by pics of the originals for comparison

ESB-B

I don't think there is much left to say about these really, to say they are very poor is an understatement, I will say the one thing I have noted with this Baggie is all the examples (fake) look really rough and I believe they have been done this way to detract from how bad the logo is, imagine if the baggies were mint and the text unworn those logos would stick out like a sore thumb more than they already do, I think they look like monkeys have gone to town with a bottle of tipex myself

 

[momike]

SW-A

Like with the ESB-B these have the whole tipex/spray paint vibe going on, take note of the A in made you will notice the triangle in the centre of the A is very blotchy and undefined and pretty much none existent on these which is one of the common traits I mentioned in my previous post also note another trait how the letters MAD in MADE all touch, I wouldn't class this as bleed, the letters are far to close and out of proportion and are definitely not defined like the machine made originals (it's worth mentioning that on the originals the letters in MAD can touch slightly but nothing like these) lastly another trait, if you look closely you will notice that the O in HONG has a line linking it to the H & N, my first thoughts on this was some kind of stencil had been used but can't say for sure

 

[momike]

SW-B

This ones is totally different font and does not have the lines joining the letters, it does have the touching letters and the blotchy A though, this looks very wrong when compared to the originals

SW-B baggies have been traced back to Jeff that differ slightly from these but are very iffy like the ones pictured in this thread that ukg declined to grade

 

[momike]

SW-D

As you can see the A in MADE on these look half right and defined compared to the others but all the other traits are clear as day, the font on this has an almost ink like look to it that looks very off also worth mentioning that the Baggie has lots of dotted/pitted indentations in the material the same as can be found on a lot of the palitoy-k baggies coming from Jeff mentioned in the OP

SW-D baggies have been traced back to Jeff that differ from these but are very iffy none the less

 

[momike]

ROTJ-J (regarded as questionable in the original post)

I only know of him selling the one (imagine he has sold more behind closed doors) of these but thought It was worth mentioning as it has the same traits as the others, when compared to the originals you can see how off they are, also worth mentioning all the originals I can find online have wider baggies than the one sold by Jeff and look to be a different material imo

 

[momike]

Palitoy-K (regarded as questionable in the original post)

These have been a difficult one to pin down because even the originals can be a bit on the rough side, none of the originals have the lines linking the letters together like the chewie pictured of Jeff's and the A in made on the originals are more defined than the ones coming from Jeff.

As stated these are questionable and have been a difficult one to nail down, on the one hand some of the ones jeff has been selling look ok with the A being the only obvious trait but then there is some that have all the traits and are all round diabolical and just wrong, he has also sold many that are believed to be legit

Worth mentioning these are one of Jeff's best sellers and when ever I have asked for a figure he seemed to almost always have this particular Baggie type available in the figure I asked for

 

[momike]

Comparison shots of the fonts on Jeff's together, as you scroll down you can't miss the similaritys

Ive added the pic of the Tusken Raider again, Jeff did not give a Baggie type for this one in his listing but it shares a lot of the same traits. This is the one jeff sent half way round the world instead of sending to frank which he did with the other legit baggies that were to be forwarded on to Andrew

 

[momike]

Pics of the the whole of the baggies

 

[Palifan]

Great work momike, that's some of the clearest baggie comparisons I've seen and you can definitely see a pattern emerging with the way the letters join up on those supplied by Jeff.

Ian

 

[Dannywhiteley]

Can I just confirm that joined letters doesn't guarantee a JeffG baggie?

 

[edd_jedi]

i purchased it off ebay around 2014 but cant find it in the ebay purchases as i cant go back further than 2015 i am however looking through paypal records so cant confirm it came directly from Jeff but was purchased from ebay however the crease in the baggie is identical to the one in the guide in length angle etc also its such a dam unusual baggie unlike anything i have previously seen before the material is fairly crisp but very thin with no print it is clearly the same baggie Frank confirmed he had purchased and sent back to jeff for a refund previously

So you are saying this is the exact baggie Frank returned and then it later appeared for sale again?

 

[kevlad]

So you are saying this is the exact baggie Frank returned and then it later appeared for sale again?

Yes Edd Frank sent it back for refund as it was not right and i purchased it sometime after Jeff put it back on to the market even though Frank returned it as it was not right

 

[edd_jedi]

OK thanks so we now have two concrete examples of Jeff selling baggies he has already been told or in this case has been returned for being fake.

 

[edd_jedi]

Also is it just the light from the screen, or is this a blue Han Hoth/Luke Bespin blaster?

 

[edd_jedi]

There is also plenty of evidence to suggest that he was buying to sell - if you are doing this then you have to be 100% confident in what you are selling. If you sell 10 of one item and 3 people return them to you saying that you are fake then you can not assume that the other 7 think they aren't - you must stop selling them until you are 100% sure.

If Jeff is now getting 100s of return requests then this is of his own doing - poor business practices will often lead to poor business performance.

100% agree, regardless of the manufacturer I think it has been proved beyond doubt he is selling baggies he has been told were fake. And even if he wasn't doing that, having so many returned and not doing anything about it destroys his reputation as a seller alone, no excuses.

 

[tobedesu]

I must admit that I was one who listened to the podcast as soon as it well released - off work that day.
I commented many pages back about the accusations of Jeff "known to have faked certain baggie types" needed evidence as it is a serious accusation.
That seems to have been addressed.

I also admit that I was drawn to Jeff's calm and polite manner and thought he came across well. I don't know anyone here personally and thought the accusations of manufacturing baggies were unjust without the evidence.
The first post was no doubt done with the right intentions in mind, however hastily posted.

The evidence shortly after has come out and keeps coming and the startling thing how it mostly traces back to Jeff in one way or another.
There is still no concrete evidence whether he manufactures or not and unlikely won't be.
The repainted figures is of huge concern. Even more so is the possibility that figures from TT are being used.

I'm not a collector of baggies but it is something that I had contemplated. Without the knowledge of baggies, now I find it very unlikely that I will collect them. The damage has been done.

I stand corrected and would just like to say to Frank and the team - well done chaps.

 

[edd_jedi]

It's a good point and many people will be put off, but what has actually happened with Palitoy figures Toni was faking is genuine ones have shot up in value because they are so scarce. 90% of the ROTJ Boba Fetts in circulation are Toni's, the legit ones are as rare as 12 backs.

Baggies will be the same - sure many are now worthless, but they are fake so were already worthless. Genuine ones are identifiable, so they will in time become more desirable, especially the scarce ones like the light blue Fett.

 

[kevlad]

Also is it just the light from the screen, or is this a blue Han Hoth/Luke Bespin blaster?

I can confirm that it is the blue blaster

 

[edd_jedi]

i purchased it off ebay around 2014 but cant find it in the ebay purchases as i cant go back further than 2015 i am however looking through paypal records so cant confirm it came directly from Jeff but was purchased from ebay

Might be able to find it here, and then match it to Jeff from the auction title in his feedback:

http://www.worthpoint.com/inventory/search?query=han+solo+baggie

 

[Dannywhiteley]

May have some more evidence.

Can anyone clarify who ebay seller f1ycasual is?

Aka Greg/Gregory Smith

 

[Frunkstar]

May have some more evidence.

Can anyone clarify who ebay seller f1ycasual is?

Aka Greg/Gregory Smith

think he used to be a member on here with the same username'ish but I can't confirm if they are one & the same

 

[Dannywhiteley]

What do you make of this Frank?

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/112188030698

 

[Frunkstar]

What do you make of this Frank?

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/112188030698

it''s fine

 

[Dannywhiteley]

Is it, I though the text looks faded, blotchy and badly spaced. Good to know.

 

[Commander Clint]

What would the likely hood be, of finding fake Kenner baggies in other toy lines that they produced? Like the Super Power or M.A.S.K lines with similar baggies. I personally don't collect baggies. But my nephew collects the Kenner Super Power line and has a few. Does Jeff sell other stuff besides Star Wars at Farthest From? I checked his ebay feedback for a few pages, but didn't see anything listed.

 

[edd_jedi]

Yes Kenner did sell Super Powers baggies, what makes it worse is they were not sealed. See here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/322165038603

Thankfully they are a different size to Star Wars baggies, but you do occasionally see Star Wars figures resealed in them, eg here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201726997889

So no Kenner baggies are not 100% safe if you don't know what to look for.

 

[Palifan]

Can I just confirm that joined letters doesn't guarantee a JeffG baggie?

This is a good point that hasn't been answered yet, what do you guys think?

Ian

 

[edd_jedi]

I assume this wasn't answered because it's a theory at the moment, nobody can 100% guarantee anything.

 

[Palifan]

I assume this wasn't answered because it's a theory at the moment, nobody can 100% guarantee anything.

Does anyone have a legit one with the lettering joined up like this?

It would be great if all the suspected fake ones did have this joined up lettering as it would make them easy to spot. I'm sure there will be other fakes without this joined up lettering but maybe this could be a way of identifying a certain percentage of them.

Ian

 

[Frunkstar]

I assume this wasn't answered because it's a theory at the moment, nobody can 100% guarantee anything.

Does anyone have a legit one with the lettering joined up like this?

It would be great if all the suspected fake ones did have this joined up lettering as it would make them easy to spot. I'm sure there will be other fakes without this joined up lettering but maybe this could be a way of identifying a certain percentage of them.

Ian

It's a thing thats under close investigation at the moment so please regard this point as "pending"