Long Time suspected FAKE baggies scam / seller

[Cymonguk]

Yes, I think Jeff should come on to this thread. Anyone can join a forum.
Yes, we were hoping to have a Podcast Part 2 to match our Part 1. It appears that this is incredibly unlikely.

I have a question. Have any baggies come to light with a QC sticker?
Yes MOCs had a QC check. Show me a baggie with a QC sticker; I'm really keen to see one. Why are we so sure that these baggie types which differ so much aren't just different baggie types, different stamps etc. Did kenner etc really give a dam over the quality of these baggies? After all they were just sent in the post etc. maybe we give more of a monkeys about them than Kenner did. There aren't any baggie proofs or Cromalins as far as I'm aware.

I agree with a lot of your post Jez, I would say I genuinely think it is unfair comparing being on a podcast to being on a forum. Not everybody comes across well, and now that Jeff has gained a lot of support by being a nice guy, Frank would have everything to lose especially as you would be better prepared to question him ( I am not saying you would be biased btw).

Whilst I fundamentally agree with your issue around the baggies, it is a reason I wouldn't own them, we have to decide if we are going to go with the the information and work uncovered, or because we have very little evidence we put everything as unknown? In which case baggies as a collectable are no more valuable than a mint figure. I suspect that is a conversation for a different thread though.

 

[olisuds]

Just bumping up Marty's post as I think it was missed and thought it was interesting!

Hi, I bought these Palitoy Fett baggies from a guy in the UK in April. I sent them into AFA and they say not only did this figure not come in this type of baggie, they both have overlapping paint on the head and belt which differs in color texture and accuracy from the original paint underneath. I have posted some pictures under a blacklight. When AFA inform me about the baggies I gave them the go-ahead to inspect the figures. The main reason I bought these 2 figures was because I've been trying for years to find a near perfect example.

Don't know why pics aren't in the quote but they are on page 17.

 

[Richard_H]

Oli - I ignored that because it said 'guy in the UK'. Unless I'm missing something else there? Although I may read AFA report I trust them far less than I would Frank's comments when it comes to baggies.

 

[lee gray]

I've wanted to comment earlier but stuck at work and unable to.

Yes, this was released whilst one of Jeff's biggest friends in the community was knowingly out of the country and on holiday. Maybe this was a shrewd chess play move, maybe it was a coincidence?

That was the one thing over everything else I was wondering about myself and maybe thats why the initial post was rushed to get it out there quick while his friend was away even though I dont know who this guy is as only hear hes in las vegas unless i missed his name.

Everyone wants to be right and i know some might be annoying or wind ups, i re read some of mine and sounded like a prick but i really dont think name calling to others is a adult way of dealing with things.

 

[Marty _Norfleet]

Just to be clear these two pieces came from Jeff Glanville. He said (Its a real sham they have been removed from the baggies as I would of offered you a refund on return.)
If the baggies are fake and the figures have been tampered with, what does it matter that they are not in the baggies?

 

[olisuds]

Completely agree Marty. I think you are owed a refund on these.

 

[Richard_H]

Agreed. There is no case to answer there. Should have named in the first post.

 

[olisuds]

I think Marty's post was waiting to be approved hence he didn't follow up with more info at the time.

Then it all got lost amongst the arguing about terminology and "the way it was handled"

 

[trappedtexan]

May 2013 Teebo is purchased on ebay presumably by Jeff

August 2013 send frank a picture with the logray baggie, a pruneface baggie, and an empty baggie and offers them to him. Frank does not say outright they are fake but says that no star wars toys have been confirmed to be in these and they are from strawberry shortcake line as well as saying their authenticity is questionable.

September 2014 Sold the logray baggie with red text on ebay This baggie was not seen prior, but this sale is after Frank has said these baggies are questionable and can not be confirmed

Just a few things I have put together so far by doing my own digging. I am presuming the teebos are the saem as they look the same to me, but the purchase of the teebo is irrelevant anyway since the sale of the logray is after the email to frank is where the main point is.

 

[SublevelStudios]

Is it not within the realms of probability that these could have been issued from some factory or another in these red text baggies? For whatever reason?

With all due respect to Frank, not everyting is known or indeed catalogued - even in 2016 new discoveries are made.

So is there a chance they could be legit from BITD or are we saying categorically that these do not and should not exist?

 

[edd_jedi]

September 2014 Sold the logray baggie with red text on ebay This baggie was not seen prior, but this sale is after Frank has said these baggies are questionable and can not be confirmed

Great find - that is 100% the same one Jeff sold, the description matches perfectly:

VINTAGE STARWARS LOGRAY RED TEXT MIHK BAGGIE

So we now have a confirmed date of when that baggie was sold, a year after Frank told Jeff they were dodgy.

 

[edd_jedi]

With all due respect to Frank, not everyting is known or indeed catalogued - even in 2016 new discoveries are made. So is there a chance they could be legit from BITD or are we saying categorically that these do not and should not exist?

I agree but the point here is Jeff said he had not sold anything Frank told him was fake. He even said he did not sell these exact baggies in the podcast interview.

 

[SublevelStudios]

With all due respect to Frank, not everyting is known or indeed catalogued - even in 2016 new discoveries are made. So is there a chance they could be legit from BITD or are we saying categorically that these do not and should not exist?

I agree but the point here is Jeff said he had not sold anything Frank told him was fake. He even said he did not sell these exact baggies in the podcast interview.

But Frank didn't outright say they were fake in that email, he just said in his opinion they were iffy as they were only issued with SS products.

 

[jedisearcher]

With all due respect to Frank, not everyting is known or indeed catalogued - even in 2016 new discoveries are made. So is there a chance they could be legit from BITD or are we saying categorically that these do not and should not exist?

I agree but the point here is Jeff said he had not sold anything Frank told him was fake. He even said he did not sell these exact baggies in the podcast interview.

Also goes against the whole "I'm selling my collection" story if he's buying/reselling from eBay.

 

[edd_jedi]

Not sure if you've listened to the podcast but the guys asked Jeff straight if he sold any of the red text baggies on eBay. He said no. This proves that was untrue.

 

[Lindo]

Not sure if you've listened to the podcast but the guys asked Jeff straight if he sold any of the red text baggies on eBay. He said no. This proves that was untrue.

yup heard that too, I thought if it was a long time ago maybe he forgot but surely only 3 years ago you would remember what you have sold irrelevant of how many you sell

 

[SublevelStudios]

Not sure if you've listened to the podcast but the guys asked Jeff straight if he sold any of the red text baggies on eBay. He said no. This proves that was untrue.

You got me on that one.

 

[Bonsai_Tree_Ent]

This is from the interview at 58 mins in...

"I'm just going to ask you a question that's a bit specific about baggies with red text..." Rich

"I've never sold any one with red text. I sent pictures of the red text baggies, I still got em in my collection I never sold em" Jeff

 

[Cymonguk]

Is it not within the realms of probability that these could have been issued from some factory or another in these red text baggies? For whatever reason?

With all due respect to Frank, not everyting is known or indeed catalogued - even in 2016 new discoveries are made.

So is there a chance they could be legit from BITD or are we saying categorically that these do not and should not exist?

If we are going down that road no baggies are fakes

 

[Cymonguk]

Looking at that red text sale, I could forgive him forgetting, but selling it as a very rare item? No warnings of potential veracity despite knowing it may be a problem. Big no no. Still doesn't mean we hang Jeff out for the non proven things.