Horrific murder of soldier in London

[tiefighterboy]

Their view's should be irrelevant, and if we had a government that represented the majory, they would be after revenge.
If we were a bit more like those animals, in stead of acting like a bunch of fairys afraid to stand up against what is wrong, we wouldn't be the **** we are in now.

It's all about Politcial correctness these days...............

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

I can't believe some of what I am reading. I may be an uneducated thug, but there is no reason for keeping people like this alive. If they do it to become martyrs, let the ****ers become martyrs!!
It has nothing to do with race or politics. I'm a big believer in not doing anything unless you are prepared to deal with the consequencs. If you want to murder someone for no reason, be prepared to die.
If the poor victim was a member of my family, I would want the bastard dead.

Cant agree with you more Neil! :evil:

 

[PIGCITY]

I can't believe some of what I am reading. I may be an uneducated thug, but there is no reason for keeping people like this alive. If they do it to become martyrs, let the ****ers become martyrs!!
It has nothing to do with race or politics. I'm a big believer in not doing anything unless you are prepared to deal with the consequencs. If you want to murder someone for no reason, be prepared to die.
If the poor victim was a member of my family, I would want the bastard dead.

Cant agree with you more Neil! :evil:

Yes I for one go along with the above sentiments, they may not be morally correct or ethical to the majority in this liberal day & age.
I feel one of the reasons we are in such a mess at the moment in the leniency of our so called 'system'.

 

[Grant_C]

OK- it a tragedy. It ****ing sucks.
But let's move that to one side.
We are being sold murder.
Stabbings and murders happen every day. Check your local police constabulary website or Home Office.
Is there any difference here?
No.
The context has change. But it has no depth.
Two ****ed up nutters stab someone for a reason. But they are not Terrorists. Their just ****ing nutters.
Terrorists are usually affiliated with a large group and having networks and plan 'events' that take skills and training. These guys went to the kitchen and got some weapons.
IRA: Plan in advance, financial support, multiple networks, real political goals and develop skills to attack carefully selected targets= Terrorist.
9/11: Network with years of planning, financial support, multiple networks, real political goals, carefully selected targets = Terrorist.
Yesterday: Bunch of nutters stab a soldier outside a barracks and stick around for fame.
These guys are much more like the ****ing idiots who shoot up schools and cinemas.
But nothing sells like terrorism and to witness the saliva dripping from the news media that they can once again market terrorism is sickening.
If you want to get on the BBC, shop lift a Mars bar and scream Arabic religious rants. They'll love you.
These nutters wanted this publicity and public outrage. They got what they want. They are now TV martyrs. Corporate news wins having a product hotter than a new iPhone. And we lose. Everyone gets there backs up and moves the right.
Its tragic what happens- but trust me, these guys would'nt be able to write 200 words on why they hate British intervention in the middle east.

 

[Grant_C]

I can't believe some of what I am reading. I may be an uneducated thug, but there is no reason for keeping people like this alive. If they do it to become martyrs, let the ****ers become martyrs!!
It has nothing to do with race or politics. I'm a big believer in not doing anything unless you are prepared to deal with the consequencs. If you want to murder someone for no reason, be prepared to die.
If the poor victim was a member of my family, I would want the bastard dead.

I cant agree with you Neil.

Justifying murder is what they did.
I would never do that, that's what separates me from them and makes me cut from a finer cloth than they could ever be.

 

[Richard_H]

I didn't really want this to appear here as it is such a decisive subject. However, my thoughts are the following:

I can't see the terrorism link but the media made that a headline
The images on ITV were shocking. Did they need to be shown pre-watershed?
Death Penalty should only be used for paedophiles.
These guys are probably British Muslims and have caused major problems. Now most people are on the Evil Muslims bandwagon.

These guys should be kept alive. We need all info out of them as possible. Torture them for all I care. We need to know who else is involved.
They must NEVER be released. Solitary confinement with **** all given to them. No attempt at rehab. Made it hard for them. Very hard. An example must be set for other extreme idiots out there.

As for the family I woud support the state paying full benefits to them. These 2 probably were claiming all they could off us anyway.

 

[Frunkstar]

I think Grant pretty much nailed it in his post, I also do not think the DS is the way to go either, but they do deserve sever & lasting punishment, being put in to an A cat prison with the general populace would be a good start, but public humiliation would have to be my choice for further punishment, bring back things like the stocks & allow people to throw rotten eggs & vegetables at them in public on a weekly basis for the rest of there lives & see just how many others follow suit after that.

 

[weasel]

I can't believe some of what I am reading. I may be an uneducated thug, but there is no reason for keeping people like this alive. If they do it to become martyrs, let the ****ers become martyrs!!
It has nothing to do with race or politics. I'm a big believer in not doing anything unless you are prepared to deal with the consequencs. If you want to murder someone for no reason, be prepared to die.
If the poor victim was a member of my family, I would want the bastard dead.

Cant agree with you more Neil! :evil:

Yes I for one go along with the above sentiments, they may not be morally correct or ethical to the majority in this liberal day & age.
I feel one of the reasons we are in such a mess at the moment in the leniency of our so called 'system'.

Ok, i'll try and explain my logic a bit.

The reason i don't think the death penalty is right, in this case, is simply because the same guys who converted these two (and the 7/7 bombers and all the other young Brits who are off fighting 'jihad' in some foreign field, or who are currently thinking of doing something daft like this) be they hate preachers in mosques or random punters setting up websites thousands of miles away, they will use the fact that these two are killed as a tool to help convert/brainwash dozens more.
They twist the facts and use them to suit their own ends.
They wont mention that these two killed a soilder in cold blood, they will simply point out that the Gov is killing muslims in prison and that Islam is under threat. If you're a barely educated herdsman in Pakistan/Nigeria or any one of countless other countries, you won't think to question 'why' these guys were in prison or to check what you're being told is true, how can you, you don't have electricty let alone know what a computer is. You'll take it at face value, after all the guy telling you this is a preacher at your mosque, or someone who has a greater amount of kowledge of the Koran than you and as such is to be admired and respected.
It's sad, but that's how the world works.
If we start killing these guys off we will breed hundreds more like them.

As most of you know i live in not so sunny Northern Ireland, growing up here when the Troubles were still going on i saw first hand how easily hate spreads and how heavy handed responses only drive more people into the arms of those who you are trying to stop.

No, i don't think hate preachers should be allowed to spew their venom left right and centre.
No, i dont like how the human rights act only seems to be used to protect the rights of criminals and people who encourage others to murder, and not to protect the rights of the victims or the innocent law abiding minority.

BUT bringing in the death sentence for stuff like this will only make the problem worse.

Ps, anyone who's been on here long enough should know, i'm about as far from a ****ing Liberal as it's possible to be!

 

[jackabina]

We need to stop pigeon holeing these murderers. My view's aren't race or politically fuelled. Terrorists, or nutters, it doesn't matter. The fact is they killed an innocent man. Therefore, they need to pay the price.
Putting people like this in prison suggests we still care enough about them to keep them alive. We can't carry on spending taxes on keeping them in prison forever, when we should be spending the money on treatments in hospitals which are deemed too expensive to hand out to the 'average person'.

What's the point of taking the moral high ground when innocent people are being killed.

 

[Frunkstar]

We need to stop pigeon holeing these murderers. My view's aren't race or politically fuelled. Terrorists, or nutters, it doesn't matter. The fact is they killed an innocent man. Therefore, they need to pay the price.
Putting people like this in prison suggests we still care enough about them to keep them alive. We can't carry on spending taxes on keeping them in prison forever, when we should be spending the money on treatments in hospitals which are deemed too expensive to hand out to the 'average person'.

What's the point of taking the moral high ground when innocent people are being killed.

Have you got any idea what would happen to these guys in gail in the general populace (if that were allowed?) they would be getting punished EVERY day for the rest of there lives & would be a much more fitting & much harder punishment than death & would act as a major deterrent than the DS, sadly our softie government would never allow them to be put in with the general population much less let it be known who they are even if they were.

 

[plantman]

Thats the problem, jail for these guys means high cost to us the public, they live in luxury and can still preach their horrible thoughts to others in prison and people outside via contact.
lethal injection for me, over and done with.

 

[Dublinjeff]

Lee Rigby, 2nd Battalion, Royal Regiment Fusilier
R.I.P

An absolutly shocking act carried out by cowards. Claiming this in the name of Islam.....disgusting :evil: I for one totally agree that these two idiots are not terrorists. They are two uneducated, disaffected, weak minded fools who wanted thier 15 minutes of fame.

Its sad that the media appear to be giving them it... :roll:

Dont personally agree with the DS, glad these two are still alive and not given the martyr status they so desperately craved.

 

[jackabina]

I bow out of this debate.
This country is in BIG trouble and if the kind of softly, softly tact which is being banded about is aloud to be played out, we may aswell all give up now.
Sorry if I have offended anyone.

 

[weasel]

Lee Rigby, 2nd Battalion, Royal Regiment Fusilier
R.I.P

Seconded.

 

[Grant_C]

Sorry if I have offended anyone.

Not me buddy- I think everyone has a valid point of view.

 

[JuniorChubb]

Sorry if I have offended anyone.

Not me buddy- I think everyone has a valid point of view.

Snap

 

[Michael Sith]

Unusually for me, I have taken my time before posting.

Basically there is right and there is wrong, MOST decent people who live a normalish type of life understand this.

Brainwashing, wanting to conform etc, is a bollocks excuse for me

What happened is simply wrong in its basest form.

Nobody has the right to do this, twisted politics, moral codes, beliefs or downright insanity, whatever the reason ....does not excuse the act.

Everybody has the right to an opinion, but does not have the right to force that opinion on another.

I am appalled at what has happened, but we need as human beings, to make sure we make the right steps to protect as much as we can against these things happening.

Someone knew these scum, people must have known they were capable of this type of thing.

There is no answer to this problem, other than we become aware and try to be more caring and helpful in our society, then scum like this would be more and more marginalised, we need to get back to basics, and ensure we teach our children right from wrong and try to lead by example

To the family of the tragic victim, my heartfelt condolences,

I wish the world was a better place, but it's not, so each and everyone of us have a duty to try to make it better.....use this as a catalyst to try and better our lives and try and help where we can, however small a contribution, try and do something good on a daily basis

Anyway, I will leave it there....this is just my opinion, and again my heart goes out to the family and friends of this dedicated professional who has had his life halted in this heinous way. RIP Lee Rigby

 

[Richard_H]

Sorry if I have offended anyone.

Not me buddy- I think everyone has a valid point of view.

Snap

Guys I'm not sure he's only referring to this thread. He may be on about his **** jokes.

 

[jackabina]

Sorry Rich, I'll try harder

 

[JuniorChubb]

Guys I'm not sure he's only referring to this thread. He may be on about his **** jokes.

:lol: :lol: Borrowed your 1001 Jokes book me thinks :wink: