Full Set of Palitoy MOC 12 Backs

[Palitoyman]

Hi all,

I'm hoping to complete my set of Palitoy MOC 12 Backs soon, if the elusive chewbacca shows his face and wondered if there is a premium for having the full set to sell? I have noticed that collectors with full sets prefer to sell as one lot, obviously sending out individual figures is not ideal. Is there a rough price for a set or is it more beneficial selling individually?

I have got my collection all graded by AFA but this is mainly to protect the figures, I'm hoping to get my collection on the showcase soon.

Cheers

 

[mr_palitoy]

You'll be waiting a long time to get a Chewbacca to complete your set, it's the rarest of the lot and most are tied up in other peoples sets.

It's very difficult to sell a set all in one go due to the cost and due to the fact that collectors tend to buy individually rather than all in one go.

So I'd say there's no premium and will make selling them more difficult if you sell all in one go. Most buyers will expect a discount for buying a set, as there will be figures they already have and they are taking all your figures in one go.

I bought my palitoy 12 backs in a 1, 4 and 7 and got discounts on the 4 and 7 for buying them all in one go. I got 2 repeats out of the 7 I bought but the seller would not break the lot up and I thought it was my best way forward at the time.

Also, once you get a full set, why on earth would you want to sell them immediately?

Hope that helps!



Jason

 

[Palitoyman]

Cheers for that, I realise that I may have to get a few duplicates in order to get a chewbacca, I have no intention of selling them for a good while, but like you said its about waiting for a collector to sell their collection as they are that rare, you certainly don't see many about.

Thanks again

 

[sith-smith]

Work out what all 12 are worth individually, add it, then you have the total!

Most people who want them, will have most already which may well make it unlikely that they buy the lot. They'd have spent a lot getting the ones they have and won't have the money to be able to buy a full set.

And as Jason says, anyone who was in a position to buy the lot would probably expect a discount.

However, The problem with selling individually is that you'll get shot of the rarer ones quickly then be left with ones that everyone else has so getting rid of them will be a pain. I can understand the arrtraction of selling as a set.

But if you try to sell to people who already have many fot hem, you'll be passing that above problem on to them, which may put them off, especially if they are expensive.

The best way to sell a set is to find a collector who's got the money, the willingness to spend it and needs the entire set! I'm sure they are out there, but it might take you a while to find one!

As for the Chewbacca, I do have issues with the word 'rare' as many on here know. He is probably the rarest of the lot, but you will find one eventually as there are quite a few out there.

Of course, you may find yourself in the same position other would be in should you decide to sell the lot. There maybe one for sale, but they are only selling as part of a set!!

 

[palitoyjunky]

How many Chewies would you estimate exist Gary?

 

[sith-smith]

Not sure. But I think again, it's one of those figures that very hard to find for sale, but not very rare. Though as said in another thread, there's no absolute definition for 'rare.'

The only time I've ever heard an estimation of any figure (except the LHH) is Luke which is still the most expensive of the main 12 back run. I was told back in 2001 that there were only 15 known to exist. I was told that I'd never get one (I've had three without really aiming to) and that the first 12 are impossible.

I then watched over the next few years, when 7 collectors put complete sets together. One even managed to put 2 together! These were all people I knew. So I imagine there were others who I don't know.

15 lukes was probably the number known to exist at that time. As that was considered the rarest then, I'd imagine that there would have been at least the same number or higher of Chewbacca, otherwise he would have mentioned it as well for being the reason why as 12 set couldn't be done.

Recent years places Chewie as the rarest, but I reckon that more have been discovered since 2001, so at least 15-20. Plus all the ones that no one knows in people's non public collections, so that number could be much higher.

Referring back to the LHH, there were only 2 confirmed back in 2001. Now there are at least 5. That's a considerably increase in number. No reason to believe that isn't the same for Chewy. Less noticeable perhaps, because it was already in larger numbers.

So many people need chewy to complete the set, which would suggest it is certainly a lot tougher than most of the others. Demand certainly beats supply. And with the continued/increased popularity of Palitoy I think that will continue. This give the impression of being super rare, but I can easily name 10 people I know now who have one. There are many Palitioy figures I cannot say that about!

One will turn up. You just have to be ready/lucky when it does.

 

[wookieboogie78]

As chewy would say Rrrrrrrrrrrrrr :lol:

 

[Lee Gregory]

Do you have a large head Han Mr. Yitster73???

 

[Palitoyman]

No I've got the small head Han Solo, not sure which is more collectable, small head or large head?

 

[mr_palitoy]

Large head are much rarer than small head, though 5 are now known to exist as Gary says. Would still put the price of a large head MOC in the thousands over a small head MOC which would be in the middle/high hundreds.



Jason

 

[wookieboogie78]

A strange one this as if you look in the palitoy catalogue the first 12 figures show a small head??

so pali had to compete fast with the kenner cousins who by 1979 had the large head han carded.

keeping with the flow pali then realeased the large head han solo on the 12 bk card, so yes the numbers are very low.

 

[mr_palitoy]

Have updated the cardback guide with the new numbers and a picture:-

http://www.freewebs.com/mrpalitoy/sw12acardback.htm



Jason

 

[wookieboogie78]

Is that your 12 bk set and large head han??

 

[mr_palitoy]

That's my 12 back set with small head han.

The large head han is from this auction:-

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/3872896

It sold in 2007 for £2100.



Jason

 

[wookieboogie78]

Very nice

 

[sith-smith]

I'd imagine there are way more than 5 though. Generally speaking, as I have said elsewhere, carded figures usually become more common, not less... though obvious you have to take into account U-grades and deterioration

 

[palitoyjunky]

Well one can guess all day long as to how many LHHs mint on Palitoy 12 back cards there are out there but at the end of the day, at this point in time, us 'The Players' know of approx 5 in existance so until more surface that is how many exist period! Also as the years go by with no more being found and Palitoy fever being at an all time high it becomes more and more probable that approx 5 is all that are out there making it by far the rarest Palitoy 12 back-more than twice as rare as the Chewbacca and because no one can authenticate the Palitoy 12 back vinyl cape Jawa.....yet!!!

 

[Caswellbot]

Personally I would say that there are probably at least a few more squirelled away in so called "black hole collections"
There are some very serious collectors who do not limelight their collections at all. I would agree that there may well be only 5 or so known to exist right now but it is also reasonable to believe that there are a few more out there.

 

[sith-smith]

...at this point in time, us 'The Players' know of approx 5 in existance so until more surface that is how many exist period! Also as the years go by with no more being found and Palitoy fever being at an all time high it becomes more and more probable that approx 5 is all that are out there making it by far the rarest Palitoy 12 back-more than twice as rare as the Chewbacca and because no one can authenticate the Palitoy 12 back vinyl cape Jawa.....yet!!!

I think the best we can ever say is that only 5 are known. To say that only 5 exist period is just not possible. They said that when there was only 2, and again when there was three etc

I think there are enough hidden collections out there, and ones that are just sitting in someones loft that they don;t really know much about. I don't think the current rise in palitoy is enough to make it more probable that there are only 5. I can rmember several times when Palitoy was just as popular as now and none turned up. Times when it wasn't they did show.

It's very difficult to talk in absolutes when there is no known fixed number against which to measure.

But it's all part of the fun!

 

[palitoyjunky]

I personally don't remember Palitoy ever being as crazy as it is now and I have been in the game over 17 years!
Maybe I wasn't making myself clear enough, I def agree that there could be many more Gems as yet undiscovered including LHHS- it would be silly for anyone to think otherwise! Look at the 45a Power Droid turning up a few months ago, your 45a Fett that came out of hiding or talk of a 41 Greedo, 30 Luke farm boy and Jawa being out there etc, all of those are much rarer than a LHH at present as you well know.

My point was at this point in time 5 are known to exist so therefore at this point in time it has to be respected that only 5 exist period!
Tomorrow could be a diff story who knows.
But with today's prices(obviously from a commercial point of view) Palitoy has never been bigger!
Anyway as you say Gary plenty of fun