Am i alone-TPM?

mr h said:
weasel said:
In all seriousness, name ONE good thing about the film. Besides the traditional SW, elements (lightsabers, jedi, music etc). Give me one new element that was any good.
All I can think of is Darth Maul, and he was barely in it and was part of the most over choreographic fight scenes ever.

They got loads wrong obviously, but I personally liked Watto as a character and the podracers (the actual vehicles) were pretty cool

Pod race is good and when OB1 fights Darth Maul on his own right at the end I think is good. R2 meeting 3PO is good as well. When I first watched it thought it was great, just because it was new and was desperate for something that was Star Wars and new. :)

Don't worry anyway I'm sure Disney will remake them one day. :?
 
x-pack said:
naughtyjedi said:
The prequel trilogy made the ewoks ultra cool. Before it came out, I was always a little nervous about even stating that ROTJ was a serious star wars film. Most people of my vintage just said Empire and Star Wars were the films.

heres my rewriting of the PT.. always fancied doing a rewrite.. here's my amateur attempt. Only read it if you are really, really really bored. I mean, really bored.. I just got carried away really..

episode 1 - The Phantom Menace
Through the force, the jedi order are alerted to this destructive teenager on a far off planet (not Tatooine). Yoda and Obi wan go off to find him. We get to see how powerful yoda is as when he finds this guy, he's literally ripping buildings and scenery to shreds in anger. Yoda has to try and get through to him, as he's spinning out of control using raw force power. We find that his girlfriend and mother and all the women in his village have been kidnapped by slavers (or something). After winning his trust and stopping him with opposing powers (real epic scenes of danger), Yoda takes him off the planet back to the jedi temple. Anakin manages to tune into the force, take control of the ship and goes after the slavers. He disables yoda and he tracks the pirate/slave ship down. He causes so much mayhem that his mother is killed in a hostage situation. He then goes apeshit on everybody there, tearing into the whole ship killing pretty much anybody.. yoda recovers just in time to prevent him crushing the entire planet as he cant actually control his raw use of the force. Obi wan wins the day by finding his girlfriend (Padme) and it calms him down. love story - thats the pay off so that he doesn't wipe out small moons when he gets in a mardy fit. Obiwan admits that whilst it's (knobbing birds) against the jedi way, we have to rethink etc..

The jedi order are seen to be harbouring a terrorist of sorts and are warned this youth cannot be controlled and the jedi order are seen as a danger. The Senate leader who states this, is then revealed to be only a weak minded puppet, controlled by a shady figure (darth sidious) in a hologram. An already produced clone army will be used to stand up against the jedi and remove them to allow the senate to rule unopposed - in a democratic way. The film ends with shots of Anakin being trained alongside the amassing of vast clone forces.

No Binks, midichlorians, trade federations, Boss Nass or silly Queens. Lots of destruction.. Padme can be a hot peasant girl..

episode 2 - The clone wars
Anakin and Obi wan buddy movie.
Anakin is attacked during jedi training in the temple by two sith apprentices, in the battle, Anakin levels several blocks and destroys a part of the city. Killing the sith, but this is used to reveal the Jedi as dangerous and uncontrollable.
Darth Sidious using his puppet Senate leader has revealed an enormous clone army and it smashes the crap out of coruscant and attacks the jedi order. Sidious and his apprentice (i didnt mind darth maul, but the clone wars version was the better one.. he was a nasty bastard) takes the senate over, police state-stylee, and instructs to 'anyone who cares' for the safety of one and all that the jedi must be wiped out, everyone agrees (with guns to the head). The senate leader is murdered by Sidious.
Jedi v Clones, lots of war and loads of death, planets getting ****ed over as it appears an unlimited amount of clones are unleashed to hunt and kill the jedi.
The Jedi flee and send out a beacon to warn the jedi to regroup. Yoda and Anakin using Bail Organa's inside links go to coruscant to kill sidious and his apprentice as the only way to end the war. We have an epic face off across the city, and see the monster powers of Yoda and Sidious as they go face to face and the apprentice and anakin go at it. anakin kills the apprentice in a blink of an eye and goes to help Yoda, as they combine to defeat sidious, he manages to get into anakins head and puts visions of padme dying. Distracted, sidious frazzles both yoda and anakin with lightening and escapes.
With anakin mortified at what he's seen, they retreat as more clones in star destroyers and huge battle ships take over coruscant, burn down the temple and we see Jedi temples and dead Jedi across the galaxy. Yoda has a sad face.. :(

No cloud cows, lots of WARS, a bit of senate stuff, but more political betrayal.. real downer to the ending.. ala ESB.

episode 3. The last stand
starts on a barren planet with the last of the jedi having amassed. anakin is refusing to use his powers, padme is now preggers, and states he wants to live a peaceful life, away from war etc. Obi wan warns him that his link to the force is too strong and must stay. Anakin becomes angry resentful and is never happy with the arrangement. He never asked to be a Jedi and now everyone is in danger because of him. the vision from sidious still haunts him and he's not shared it with yoda.
force users are being hunted down by yoda and obi wan and trained. we are led to believe a new jedi order is in place, but yoda realises whilst sidious is around, the jedi will not be able to sleep easy and must prepare to be fighters and destroy sidious and his huge army. Anakin and obi wan do not think it can be done and suggest the jedi order disbands. sidious has won. but yoda is not having it, "fight we must.. the dark side cannot be allowed to win etc "

Anakin and Padme have been talking and Anakin convinces himself with the encouragement of his 'about to burst girlfriend' that the only way to stop this if he confronts Sidious and kills him. he escapes and heads to coruscant. Padme is certain of Anakin's powers and wants him to end this.

we have an epic space battle where Anakin mashes loads of clone fighters, flys into a star destroyer and takes it over. He flies hell bent towards coruscant. a glorious battle with star destroyers ensues and even though damaged, he crashes it into the city and as he gets angrier the more awesome the scenes. its a face off between Sidious and Anakin. Sidious questions why he is not with his wife as she is in danger being looked after by the jedi order which will soon be extinct. "You should have left with her when you had the chance, the jedi will be responsible for her death. only by using the dark side can you save her from her fate, i have shown you the future." Anakin again has the vision and this time its real. the New Jedi order are being attacked
"join me and her death will just be a vision... "

Anakin panics and the anger starts to build. "join me boy, end the jedi order and you'll no longer live in fear" with sidious goading anakin, he explodes in force lightning screaming angrily

cut to Padme screaming on an operating table giving birth with some crappy droids helping. then the jedi order are attacked at night by a clone army, the building is damaged and Padme is injured and trapped. Padme has given birth to luke and leia, and she screams for the babies to be protected. obi wan confers with Yoda that the only hope for future jedi might be in those children and they must be protected. Yoda takes the babies and escapes as the Jedi cover him as they prepare to die. obi wan asks her where is Anakin, as she drifts off..
theres a rumbling and the clones stop shooting. Sidious and Anakin land and Anakin is crackling with force lightning

he screams as he marches towards the hold out, Obi Wan is there. they argue and Anakin rages that if the Jedi had allowed him to leave she would be fine.. he aims force lighting at obi wan and he defends himself and they fight for a while, Sidious retreats as it all kicks off again. the building protecting padme is destroyed and anakin stops and falls to his knees.. he can feel that Padme has died - he explodes in anger - tearing the planet apart as the planet starts to implode obi wan pleads to him to stop and see sense.. fire is everywhere, obi wan is terrified.. him and anakin then battle it out trying to get to a ship, clone troopers are falling into the firey planet core. Anakin stands watching obiwan escape into the sky in a ship as flames engulf him as she shouts how much he hates him and blames him..

sidious returns for anakin and we cut to the darth vader assemblage, but theres no screaming, just sidious coaching him in his new persona. "we will hunt the Jedi pestilience and eradicate if from the galaxy", "yes my master" Darth agrees, with a very sad but determined tone.

No saying NOOO, no Binks, no trade federation, no arise lord vader, no killing kids.



This :)

Bloody great work here. Plus it made me laugh :D

My only concern is that you made Anakin too powerful and the reason is this - by the time we see Vader in ANH he's 'not all that'. Sure he can throw boxes at Luke and force choke his members of staff, but the saber skills, electrocuting folk and his ability to ruin a perfectly nice landscape using only his anger are very much watered down. He needs a Death Star to smash up Alderaan and get Leia back for being a sneaky ****ing lying cow! In this re-write (and don't get me wrong - I like it a lot) I envisage Anakin raging and drawing his fist nearer as a building collapses onto stupid droids and clones. Lightning enveloping his body and shooting out at whomever gets in his way. Fitting destruction by way of mind bending power Matrix style. And so on...

I like it, but it falls down when we see the comparatively wimpy Vader from the OT. It's the same with how they made Yoda and Obi-1 kick ass in TPM but then you switch to ANH or ESB 20 odd years on and somehow Yoda is half dead (and a muppet) and Obi-1 is Alec Guiness. I hate to say it but maybe the force should have been given more emphasis in the OT. Linking the old and new together is just a nightmare :?
 
theforceuk said:
Sound worse than the ones they made. :lol:


How about Jar Jar gets kidnapped by the slavers and no-one can be bothered because he's such a massive pain in the arse, so they just sell him to the Ewoks and they eat him for tea :lol:
 
I think the worst thing for me about TPM was that it exposed me to the fact that Star Wars could be 'just' a movie. The OT meant so much more to me than that. It defined my very being. Luke [Farmboy] staring into the binary sunset and longing for adventure spoke to me as a kid. It was an expertly crafted fairy tale with well developed characters that genuinely transported me to a galaxy far, far away. It defined my childhood, and your childhood defines the adult you become.

TPM was just a film, and a pretty bad one at that. I keep trying to like it. If I watch though squinted eyes, ignore Jar Jar and baby Anakin, it's got some good elements. Darth Maul was awesome and should not have been killed off. He wasn't in it a lot and that's a good thing, it adds to the suspence and mystery. (How much screen time did Boba Fett get?) It leaves something to the imagination which is far more powerful than any special effects. Darth Maul was a bad guy you could love to hate which helps you identify with the good guys.

The best thing about TPM was that it let me down gently by just being a bad film. What followed next was a total travesty and a complete desecration of all I hold dear. Rose tinted glasses couldn't save these monstrosities. The downfall of a good person turning to the dark side is a story that can be done brilliantly. Breaking Bad springs to mind, but there are plenty other examples. The PT is not one of them.

My hope for the ST is that it is more than just a film. This is probably impossible for me, because I'm sadly no longer a child. But come on JJ, at least give us a good film that might actually speak to a new generation!
 
If you could change one thing about TPM what would it be?

I know there is a lot wrong with it but what is that one thing that winds you up more than anything else?

For me it's Jar Jar. :twisted:

His only purpose as I can see it is that he's the comic relief of the movie...and it's incredibly juvenile comedy at that (that said there are a few scenes in ROTJ which I find equally as juvenile). I also feel that he's really just an attempt to show off with CGI. A case of look what we can do, even though it's pointless!

I do find when watching it I can cope with most of the movie until he appears/says something then I find myself swearing at the TV!

I can cope with the dodgy lines/acting plot, over use of CGI etc. Just not him!
 
Well, yes. But what is that one thing more than any other that really pisses people off about it?
 
sith-smith said:
If you could change one thing about TPM what would it be?

I know there is a lot wrong with it but what is that one thing that winds you up more than anything else?

For me it's Jar Jar. :twisted:

His only purpose as I can see it is that he's the comic relief of the movie...and it's incredibly juvenile comedy at that (that said there are a few scenes in ROTJ which I find equally as juvenile). I also feel that he's really just an attempt to show off with CGI. A case of look what we can do, even though it's pointless!

I do find when watching it I can cope with most of the movie until he appears/says something then I find myself swearing at the TV!

I can cope with the dodgy lines/acting plot, over use of CGI etc. Just not him!


There are many, many things :roll: Most people would say Jar Jar but I honestly don't think he is the worst thing in there. Jar Jar has very little effect over the movie. If he wasn't there and they replaced him with a less silly character it would make very little difference. In fact you know who he reminds me of - Kermit the Frog! :eek:

No, it would have to be the whole relationship between Anakin and Padme. The subtext of that weird and, given the age gap, slightly pervy relationship between the two ties into everything and pollutes the whole movie. The script was terrible there is no doubt, but some of the most cringe making scenes contain those two talking absolute sick making crap :roll:
 
True, but that to me is more of an issues with Attack of the clones that TPM, and in that film it is probably one of the worst plot developments. Not helped by Anakin's creepy acting! Definitely worth watching Red Letter media's review of AOTC!!

Mind you, ESB had borderline incest!
 
Seriously the biggest thing that annoys me about TPM is the fact that threads like this are still rumbling on about it 16 years later. Their's some great moments in it and I still watch it now, but hey everyone is good at making Star Wars films so who am I to say. :roll: :D I'd still rather watch it over any Doctor Who or Star Trek that has ever been or will be made. :arrow:
 
Yeh but come one man - it's a Star Wars collecting forum and some of us like to chat ****, especially about the prequels. Live and let live I say ...except the prequels. Live and let die! :p Does the fact that we've been blah-ing on about them for 16 years not say something :wink:
 
x-pack said:
Yeh but come one man - it's a Star Wars collecting forum and some of us like to chat ****, especially about the prequels. Live and let live I say ...except the prequels. Live and let die! :p Does the fact that we've been blah-ing on about them for 16 years not say something :wink:

Totally agree live and let live, if nothing annoyed me on this forum how boreing would it be? :lol: But at the same time I'm gonna say what I think as well, as diplomatically as I possibly can of course. :D

The fact that we've been going on about it for 16 years means, EVERYONE NEEDS TO GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON. :lol: :roll: :)

I think it also means were running out of things Star Wars to talk about. :eek:
 
I was 15 when TPM came out and like others have mentioned I really liked the build up and hype at the time. I remember seeing the adverts, posters and magazine articles about it and was excited as we slowly got to see all the characters revealed. Darth Maul looked amazing..we got lightsaber battles on the big screen again..it all seemed like a dream, but then I watched it and thought "this ani kids ****ing annoying, as is jar jar and so are those other stupid senate alien things that walk around in gowns and get blown up a lot"..and then I was awake again - GL had just killed the franchise with the first instalment of 3 extremely **** movies! :lol:

FWIW, Maul and the lightsaber battles were and still are pretty epic, even nowadays it's hard to take your eye off that first ever 3 way lightsaber fight with Maul, Obi and Qui Gonn but yeah..the rest of the movie is pretty pants and childish.

I like how the prequels tie up the story though, especially for non vintage/OT people it does clear up a lot of confusing character links/family ties and other things that we as collectors and fans probably take for granted (because we are so ****ing sad we understand everything that's going on!) but I can't say I really enjoy watching any of them and try my best to stay away if I can lol.
 
theforceuk said:
x-pack said:
Yeh but come one man - it's a Star Wars collecting forum and some of us like to chat ****, especially about the prequels. Live and let live I say ...except the prequels. Live and let die! :p Does the fact that we've been blah-ing on about them for 16 years not say something :wink:

Totally agree live and let live, if nothing annoyed me on this forum how boreing would it be? :lol: But at the same time I'm gonna say what I think as well, as diplomatically as I possibly can of course. :D

The fact that we've been going on about it for 16 years means, EVERYONE NEEDS TO GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON. :lol: :roll: :)

I think it also means were running out of things Star Wars to talk about. :eek:

I guess it really depends what the conversation is. This thread started more from the viewpoint of someone actually quite liking them, which is something very different to the years of I hate TPM, Lucas ruined Star Wars etc.

I think at the moment the context is important as we are potentially in the same position we were in back when TPM was released, as we eagerly await TFA!!

And I do honestly believe there is some credit that can be given to the prequels, though I don't know that it outweighs the negative!
 
Has anyone seen this I posted it on the Rogue 1 thread. Another triology just about OB1 and Darth Maul comes back, it's all rumours. :roll:

I think if Disney start bringing caractors back like that then it's a slippery slope, but I'll still love them. :roll:

http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/05/star-wars-could-ewan-mcgregor-make-a-return-5231340/

The thing I have a problem with is Star Wars blew our minds when we were kids and it's just not going to happen again, never in a million years, however many goes Disney have. But to me a new Star Wars is exciting, simple as that and I count myself lucky to just have been born in time to enjoy the toys. :lol:
 
I don't know...

On the one hand I'd love to see more Star Wars, I love that universe and everything in it!

On the other I really just wanted it to be a story Lucas has in his mind, that had a fixed number of chapters and that eventually we would get to see it all.

Admittedly long ago I gave up that dream as I came to realise that Lucas probably made things up as he went a long, that there never was a set number of chapters in this story.

So I guess I'd say bring it on. I like seeing back stories to things that were in the OT (which is one of the reasons I'm not entirely against the PT) so the more of it the better!
 
theforceuk said:
x-pack said:
Yeh but come one man - it's a Star Wars collecting forum and some of us like to chat ****, especially about the prequels. Live and let live I say ...except the prequels. Live and let die! :p Does the fact that we've been blah-ing on about them for 16 years not say something :wink:

Totally agree live and let live, if nothing annoyed me on this forum how boreing would it be? :lol: But at the same time I'm gonna say what I think as well, as diplomatically as I possibly can of course. :D

The fact that we've been going on about it for 16 years means, EVERYONE NEEDS TO GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON. :lol: :roll: :)

I think it also means were running out of things Star Wars to talk about. :eek:


Yeh that's cool. And yes we probably are running out of things to talk about in respect of the films. Wait till the new one comes out though! :eek: :lol:

Everything Darth Maul is cool. That's one thing they got right. He was ****ing bad-ass. Shame they wiped him out in such a crap way. Still, he comes back with robot legs in Clone Wars :? :)
 
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