2014 Fifa World Cup Thread
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Stuart Skinner
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Appalling from front to back if I hear Chiles come out with that **** that we played well and were level pegging but we're beaten by a world class player I'll hunt him down, break into his house and steal all his pillows.
Can't defend for pony, should have made more effort to get Terry to return and never should have left cole behind. Total total crap.
Can't defend for pony, should have made more effort to get Terry to return and never should have left cole behind. Total total crap.
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I cannot put into words the amont of Hatred I hold for Suarez. He is a poor excuse for a human being but unfortuantely is good footballer.
We were shite but a shout for the ref who I throught was shocking? Did he only show one booking to Uruguay?? :shock:
We were shite but a shout for the ref who I throught was shocking? Did he only show one booking to Uruguay?? :shock:
Boba Skinner said:
Agreed...
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Boba Skinner said:
^^This
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Not sure it was all that bad - couple of quality moments from Suarez but either team could have won that and would have been a lot different if their lad had been sent off
Having sat through the last few tournaments bored to death I am at least happy to see England play some football. For me this should be Gerards last game and if you look at the rest of the team they still have at least two decent tournaments still left in them
Having sat through the last few tournaments bored to death I am at least happy to see England play some football. For me this should be Gerards last game and if you look at the rest of the team they still have at least two decent tournaments still left in them
If Italy win their next 2 games, and we win 20-0 against Outer Mongolia, on the 12 th of never........
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I think Id prefer to be out now rather than clutching at the straw that will still could sneak through 
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I think he should freshen it up for the final game and let the youngsters have a run out. Shaw in at left back, Jones in at right back, Barkley, Lallana, Sterling, Wilshire. Just play them all and see how it goes, sadly as I'm a Liverpool fan, I think it is the end of Gerrard been totally exposed against both Italy and Uruguay. Problem is we haven't really got a holding midfielder in the 23 man squad and that has been a major problem in both games. Although I don't think Gerrard should be blamed for Uruguays second goal, the defending was woeful, no one went with Suarez, you don't give one of the best players in the world an inch let alone an eight yard start.
weasel said:
I think it's fair to say Suarez won (with a little help from Stevie G :lol
SAS my arse - Sturridge didn't do anything, Liverpool came second in the league because of Suarez, and Uruagay won that game because of Suarez.It's quite frankly embarrassing that England can't produce a striker of that quality, every other top tier team has one. Rooney is a different class to the likes of Suarez, Van Persie etc, and not in the good way.
But no doubt we'll continue paying foreign players silly money to play in our league while our own players scrap it out in pub teams. So things will never change.
Where to start?
I'd have put a lot of money on Gerrard retiring after this WC regardless of the outcome (look at my predictions post) i think last night confirmed it. He'll go after the Costa Rica game. Ditto fat Frank.
If England are out by the time they play Costa Rica, I'm all for giving the kids a game. I'd like to see Fat Frank get a run out as well. It'll be his last game and it's a dead rubber (for England) so why not give the guy a chance to say farewell properly?
If England lose to CR, Uncle Roy has to go. Maybe, if he plays all the kids then I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, but if he plays a strong side and still loses, bye bye Roy.
I don't rate him as a manager, I don't know many Pool fans who do, but the 5-10 mins at the start of the second half were the time when England should have been coming out, all guns blazing, playing at 100 miles an hour, blowing Uruguay away, and generally been ready to kill dead things. Instead you should have been three down. I don't know what Roy said to them, but it clearly had completely the wrong effect. But then does he look like the kind of manager who would be able to get you up for a big game!? Chruchill/Braveheart he is not!
I do agree John Terry and Ashley Cole would have made a big difference. Personally I would have taken and started Cole. He may not have played much this season (like Casillas and he was dead good!), but he didn't look rusty against Pool or Madrid in CL. Plus Baines has virtually no experience, If Roy wanted to start with Baines why did Cole start/play large parts of most of the friendlies up to the time the squad was announced? That's not to say Baines was the worst of the back four.
As for JT, the guys a ****. Let's not beat around the bush. He is a complete and utter bastard, and a racist as well. But he is exactly the sort of player England's back line needed last night. There was NO organisation from that back four. I remember, Butcher, Adams, Keown, Campbell etc all balling out midfielders who were ****ing about or other defenders who were sleeping, but last night there was none of that.
Mind you we all know why JT wasn't picked and I think it's a tad harsh to say we would have taken him now. Were he not such a ball bag and had he not had his issues with the FA, yeah, he would have gone. BUT we all knew he was unavailable for a year or more, so plans should have been made.
I think the non red card for Godin was probably about right. As I said last night, it was a foul and had he not been booked he would have seen yellow for that, but he had so he escaped. Annoying when it happens against you, but probably fair enough.
Where do England go from here?
Assuming Stevie G and FF retire there's a very inexperience squad left. The likes of Jay Rodriguez probably comes in, maybe Ricky Lambert gets phased out. It's in defence where England's problems lie and it's not an area with many young players coming through. Flannagan and Shaw are about the only two decent young defenders I can think of. Actually, I think Nathan Clyne is English, he's getting good reviews. Even at that, this time last year not a single Championship club wanted to loan Flannagan. Jones and Smalling have (respectively) stagnated and regressed massively since they went to Utd. I can't think of any young British defenders at Arsenal (Carl Jenkinson is far from international class). Chelsea or City don't buy young British players, unless it's to leave them to rot in the reserves, Micha Richards, Scott Sinclair, Jack Rodwell etc. Michael Dawson is 30 and hardly a massive improvement on what you have, and you had two of the Everton back four in there already.
Still as I said to Rich on his FB post. At least you guys get to watch your country in a WC or Euro Champs. I'm 35 and I've never seen my lot make one (I was too young in 86). A quick glance at our current squad lets me know I won't be going to see them in one any time soon. Unless Platini very kindly enlarges the Euro's to 64 nations. Even then I wouldn't be confident!
Ps, Edd, there were only a handful of foreigners in the PL in '94 and the England team then wasn't exactly good! Carlton Palmer pulling on an England shirt! :shock:
I'd have put a lot of money on Gerrard retiring after this WC regardless of the outcome (look at my predictions post) i think last night confirmed it. He'll go after the Costa Rica game. Ditto fat Frank.
If England are out by the time they play Costa Rica, I'm all for giving the kids a game. I'd like to see Fat Frank get a run out as well. It'll be his last game and it's a dead rubber (for England) so why not give the guy a chance to say farewell properly?
If England lose to CR, Uncle Roy has to go. Maybe, if he plays all the kids then I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, but if he plays a strong side and still loses, bye bye Roy.
I don't rate him as a manager, I don't know many Pool fans who do, but the 5-10 mins at the start of the second half were the time when England should have been coming out, all guns blazing, playing at 100 miles an hour, blowing Uruguay away, and generally been ready to kill dead things. Instead you should have been three down. I don't know what Roy said to them, but it clearly had completely the wrong effect. But then does he look like the kind of manager who would be able to get you up for a big game!? Chruchill/Braveheart he is not!
I do agree John Terry and Ashley Cole would have made a big difference. Personally I would have taken and started Cole. He may not have played much this season (like Casillas and he was dead good!), but he didn't look rusty against Pool or Madrid in CL. Plus Baines has virtually no experience, If Roy wanted to start with Baines why did Cole start/play large parts of most of the friendlies up to the time the squad was announced? That's not to say Baines was the worst of the back four.
As for JT, the guys a ****. Let's not beat around the bush. He is a complete and utter bastard, and a racist as well. But he is exactly the sort of player England's back line needed last night. There was NO organisation from that back four. I remember, Butcher, Adams, Keown, Campbell etc all balling out midfielders who were ****ing about or other defenders who were sleeping, but last night there was none of that.
Mind you we all know why JT wasn't picked and I think it's a tad harsh to say we would have taken him now. Were he not such a ball bag and had he not had his issues with the FA, yeah, he would have gone. BUT we all knew he was unavailable for a year or more, so plans should have been made.
I think the non red card for Godin was probably about right. As I said last night, it was a foul and had he not been booked he would have seen yellow for that, but he had so he escaped. Annoying when it happens against you, but probably fair enough.
Where do England go from here?
Assuming Stevie G and FF retire there's a very inexperience squad left. The likes of Jay Rodriguez probably comes in, maybe Ricky Lambert gets phased out. It's in defence where England's problems lie and it's not an area with many young players coming through. Flannagan and Shaw are about the only two decent young defenders I can think of. Actually, I think Nathan Clyne is English, he's getting good reviews. Even at that, this time last year not a single Championship club wanted to loan Flannagan. Jones and Smalling have (respectively) stagnated and regressed massively since they went to Utd. I can't think of any young British defenders at Arsenal (Carl Jenkinson is far from international class). Chelsea or City don't buy young British players, unless it's to leave them to rot in the reserves, Micha Richards, Scott Sinclair, Jack Rodwell etc. Michael Dawson is 30 and hardly a massive improvement on what you have, and you had two of the Everton back four in there already.
Still as I said to Rich on his FB post. At least you guys get to watch your country in a WC or Euro Champs. I'm 35 and I've never seen my lot make one (I was too young in 86). A quick glance at our current squad lets me know I won't be going to see them in one any time soon. Unless Platini very kindly enlarges the Euro's to 64 nations. Even then I wouldn't be confident!
Ps, Edd, there were only a handful of foreigners in the PL in '94 and the England team then wasn't exactly good! Carlton Palmer pulling on an England shirt! :shock:
edd_jedi said:
I agree with this completely, Murdoch money and the Premier league have killed the English national game.
The good news is we wont be seeing Stevie G or Rooney at another world cup and hopefully Uncle Roy will soon be forced to retire even if he doesnt want to go. I dont think he had a huge ammount of talen at his disposal and i thank the guy for trying but its time he left.
our defence is no where near good enough right across, if you give one of the best strikers in the world a run on you like that...well it could be embarrassing playing Brasil or Portugal.
i dont blame gerrard at all, 3 defenders should sweep anything up that comes their way, welbeck is just **** and although rooney works hard, he just doesnt cut it for me.
i dont blame gerrard at all, 3 defenders should sweep anything up that comes their way, welbeck is just **** and although rooney works hard, he just doesnt cut it for me.
sorry i should clarify that, I dont blame Gerrard he was just unlucky i like him i like his passion to play, but he is too old. As for Rooney he totally fails to perform at the world cup and he isnt the player he once was. im not saying he is bad but the best has already been. its time to look at the next generation.
jambobbyb said:
rooney shows how good he really is when on the stage with the best players in the world....he really isnt that good, he is quality, but we are not as good as we think we are.
we miss players like pearce, ince, shearer, beckham, who would give blood for the shirt, overpaid underachievers most of them.
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weasel said:
Agree with most of this, I don't see many youngsters coming through for England in defence or central midfield. You list Flanagan and Shaw and hopefully they'll become decent, and I think young Stones at Everton deserves a nod as I think he's going to be a decent player. But can't see where the other is coming from, none are playing in the prem and I don't see it getting any better.
Yes we have a lot of attacking youngsters, Barkley, Sterling, Chamberlain, Sturridge, Lallana (although he's 26). But where are the central midfielders or a holding midfielder, another position that isn't coming though.
I think it's going to get worse and would expect not a lot in the foreseeable future.
Surely the FA will have to do something about it for the sake of the English game? Maybe impose something similar to the old European rule where (I think) your squad could only have three foreign players.
I don't believe for one minute that a country with 70 million people can't produce players as good or better than a country of 3 million people. We just don't give them a chance.
I don't believe for one minute that a country with 70 million people can't produce players as good or better than a country of 3 million people. We just don't give them a chance.
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edd_jedi said:
Problem is the FA aren't the power behind the premier league, the people that run the premiership purely want the best league in the world as a money making machine. Hence why things like the FA Cup are now not desirable, money is basically what has ruined the game in this country, we either have the best domestic league in the world or a decent national side and sadly the league seems to take preference.
As for grass roots football well what can I say. I run a Sunday league side, I had two players, neither knew anything about the ins and outs of football, didn't understand the game at all, both now run junior sides, one runs an under 9 team the other an under 7 side. How can this be? Both can not offer anything to those youngsters and will undoubtedly be either hindering their progress or destroying them, surely there has to be some sort of coaching standard met to be able to run these sorts of sides. Seems to me anyone can do it. Also however much the FA say they're trying to help grass roots football is bull ****, no where near enough money is pumped into grass roots. It costs our club nearly £150 to put on a home match now in Kent, subs from players don't cover anywhere near that, the FA need to make the game more accessible and more affordable to play but doesn't seem to happen, costs just go up each and every year.
Boba Skinner said:
Spot on with regards to Stones. I realised I'd forgotten him and didn't get a chance to come back and add his name to the list till now. He looks to be a quality player. Big hopes for him (mainly that he sees senses and comes to Anfield lol)!
Agreed on the holding midfielders. That's not a position you can teach someone to play, you are either a holding midfielder or you're not. It's like goalscoring, you either have the instinct to get into the position or you don't. It's also a position where experience is key so any young holding midfielders will be too raw now to be thrown into international football, the only name that springs to mind is yer man Ward-Prowse at Southampton. Though he's not quite the Batty, Viera, Keane mould of pitbull. But then, does a player like those 3 have a place in the modern, softer, game?
Ohh and Edd. I agree with your suggestion but i think the problem is the EU freedom of movement directive. You would be discriminating against someone based on their nationality and that isn't allowed. You MAY be able to do it with regards to EU players but then that negs the point.
Also, a point to bear in mind, under the current system where clubs have to have so many home nation players in their CL squad, Cesc Fabregas qualifies as English! He was at Arsenal from a young enough age, and spent enough time in his teens in Blighty so as far as UEFA are concerned he's English/British. Daft.
