Will the UK leave the EU ?

[peekaygee73]

YES get in, made my vote to leave and woke up to the fantastic news this morning.

Close the borders kick out the sponging migrants and lets move Britain forward.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25134521

What's your point..?

Can EU migrants easily claim benefits when they arrive in another EU country?

No - there are conditions, depending on an individual's circumstances.

They can stay for three months, but to stay longer after that they have to be: in work; or actively seeking work with a genuine chance of being hired; or be able to show they have enough money not to be a burden on public services. Apart from that, evidence of benefit abuse or fraud is grounds to exclude or expel a person.

My point is there are already laws (EU laws, ironically) in place to combat 'sponging migrants'. The only way a migrant can claim benefits is if they're in work.

 

[Joe]

I ****ing give up on the people in this country I really do.

Wonder when it'll become mandatory to have a British bulldog tattoo?

 

[skywalker]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25134521

What's your point..?

Can EU migrants easily claim benefits when they arrive in another EU country?

No - there are conditions, depending on an individual's circumstances.

They can stay for three months, but to stay longer after that they have to be: in work; or actively seeking work with a genuine chance of being hired; or be able to show they have enough money not to be a burden on public services. Apart from that, evidence of benefit abuse or fraud is grounds to exclude or expel a person.

My point is there are already laws (EU laws, ironically) in place to combat 'sponging migrants'. The only way a migrant can claim benefits is if they're in work.

But they have full access to our NHS and schools regardless if they are working or not and we also pay child benefit to 50000 children who live in another EU country.

And as long as they say they say they are seeking work after 3 months they are free to claim benefits.

 

[skywalker]

I ****ing give up on the people in this country I really do.

Wonder when it'll become mandatory to have a British bulldog tattoo?

Why does it always come down to people saying "you are racist" just because people do not want the country full of immigrants.

Or if somebody has an England flag then they are racist, well if that is the case then there is 17,410,742 of us...

 

[peekaygee73]

Healthcare can be claimed back from the member state from which the patient originates, so wouldn't cost the NHS.

If you're looking for work you have to show you're actively looking for work and will be 'encouraged' to apply for jobs.

If you're here for longer than three months and can't support yourself, can't get work, or you commit benefit fraud then you're off back to your country of origin.

 

[Joe]

I ****ing give up on the people in this country I really do.

Wonder when it'll become mandatory to have a British bulldog tattoo?

Why does it always come down to people saying "you are racist" just because people do not want the country full of immigrants.

Or if somebody has an England flag then they are racist, well if that is the case then there is 17,410,742 of us...

Quite simply because the racist vote has unfortunately won this referendum. I've just seen video clips of pensioner age leave supporters citing immigration as the reason for them wanting to exit the EU and then running away from the camera..followed by a woman with an English t-shirt shouting "IT'S OUR BRITAIN AND WE'VE GOT IT BACK!" with a crazy smile on her face.

Not every leave vote was a racist one but sadly many (if not the majority) were.

 

[lejackal]

How many people on here have parents, grandparents, great grandparents etc from other countries? They were all migrants/immigrants at some point.
We have a rich history of taking in folk from all over the world, half of which we have raped and pillaged and to be honest half of Northern Europe has done the same to us at some point in time!
We should not be devolving into a smaller isolated nation but trying to evolve into part of a greater combined EU but nope, not for us we preferred the 3 day week. FFS the Scots will be off inside the next two years and taking up the UKs place at the top table in Europe, admittedly they will probably have less financial and political clout initially but at least they are moving forward instead of living in the past!
And if anyone thinks we will be handing over less cash to the EU then I think you're badly wrong on that point as well - how much industry do you think this country will have if we are no longer a gateway into the single market? And if we are in the single market then guess what? That's right, freedom of movement will stay to. and so will the payments for the privilege just without the opportunity to lead change and reform.
Still think 'out' was the right thing to do?

 

[plantman]

at lot of voters have voted just based on immigration..but i definitely wouldn't say most have.

The thing is, the euro is collapsing, numerous member countries of the EU are in turmoil and others have cited they now want out, we were leaving a dictatorship that wasn't working nothing more.

All we have voted for is the UK government to negotiate trade and set the rules for this country

We will still have immigration, we will still have trade, yes there is going o be a lot of hard work to get the best deals, but Germany have already come forward and said they want a quick free trade deal set up.

forget the far right nazis, unfortunately they come with the parcel of leaving, stay calm and keep spending, the £ has risen and is predicted to get back to normal because the £ is stronger than the euro.

 

[edd_jedi]

Why does it always come down to people saying "you are racist" just because people do not want the country full of immigrants.

As you seem to have a poor memory as well as being racist:

YES get in, made my vote to leave and woke up to the fantastic news this morning.

Close the borders kick out the sponging migrants and lets move Britain forward.

 

[weasel]

Healthcare can be claimed back from the member state from which the patient originates, so wouldn't cost the NHS.

CAN is the important word there. The NHS or the Gov (I don't know which) is dreadful at trying to get that money back. I think we get something like 10% of it.
There are a few reasons. Piss poor inefficient bureaucracy over here ("well, I asked them for it, so I can tick that box and move on"), foreign governments just refusing to pay, and johnny foreigner giving a false name/address/details. Either way we get back a tiny fraction of the money. Ohh and that has been going on since the last Labour Gov, so not a cause of just he Tories being useless.

 

[Clarkspie&chips]

I don't think it's correct to say immigration concerns or racism (which are not the same thing) won the vote although they were clearly a major issue.
For many people it's more to do with taking control back and setting laws and taxes which suit the UK rather than the EU. The British mindset is unique and not particularly conducive to being a part of a federal EU but that's not to say people want to turn their backs on Europe.
For me I am happy with the result as it gives an opportunity for change (both sides of the channel) which hopefully will bring out the best in people.

 

[edd_jedi]

Saying you don't want foreigners in "your" country is racist. It doesn't matter how you try and dress it up, it is racist. Of course the fact none of us are indigenous to this island seems to escape most neanderthals. My grandmother was German, am I a nasty scrounger too? The level of stupidity of some leave voters has astonished me, I have seen people with clearly European surnames harping on about immigrants and "making Britain great again."

 

[weasel]

One observation I'll throw out there.

My Facebook news feed is split almost exactly down the middle. Those with degrees are distraught/disgusted/pissed off. Those without are delighted/happy/relieved.

I dunno why this is the case, there are a few very different ideas floating about in my head, but there is a very clear split on my Bakebook feed.
Maybe it's just me.

 

[peekaygee73]

Healthcare can be claimed back from the member state from which the patient originates, so wouldn't cost the NHS.

CAN is the important word there. The NHS or the Gov (I don't know which) is dreadful at trying to get that money back. I think we get something like 10% of it.
There are a few reasons. Piss poor inefficient bureaucracy over here ("well, I asked them for it, so I can tick that box and move on"), foreign governments just refusing to pay, and johnny foreigner giving a false name/address/details. Either way we get back a tiny fraction of the money. Ohh and that has been going on since the last Labour Gov, so not a cause of just he Tories being useless.

I agree, but it's my understanding that the vast majority of that is lost due to failings in the NHS (for which the government is ultimately accountable).The EU have put systems in place to enable this money to be claimed back, so people are blaming the EU and/or migrants for something which isn't their fault.

But as has been said it's (almost certainly) happening now, so we have to make the best of it.

 

[weasel]

It's gonna be a very interesting few years.

I'm intrigued to see what the EU does now. A few of the leaders from Eastern Europe have been calling for the EU to change and pointing out it's not currently working as is. I wonder will they make any progress or will the Euro Bureaucracy stifle them.

 

[peekaygee73]

It's gonna be a very interesting few years.

I'm intrigued to see what the EU does now. A few of the leaders from Eastern Europe have been calling for the EU to change and pointing out it's not currently working as is. I wonder will they make any progress or will the Euro Bureaucracy stifle them.

Countries like the Netherlands and Denmark have been watching with interest. I think their next moves will have a huge impact on the EU's reaction.

 

[Clarkspie&chips]

Not wanting someone in the country because of where they are from is completely racist.
Being concerned about the impact of a bigger population as a result of immigration on the UK is not.
The videos doing the rounds of racist scumbags harping on about kicking out the foreigners are rightfully disgusting but obviously not the general consensus of the majority who voted out. The media clearly targeted these sort of people for the sensationalism it causes.

 

[edd_jedi]

Well I guess we'll see, my prediction is that in two years time (or however long it takes) life will be exactly the same for everybody that voted leave - the NHS will still be **** (because under investment has crippled it, not foreigners) your job will still be **** (because it's your responsibility to find a better job) and you still won't like foreigners. Only then you will have nobody but yourself to blame for any of the above.

 

[weasel]

Then they will blame the politicians!

 

[peekaygee73]

Not wanting someone in the country because of where they are from is completely racist.
Being concerned about the impact of a bigger population as a result of immigration on the UK is not.
The videos doing the rounds of racist scumbags harping on about kicking out the foreigners are rightfully disgusting but obviously not the general consensus of the majority who voted out. The media clearly targeted these sort of people for the sensationalism it causes.

Maybe, but the 'Leave' campaign targeted them too. Their broadcast earlier this week playing up to peoples fears about Turkey joining the EU was shameful.

But as I mentioned earlier, both campaigns have been abysmal.