What will CB AFA 80 + / C9+ 12 backs look like 30 years?

[jaymassive619]

Looking for peoples opinions / thoughts!!

The opening question says it all.

Putting kenner ROTJ and POTF aside what do you think the Starwars kenner and palitoy and other 12 20 and 21 backs at AFA80 and above/ C9+ condition / grade with minty clear bubbles will look like in another 30 years?

What do you think they will look like in 50 75 and 100 years?

Also do you think clear bubble Tri Logo's C9+ OR afa80 as time goes on?

The above questions ae regarding all of the MOC so consider the bubbles, figures and the cardbacks.


What line / lines do you think will come out best regarding deteriation and make the sounder long term investment?

As all who know me i collect for pleasure not investment and i'll definately retain my core collection all my life. I'm 30 in January so fingers crossed i could have another 50+ years in me 8) and i am really interested to know what my gran kids or great gran kids may recieve when the day comes for me to join the force. Has anybody else ever thought about this?

 

[Grant]

Hello Jay,

I think all the carded figures you mentioned will stil be perfect. IF you keep them out of sunlight and store them in a cool place.
I dont see why any of them should look any different apart from POTF and ROTJ but i think the ones that are clear now will most likely stay clear if they are looked after in the way i mentioned above.
Only my humble opinion.

Cheers mate.

Grant.

 

[spoons]

I'd be very surprised if there's any MOC Star Wars in 100 years time - I'd expect the all the bubbles to fall off long before then

I don't think that the 12 backs and clear Palitoys will yellow much, if stored correctly, but I just don't think the bubbles will still be attached

 

[Lee Bullock]

I'd be very surprised if there's any MOC Star Wars in 100 years time - I'd expect the all the bubbles to fall off long before then

I don't think that the 12 backs and clear Palitoys will yellow much, if stored correctly, but I just don't think the bubbles will still be attached

Holo-bay 2108 " FS antique star wars 12 back Stormtrooper - expertly resealed and figure expertly reconditioned in Hydrogen Peroxide!!!"

 

[Joe]

Surely if the bubbles were applied by a form of pressure and heat then it would only take pressure to take them off? If stored laying down there is no pressure hence no problem?

There is no glue or adhesive to dry up and there are people that have put standing them up to the test by pushing hard on the top of the bubble to see if it budges and they don't.
If they are brittle they will crack but they wont fall off unless you pull them off...

Thats my opinion anyway

 

[Joe]

Unless you own a collection of Gammorrean Guards and display them by hanging them from the ceiling !

That would pull the bubbles off haha

 

[Lee Bullock]

Unless you own a collection of Gammorrean Guards and display them by hanging them from the ceiling !

That would pull the bubbles off haha

Who showed you them pictures!!!!

 

[Joe]

Unless you own a collection of Gammorrean Guards and display them by hanging them from the ceiling !

That would pull the bubbles off haha

Who showed you them pictures!!!!

LOL Lee your secret experiment is out now !

 

[Lee Bullock]

Unless you own a collection of Gammorrean Guards and display them by hanging them from the ceiling !

That would pull the bubbles off haha

Who showed you them pictures!!!!

LOL Lee your secret experiment is out now !

There is no experiment - now move along...

 

[Joe]

Even if Lee isn't going to admit it now I have rumbled him..I think inadvertently I have discovered (even if Lee beat me to it) a perfect test for those bubbles over time :mrgreen:

Anyone got a spare Gam Guard they can on the ceiling in their garage ?? :lol:

(Except Lee)

 

[spoons]

Surely if the bubbles were applied by a form of pressure and heat then it would only take pressure to take them off? If stored laying down there is no pressure hence no problem?

There is no glue or adhesive to dry up and there are people that have put standing them up to the test by pushing hard on the top of the bubble to see if it budges and they don't.
If they are brittle they will crack but they wont fall off unless you pull them off...

Thats my opinion anyway

you get bubble lift on cards today, I don't think its to do with manual pressure, its to do with the contraction and expansion of the cardbacks and the bubbles - it's inevitable unless you keep you MOC in air conditioned de-humidified conditions :wink:

Face it Joe, all our MOC collections will be worthless by the time we're dead - but will we care :lol:

 

[Joe]

Face it Joe, all our MOC collections will be worthless by the time we're dead - but will we care :lol:

Mines worthless now :lol: :lol:

 

[Joe]

you get bubble lift on cards today, I don't think its to do with manual pressure, its to do with the contraction and expansion of the cardbacks and the bubbles - it's inevitable unless you keep you MOC in air conditioned de-humidified conditions

I think that holds a lot of truth but I also think a deciding factor is how good the seal was done in the first place, you can sometimes see burn marks and impressions on cards and even creasing down the bubble line but from the back of the card indicating that the bubble was literally punched onto the card with great force, on others its not so noticeable leading me to think it was not applied with quite the same pressure.

Also bubble lifts tend to happen from a specific corner or side it doesn't happen at the same rate all around the bubble that (to me at least) also indicates that there might have been a weaker seal at that portion of the bubble. Any thoughts?

 

[spoons]

One way or another I'll just be happy if I'm around to see what happens in 100 years

 

[Joe]

You are right though spoons, I don't think it'll be top of my priorities if I am on my death bed!

Maybe the future collectors will favour cardbacks + their original figures (that they fell off, if they do )
instead of actual MOMC it would be like MOCBSO (Mint off card but still original) :lol:

 

[spoons]

You are right though spoons, I don't think it'll be top of my priorities if I am on my death bed!

Maybe the future collectors will favour cardbacks + their original figures (that they fell off, if they do )
instead of actual MOMC it would be like MOCBSO (Mint off card but still original) :lol:

lol

Face it Joe, all our MOC collections will be worthless by the time we're dead - but will we care :lol:

Mines worthless now :lol: :lol:

and lol

:lol:

 

[Bollux]

who cares? we will all be long gone!

there will only be michael jackson left to play with them!

 

[Ron]

I think most MOC will be alright. They have lasted this long. Why not another 30-50 years or longer

 

[Grant]

you get bubble lift on cards today, I don't think its to do with manual pressure, its to do with the contraction and expansion of the cardbacks and the bubbles - it's inevitable unless you keep you MOC in air conditioned de-humidified conditions

I think that holds a lot of truth but I also think a deciding factor is how good the seal was done in the first place, you can sometimes see burn marks and impressions on cards and even creasing down the bubble line but from the back of the card indicating that the bubble was literally punched onto the card with great force, on others its not so noticeable leading me to think it was not applied with quite the same pressure.

Also bubble lifts tend to happen from a specific corner or side it doesn't happen at the same rate all around the bubble that (to me at least) also indicates that there might have been a weaker seal at that portion of the bubble. Any thoughts?

Hi Joe,

I totally agree with you on that. I would say that only the defective bubble and cards will suffer. I think you would have to really prize of a firmly attached bubble in the future if it has been stored well and if it was a strong bubble to begin with leaving the factory.

Any with lifting bubbles and yellow bubbles might suffer because they are defective but i think the strong examples will stand the test of time.

These strong examples will be the ones for the grandchildren and great grand children. Also consider this that Star Wars is very popular and with all the new people coming to the hobby that like the new stuff at the moment and the ones that will start to like the vintage i dont think you will have a problem in the future getting your money back.

The vintage line we all love is what it is vintage, The beginnings of it all which will always be special and coveted.

Just my humble opinion.

Grant.

 

[tiefighterboy]

who cares? we will all be long gone!

there will only be michael jackson left to play with them!

That would defintely make them sticky. :wink: