WATCH OUT THREAD – ANOTHER FAKE ITEM DISCOVERED

[Mr-shifter]

It's very sad that this saga continues to throw up these surprises and damaging the hobby.

I am slightly perturbed by what is going on here though, as Marc is a really decent bloke. I would love to hear his side of this story.

 

[Frunkstar]

It's very sad that this saga continues to throw up these surprises and damaging the hobby.

I am slightly perturbed by what is going on here though, as Marc is a really decent bloke. I would love to hear his side of this story.

Well I have nothing to hide & am happy to share any comunications between myself & Marc over this, I welcome Marc coming on & giving his reasons for not being willing to refund me on this item.

 

[Michael Sith]

Proven fake....won't refund...what's to be perturbed about?

It's not about the person, their reputation, or people's experiences whether friends or acquaintances etc it's a fake, needs to be refunded, autopsies.can come afterwards IMO.

Facts and reputations should not be blurred, opinions, conjecture, hearsay, etc are not the points of fact, if the item is fake that's the point of fact. It's very poor form to put forward caveat emptor, or translated "tough mate" surely that in itself severely damages a reputation.

If it was me, I would say " really sorry, looks like I've been duped in the first instance I will sort it with you"

Just my opinion

 

[subzero]

An innocent seller would at least look into it and offer to refund on it ( unless they are being genuine and suspect they might be being scammed themselves ).

Refusing to refund and ignoring the situation though is a huge red flag!

 

[Mr-shifter]

Proven fake....won't refund...what's to be perturbed about?

It's not about the person, their reputation, or people's experiences whether friends or acquaintances etc it's a fake, needs to be refunded, autopsies.can come afterwards IMO.

Facts and reputations should not be blurred, opinions, conjecture, hearsay, etc are not the points of fact, if the item is fake that's the point of fact. It's very poor form to put forward caveat emptor, or translated "tough mate" surely that in itself severely damages a reputation.

If it was me, I would say " really sorry, looks like I've been duped in the first instance I will sort it with you"

Just my opinion

Michael, you surprise me.

Whilst I don't disagree with what you say, it very much surprises me that as the forums usual voice of reason, that you wouldn't like to hear the other side of the story, because there is always a different perspective or opinion. Who knows, maybe even fact.

I am not for one second suggesting that what frank is saying is not damning, but unlike most of the rest of this thread I do not feel in a position to pass judgement until I have heard from all of the parties concerned, just as any fair court in the country.

This thread started as a watch out thread about more fakes in the mailer world, and has quickly decended into a witch hunt.

None of you know all of what has happened here, because Marc hasnt given his account. I don't know, but I would like to know why Marc won't give a refund before deciding what I think of him, as I have known him personally for a while and this is very out of character. None of you have met him, spent time with him, yet so quick to judge without all the facts. Shame on you all.

Frank, I sincerely hope you and Marc can sort this out. It doesn't really have anything to do with anyone else and I hate seeing friends fall out with each other. There has been far too much of this recently in what is in reality a very small community.

 

[momike]

Apologies mr-shifter but I don't know your name, I've just read back through all the comments and other than one person referring to scammers as twats I see no negative comments or personal attacks towards the seller whatsoever so find your shame on you all comment totally unfounded as do I calling it a witch hunt. The seller is obviously a friend of yours and appreciate your just sticking up for a friend, I presume you have been in touch with him and made him aware of this thread as I'm sure others have also, it's been nearly a week since this was posted and would of thought he would of been on already and given his side of the story already if he intended too?

From a neutral standpoint and baring in mind the grading report if I was in the sellers shoes I would refund no questions asked just as I would expect if I was the buyer and so would any of you guys in that position, anyone who thinks otherwise I say shame on you

 

[Frunkstar]

Proven fake....won't refund...what's to be perturbed about?

It's not about the person, their reputation, or people's experiences whether friends or acquaintances etc it's a fake, needs to be refunded, autopsies.can come afterwards IMO.

Facts and reputations should not be blurred, opinions, conjecture, hearsay, etc are not the points of fact, if the item is fake that's the point of fact. It's very poor form to put forward caveat emptor, or translated "tough mate" surely that in itself severely damages a reputation.

If it was me, I would say " really sorry, looks like I've been duped in the first instance I will sort it with you"

Just my opinion

Michael, you surprise me.

Whilst I don't disagree with what you say, it very much surprises me that as the forums usual voice of reason, that you wouldn't like to hear the other side of the story, because there is always a different perspective or opinion. Who knows, maybe even fact.

I am not for one second suggesting that what frank is saying is not damning, but unlike most of the rest of this thread I do not feel in a position to pass judgement until I have heard from all of the parties concerned, just as any fair court in the country.

This thread started as a watch out thread about more fakes in the mailer world, and has quickly decended into a witch hunt.

None of you know all of what has happened here, because Marc hasnt given his account. I don't know, but I would like to know why Marc won't give a refund before deciding what I think of him, as I have known him personally for a while and this is very out of character. None of you have met him, spent time with him, yet so quick to judge without all the facts. Shame on you all.

Frank, I sincerely hope you and Marc can sort this out. It doesn't really have anything to do with anyone else and I hate seeing friends fall out with each other. There has been far too much of this recently in what is in reality a very small community.

Some great points there & I agree with most of it, up till the point Marc said he is refusing to refund me I had also regarded him a good guy in the hobby & a friend, we have spoken many many times over the years & I agree this would seem totally out of character for him, TBH I am a little baffled, but I do know Marc is convinced of the items authenticity regardless of the information I have presented here., which in itself I find rather odd.

Admittedly it's been some time since I bought the item which was one of the reasons he gave for not wanting to refund, also that I saw images of it before buying & did from the images think it was ok, it was not till I had the item in hand & actually had a chance to check it that I noticed several worrying point that raised concerns for me, now at the time I bought it I was in fact in the middle of a house move, so I gave it a quick check to make sure nothing got damaged in the post & then packed it away with all my other vintage (which had already been packed) ready for the move, 6 months down the line, the move done & a new display put together I finally had a chance to unpack it & get it put out on display, it was then I first noticed the possible issues.

I have tried my best to seek advice & input from others within the multi pack collecting community for opinions & on hearing they are not familiar with this pink text I did what I considered prudent to ascertain it's authenticity, not only did I send it to UKG, I also hunted about till I found someone with a known authentic example so it could be looked at next to this for a clear comparison.

I have not put this thread up as a witch hunt, nor have I tried to tar Marc over the issue, all I have done is laid out the facts as I have them, first presented the findings, then after being prompted named where I got it & where it is known to trace back to, something which I was not aware of at the time of buying may I add.

I know 6 months is a little while, but under the circumstances I really do not feel that the time period should be an issue, I have made refunds after longer periods & have also requested them without such issues in the past.

If it is needed I am more than happy to screenshot our entire conversation regarding the sale & the refund request which was conducted on face book.

 

[Mr-shifter]

Apologies mr-shifter but I don't know your name, I've just read back through all the comments and other than one person referring to scammers as twats I see no negative comments or personal attacks towards the seller whatsoever so find your shame on you all comment totally unfounded as do I calling it a witch hunt. The seller is obviously a friend of yours and appreciate your just sticking up for a friend, I presume you have been in touch with him and made him aware of this thread as I'm sure others have also, it's been nearly a week since this was posted and would of thought he would of been on already and given his side of the story already if he intended too?

From a neutral standpoint and baring in mind the grading report if I was in the sellers shoes I would refund no questions asked just as I would expect if I was the buyer and so would any of you guys in that position, anyone who thinks otherwise I say shame on you

It is Ben.

I do consider Marc a friend. I have not been in touch with him about this thread, and haven't seen him since farthest from. His forum account is Star Wares and I have been reliably informed he hasn't been on the forum since 30th July so probably hasn't seen this.

And I am not sticking up for him. I would just like to hear his side of the story, that is all. This thread paints a very bad picture of someone who I wouldn't have thought would be capable of pulling such a stunt. Hopefully you can understand why I would ask the question "what the ****" after reading this thread.

 

[momike]

I appreciate where your coming from Ben in regards to the wtf as we can all appreciate this is not a good situation all around, I just didn't agree with the shame on you all comment

I don't know marc so might be an idea if someone who knows him contacts him and let's him know about the thread in the hope of him possibly coming on and telling his version of events

 

[Michael Sith]

I absoloutely agree that the other side should be heard, and that for one moment was never in question and to his credit Frank has said the same thing

I will re iterate my point once more though, just to be clear, as why's, wherefores and maybes are not the issue here, the fact that it's fake IS.
Everyone makes mistakes, it's how we deal with the mistake that is the measure of the man we are.

The fact that the sellers response was caveat emptor " tough mate" was what I was getting at and shows extremely poor form, the facts were my point and as such reason does not come into it at that juncture, hence my point that autopsies come after, but do the decent thing and refund. It is just not fair for anyone to just put forward caveat emptor, irrespective of who they are or their reputation.
If it was me I would refund, I'm sure if it was Frank he would refund, and I'm sure if it was you, you would also refund.

Proven fake....won't refund...what's to be perturbed about?

It's not about the person, their reputation, or people's experiences whether friends or acquaintances etc it's a fake, needs to be refunded, autopsies.can come afterwards IMO.

Facts and reputations should not be blurred, opinions, conjecture, hearsay, etc are not the points of fact, if the item is fake that's the point of fact. It's very poor form to put forward caveat emptor, or translated "tough mate" surely that in itself severely damages a reputation.

If it was me, I would say " really sorry, looks like I've been duped in the first instance I will sort it with you"

Just my opinion

Michael, you surprise me.

Whilst I don't disagree with what you say, it very much surprises me that as the forums usual voice of reason, that you wouldn't like to hear the other side of the story, because there is always a different perspective or opinion. Who knows, maybe even fact.

I am not for one second suggesting that what frank is saying is not damning, but unlike most of the rest of this thread I do not feel in a position to pass judgement until I have heard from all of the parties concerned, just as any fair court in the country.

This thread started as a watch out thread about more fakes in the mailer world, and has quickly decended into a witch hunt.

None of you know all of what has happened here, because Marc hasnt given his account. I don't know, but I would like to know why Marc won't give a refund before deciding what I think of him, as I have known him personally for a while and this is very out of character. None of you have met him, spent time with him, yet so quick to judge without all the facts. Shame on you all.

Frank, I sincerely hope you and Marc can sort this out. It doesn't really have anything to do with anyone else and I hate seeing friends fall out with each other. There has been far too much of this recently in what is in reality a very small community.

 

[Michael Sith]

I absoloutely agree that the other side should be heard, and that for one moment was never in question and to his credit Frank has said the same thing

I will re iterate my point once more though, just to be clear, as why's, wherefores and maybes are not the issue here, the fact that it's fake IS.
Everyone makes mistakes, it's how we deal with the mistake that is the measure of the man we are.

The fact that the sellers response was caveat emptor " tough mate" was what I was getting at and shows extremely poor form, the facts were my point and as such reason does not come into it at that juncture, hence my point that autopsies come after, but do the decent thing and refund. It is just not fair for anyone to just put forward caveat emptor, irrespective of who they are or their reputation.
If it was me I would refund, I'm sure if it was Frank he would refund, and I'm sure if it was you, you would also refund.

Frank has done the right thing in putting the fact that these fakes are out there, yet again protecting others in the community fro making a mistake.

Proven fake....won't refund...what's to be perturbed about?

It's not about the person, their reputation, or people's experiences whether friends or acquaintances etc it's a fake, needs to be refunded, autopsies.can come afterwards IMO.

Facts and reputations should not be blurred, opinions, conjecture, hearsay, etc are not the points of fact, if the item is fake that's the point of fact. It's very poor form to put forward caveat emptor, or translated "tough mate" surely that in itself severely damages a reputation.

If it was me, I would say " really sorry, looks like I've been duped in the first instance I will sort it with you"

Just my opinion

Michael, you surprise me.

Whilst I don't disagree with what you say, it very much surprises me that as the forums usual voice of reason, that you wouldn't like to hear the other side of the story, because there is always a different perspective or opinion. Who knows, maybe even fact.

I am not for one second suggesting that what frank is saying is not damning, but unlike most of the rest of this thread I do not feel in a position to pass judgement until I have heard from all of the parties concerned, just as any fair court in the country.

This thread started as a watch out thread about more fakes in the mailer world, and has quickly decended into a witch hunt.

None of you know all of what has happened here, because Marc hasnt given his account. I don't know, but I would like to know why Marc won't give a refund before deciding what I think of him, as I have known him personally for a while and this is very out of character. None of you have met him, spent time with him, yet so quick to judge without all the facts. Shame on you all.

Frank, I sincerely hope you and Marc can sort this out. It doesn't really have anything to do with anyone else and I hate seeing friends fall out with each other. There has been far too much of this recently in what is in reality a very small community.

 

[Michael Sith]

I absoloutely agree that the other side should be heard, and that for one moment was never in question and to his credit Frank has said the same thing

I will re iterate my point once more though, just to be clear, as why's, wherefores and maybes are not the issue here, the fact that it's fake IS.
Everyone makes mistakes, it's how we deal with the mistake that is the measure of the man we are.

The fact that the sellers response was caveat emptor " tough mate" was what I was getting at and shows extremely poor form, the facts were my point and as such reason does not come into it at that juncture, hence my point that autopsies come after, but do the decent thing and refund. It is just not fair for anyone to just put forward caveat emptor, irrespective of who they are or their reputation.
If it was me I would refund, I'm sure if it was Frank he would refund, and I'm sure if it was you, you would also refund.

Frank has done the right thing in putting the fact that these fakes are out there, yet again protecting others in the community fro making a mistake.

Michael, you surprise me.

Whilst I don't disagree with what you say, it very much surprises me that as the forums usual voice of reason, that you wouldn't like to hear the other side of the story, because there is always a different perspective or opinion. Who knows, maybe even fact.

I am not for one second suggesting that what frank is saying is not damning, but unlike most of the rest of this thread I do not feel in a position to pass judgement until I have heard from all of the parties concerned, just as any fair court in the country.

This thread started as a watch out thread about more fakes in the mailer world, and has quickly decended into a witch hunt.

None of you know all of what has happened here, because Marc hasnt given his account. I don't know, but I would like to know why Marc won't give a refund before deciding what I think of him, as I have known him personally for a while and this is very out of character. None of you have met him, spent time with him, yet so quick to judge without all the facts. Shame on you all.

Frank, I sincerely hope you and Marc can sort this out. It doesn't really have anything to do with anyone else and I hate seeing friends fall out with each other. There has been far too much of this recently in what is in reality a very small community.

 

[Michael Sith]

Duplicate post

 

[_Lee_]

Frank,

Sorry to hear about it bud. Keep on going man

 

[_Lee_]

Removed as not right being in this thread.

 

[Frunkstar]

It would seem that Jeff has a new way off offloading all his previously fake baggies on jabbas vintage auction group on facebook & Marc is helping with that IMO, I have put my thoughts on the thread here & if anyone is interested I can provide detailed images to confirm this.

http://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32649&start=315

 

[slim]

Post images Frank , I am buying baggies at the minute and and would like to add these images to my fakes list ?

 

[lejackal]

Post images Frank , I am buying baggies at the minute and and would like to add these images to my fakes list ?

It's not baggies for sale, it's figures that have been removed from fake baggies and subsequently graded

 

[slim]

Thanks for the heads up , I have read the other thread and seen the item in question , this is unbelievable