up the gunners!!

[weasel]

Typical Arsenal!

I think Sunday's game will be interesting. I could see any of three results. I can see Arsenal beating United by a few as well, United still don't have a midfield and if Arsenal get a goal or two up..............

Still, could be worse you could be drawing at home for the 7th time (in the league) this season! :roll:

 

[jsalv]

welcome home, king thiery!!!

fools! oxlade-chamberlain is the new star of the emirates

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

Bang on there mate! He is your best player until wilshere comes back from injury

 

[jackabina]

it pains me to say, but Wenger needs to go! Hes so single minded. He refuses to spend any money and sells our best players. Mr Van Persie can go with my best wishes. He'll need to if he ever wants to win anything again.
Move Wenger upstairs and appoint Moyes. If newcastle and liverpool buck their ideas up, we wont finish in the top 6.
P.S. that little russian can piss off tommorrow.

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

I agree Neil. Honestly I never throught I would see a day when arsenal fans where calling for wengers head :?

 

[jackabina]

honestly mate. I dont suppose in the grand scheme of things arsenal fans have a great deal to moan about. the team plays good football. its financially sound. were still reguarded as a big club, (i think). when you look at the plight of some teams like blackburn, wolves, wigan etc, some might say "shut the **** up". but i was watching a dvd the other night showing some of arsenals greatest goals, and blimey henry, bergkamp, overmars, petit, viera, pires, wright, even kanu in his day. look what weve got now!!......................come back franny jeffers, all is forgiven.

 

[weasel]

I watched both games on Sunday. While the first half of City Spuds was very cagey the second was great viewing and the over all standard of play was head and shoulders above what Arsenal and the scum served up. I have to say the first half at the Emirates was some of the worst football I have seen in a long time. Passes went astray more than they went to a team mate, and neither side created anything of note, bar United scoring in injury time.
Like the first game, the second half was better, but only marginally. United deserved to win (I feel dirty saying that) mainly because Arsenal were so poor. They just never got going. RVP touched the ball about three times FFS!

As for Theo Walshit, he's had enough time now to learn how to play football. Pace to burn but if you can't pick out a team mate from 20 yards under no pressure and cross into the box without even bothering to look where your team are, you are no ****ing use!

Wenger has worked wonders at Arsenal but that team really does need some serious investment or at least a few new faces. Ideally experienced players who are hungry to win. NOT young French speaking children!
The question is, is Wenger the man to fix it? Can he see the faults that, lets be honest, have been glaringly obvious to all of us for 3-4 years now!? Does he actually have any money to spend!?

PS, could be worse, you have been taught a footballing lesson by ****ing Bolton Wanderers!

 

[PGowdy]

Spurs were desperately unlucky and i think marginally the more deserving team over-all. After City bundled the bakll across the line to go 2 up Spurs came to life and started to play football. And we schooled them in every area of the park. They just had no idea what to do and 1 minute from time Bale made mince meat of Richard for the 100th time and put a ball across the box for Defo to tap into an empty goal and earn a deserved victory... but that went a little wrong. Litterally an inch shallower on the cross and it was ours.
No one really to blame for that, just one of those things altho earlier in the match Balottelli and Lescott both should have been sent off but the ref didn't see either incident. Refereeing decisions have now cost us more points than i can ever remember happening in any other season.
Against Stoke Adebayor scored while about 8 yards on-side and the goal was ruled out for off-side. Peter Crouch scored a goal for Stoke which was proved to be a blatant hand-ball. Points cost - 3
Against Swansea Adebayor scored again, again on-side, again it was ruled out. Points cost - 2
Amazingly, the same happened against Chelsea. Points cost - 2
Astonishingly it happened for the 4th time against Wolves and altho it's a poor excuse for not destroying them at home, the decision still cost us another 2 points.
Against City, who knows how it would have ended but i don't think City would have won had Ballotelli deservedly been sent off. Points cost - at least 1

The officiating is at an all time low in the premier league and part of the reason is the speed of the game, especially the likes of Spurs, has increase to a level never seen before. This means, the better we play, the faster we turn defences round, the more decision will be going against us. Sad but true.

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

****in ell Pete when you put it in prospective like that its shocking. You could be a few points ahead at the top if a few of those decisions had gone your way! BTW the Stoke game was the worst refreeing performance EVER! :x

Weaz - Agreed really the United -Arsnl Game was V. Dissapointing - yet another example this season of united scraping their way to three points - just like last year but the only difference is the other teams City in particular have improved!

 

[weasel]

I agree about the Stoke game. Gotta be honest and say I don't remember the others.

I actually think the Ballotelli thing WAS an accident (so far I'm in a minority of ehh one on that). He's a prime Goosberry no doubt about it! But, I think it was an accident. On first viewing it looks well dodgey, but when you see it side it looks much more like an accident.

Lescott was lucky though, that looked very deliberate, no reason at all for him to have his elbow up there, especially after the ball has been cleared.

Mind you Kompany got a straight red a few weeks ago for a tackle that, IMO, wasn't even a foul nevermind a ****ing red card. Possibly that's evened out from City's point of view. Though that's no concilation to Spuds.

 

[PGowdy]

Personally i think the Kompany sending off was 100% correct. The rules of football say for that kind of tackle, you have to be shown a red card. It really is that simple. I think people are confusing what the rule IS with what they think the rule should be. The point is, if a tackle like that with both feet leading and lunging, if the feet hit the player rather than the ball, the players legs will break and that's why the rule is there. Personally i think that is right.

 

[weasel]

Possibly. But Nani didn't have control of the ball. I mean, Kompany had made the tackle and was getting up before Nani was even close to him. Unless Nani was blind and had just kept running aimlessly (ie, if he was Theo walcott) he was in no danger!

As far danger goes, there are far worse tackles put in week in week out that don't even result in frees being given. Johnson's one against City last week in the cup (which I think was a foul and possibly a yellow, no more). Parker's one on Richards (I think it was him) on Sunday. Any "tacke" ever made by Paul Scholes!

 

[PGowdy]

Johnson's tackle was disgusting and should have received a red. The City camp were arguing "if that didn't receive a red then neither should Kompany's" but they got it the wrong way round, that tackle, just like Kompany's should have received a red. Tho that is also my opinion, my opinion is irrelevant. These are the rules of the game now.
Parker's was one footed tho i think could have been a foul on another day with another ref.
Every Scholes tackle SHOULD have received a red card. He's one of the worst tacklers the game's ever seen.
Also, i don't buy the "but he didn't even break Nani's legs" argument which i've heard from a few old school defenders. If the tackle is towards the player at the time of launch, which it was, then the intent is there.
Also a player does not need control of a ball to be fouled.

 

[PGowdy]

I agree about the Stoke game. Gotta be honest and say I don't remember the others.

I can't find any highlights anywhere but this interview says it all- 12 seconds in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kMEo5k3WFg

Also, i think i may be wrong about the Wolves game, i think it may have been an issue with their goal. Or i'm lying cos i'm bitter... not sure. :lol:

 

[weasel]

About the Nani tackle, I meant more that Nani was in no danger of having his legs broken rather than the fact he didn't get a broken leg means it wasn't a foul. If players are going to be sent off for tackles like Kompany's (god that sounds a bit dodgey!) no game will ever finish 11 a-side.
Although, if that's the way refs want to go then so be it, but a bit of consistency would be nice.

Oh and Yes, Johnson's tackle was worse than Kompany's, I said that when I saw it in real time.

 

[PGowdy]

Personally i think Nani could have got hurt but luckily, he got out the way, just... the tackle did actually hit him, just not as hard as it might have as he was kind of jumping away as it came through him. But on that we'll have to agree to disagree i suppose.

On Richard's we are agreed and consistency is the main problem here. The rules say if a player leaves the floor, in a tackle, leading with both feet, weather they get the ball or not!... it is deemed dangerous enough to receive a red card.
A Wigan or Everton player (i can't remember) was sent of earlier this season for a perfectly good, strong, one footed challenge with which he won the ball. The red card was appealed with all pundits, players, fans and that bald referee who goes on sky saying it was definitely not a red and the comity decided not to rescind it. Seriously... what is going on??
Players, fans and managers don't know where they stand anymore with what is and is not allowed and sometimes i don't think the referees do either.

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

Are you referring to Jack Rodwells red in the merseyside derby Pete?

 

[PGowdy]

Yes, i think i might be.
Was that a ridiculous sending off??
My memory on the incident is vague but i remember being outraged. :lol:

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

OH yes! Here is a link to moyes press conference after the game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtXl0gJEXSg

 

[weasel]

The consistency of decision making in Mersey side derby's is a joke. Players on both sides get sent off tackles in one game that aren't even blown up in the next.