UKG grading (again)

[spoons]

I know its a link to a live auction, but these are ten a penny.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330751241305&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

I know I go on about this on every forum I visit (cause its the only thing I know :lol: ), but those Hans are not packed with stormtrooper blasters in error. All the pale face 'PBP' figures came with them and are found on both pal 45 and 65 backs

It really does baffle me why anyone gets anything graded, especially when the folk doing the grading don't know their vintage star wars half the time. AFA are just as bad.

Rant over and thanks for listening

 

[Grant_C]

Isn't it still an error though?

 

[Caswellbot]

This is no slight on ukg but more of a theoretical question about terminology.

Should pieces like this be called miscards as in all honesty the figure is correct for the card and only the weapon is incorrect for the figure?

Maybe they should be called misweaps??

I guess in this case if Andy is correct which I assume he is as this is his area and these were deliberately packed with these blaster then it definitely could nt be called a miscard.

 

[Caswellbot]

This is no slight on ukg but more of a theoretical question about terminology.

Should pieces like this be called miscards as in all honesty the figure is correct for the card and only the weapon is incorrect for the figure?

Maybe they should be called misweaps??

I guess in this case if Andy is correct which I assume he is as this is his area and these were deliberately packed with these blaster then it definitely could nt be called a miscard.

 

[dinner squadron 2]

I know its a link to a live auction, but these are ten a penny.

Ive got a penny, its shiny

 

[spoons]

Isn't it still an error though?

No, if anything a pale face HH with the Han blaster is the error as they aren't ten a penny (shiny or not)

It's a bit like the YPS trooper with the action force gun, they were packed that way so it's no error

There's no need to call it mis-anything, it is what it is.

But to be honest, there's bigger things to be concerned about, it just annoys me

 

[plantman]

i think its more an informative sales pitch

 

[spoons]

i think its more an informative sales pitch

I saw yours sell last week Andy, did you let it go for that price or would it now be 'graded' :wink:

 

[Joe]

i think its more an informative sales pitch

I saw yours sell last week Andy, did you let it go for that price or would it now be 'graded' :wink:

I told him it was normal to have a Stormy blaster and even mentioned you but he never listens :lol:

 

[spoons]

I'd told him too :lol:

Fair enough if you are trying to make a buck, my issue is with a professional grader not knowing their onions

 

[Joe]

Back on topic, I never really understood why the incorrect accessory thing all fell into the miscard area. Collectors are more to blame than grading companies IMO, just recently it seems that even if a figure had his head turned to the side it was being called a miscard..what ever happened to something being called an error or a production mistake (not counting the Han in question of course - that as you have found seems to be the norm, just like the Bespin Saber Luke Gunner Trilogo combo - purposely packaged like it)

AFA actually only add the missing/wrong/double whatever weapon to the tag - Stormtrooper 2 blasters etc

 

[spoons]

Back on topic, I never really understood why the incorrect accessory thing all fell into the miscard area. Collectors are more to blame than grading companies IMO, just recently it seems that even if a figure had his head turned to the side it was being called a miscard..what ever happened to something being called an error or a production mistake (not counting the Han in question of course - that as you have found seems to be the norm, just like the Bespin Saber Luke Gunner Trilogo combo - purposely packaged like it)

AFA actually only add the missing/wrong/double whatever weapon to the tag - Stormtrooper 2 blasters etc

I agree with all that, the problem is with everyone wanting their stuff to be unique/more valuable and the graders towing the line

 

[Joe]

Yep I think so too, bit of a sorry state of affairs but hey, if people are silly enough to trust a label over some leg work and research then so be it!

 

[Grant_C]

Good to know.

I've heard about the YPS trooper.

Can you think of any others?

 

[Frunkstar]

Should it not be listed as a weapons error or factory error rather than a miss card?, I know not technically correct in this case with all of these being packed with the wrong weapon (which is my thing learned today thanks Andy), but in general terms if a figure has the incorrect weapon.

 

[wbobafett]

Isn't it still an error though?

No, if anything a pale face HH with the Han blaster is the error as they aren't ten a penny (shiny or not)

It's a bit like the YPS trooper with the action force gun, they were packed that way so it's no error

There's no need to call it mis-anything, it is what it is.

But to be honest, there's bigger things to be concerned about, it just annoys me

The PBP Han Hoth were also packed with Stormtrooper blaster....well he has the same coo and is also pale faced (like the ones metioned)!

I do agree that this isnt a factory error anymore!

 

[spoons]

Sorry Wolff, when I said pale face I only meant the PBP ones, although folk argue whether these pal pale faces are PBP which muddies the water.

If you find a regular pale face Han on a Kenner card with a stormie blaster that is an error, but still not worth getting too excited about :lol:

Just to further confuse things the 47 back Palitoys are often found with a bespin blaster, far too many to be an individual factory error and the reason many people think that Han Hoth is meant to come with a Bespin blaster.

In this case it's either a conscious decision by Kenner or a major factory error where instructions were sent to all staff. I don't think we'll ever know for sure, or particularly care. In this instance you could argue it is an error as all other Kenner figs have the normal blaster

The PBP pale faces on Palitoy cards all have the stormie gun so are 100% meant to be that way - why is another debate :lol:

 

[wbobafett]

I ment the "real" PBP figure. There is the no coo pale faces with a little pink sprayed over and then there is the real PBP version that ONLY appeared on spanish ROTJ cards (not on all, but on some) with that violet torso color and a creamish pale face (like Dengar).

I believe you have Ulis PBP guide?? Let me know if you need a comparison picture!

Both variants go with Stromtrooper blaster!

Thats what I was trying to say.... :mrgreen:

(Hope this makes sense)

 

[spoons]

Its OK Wolff - I know that one, but I still call the pal pale faces PBP as the similarities in face colour, stormie weapon and apparent European origin make it likely that they were made at the same factory.

BTW I've yet to be convinced by the violet torso on the Spanish carded PBPs. Dengar is the same colour all over, whilst I think the Hans may be be down to discolouration of a different plastic stock. But to be fair they are so rare that its difficult to prove one way or another.

 

[wbobafett]

I agree they could have been made in the same factory. Maybe production color was changed after a short time!

I disagree with them beeing discolored. I had three examples in my hands over the years and one of them was actually discolored (greenish).
The violet color cannot be from discoloration, becasue its very unlikely limbs and torso discolor the same way. Also the faces are really different. I know that pictures on those are always shitty IMO. Its best to compare them in hands!

One day Ill try again to make a good picture....one day...LOL