U Grade mass destruction?

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Caswellbot said:
tiefighterboy said:
........................wait is this a star wars forum.............................sorta..... :D


Debatable at times! :wink:

Yes it is. Sorry to hear you were called name. Like I said...I am really just making observations on this one.
 
Thats ok Todd no norries. Im sure Jeff didnt mean it really and plus Im fairly thick skinned. 8)
 
Could have been worse, you could have been called a dirty 3 pack collector :shock: :lol:

Just had another look at the auctions a bit of a coincidence Jeff that you have U graded wicket, Logray and Jord Dusat figures as well as those exact same ( now empty ) card backs for sale. Card backs aren't looking too much like beaters to me.
 
Here is a prime example of how the U Grade is destroy our hobby as a whole that has just been listed on ebay - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Star-Wars-AFA-U95-MINT-Galactic-Heroes-PADME-AMIDALA-AND-ANAKIN-SKYWALKER-2004-/170791701366?pt=UK_ToysGames_ActionFigures_ActionFigures_JN&hash=item27c3fa8b76

Ok yes it is modern. But the Seller is just using the U Grade to inflate the price to ridicolous heights. (This normally sells for £15 at best! :roll:
 
Caswellbot said:
This kind of stuff makes me sick! I do hope this ass clown is not buying carded to sell as U Grades. He needs monitoring and if he is maybe some of his auctions need to be sabotaged! :twisted:


What the hell are you saying, I emailed you asking why you would call me a ass clown as seen above. I was not the one who called anyone any names.
 
Im struggling to see why anyone would want to open a vintage carded figure, let alone have someone else take your money to open it for you when theres plenty of loose ones available.
Even though I dont collect graded stuff, I can to some extent see why people want their stuff graded (especially expensive items) but the whole U-grading is just wrong.
Why would anyone want to remove a carded figure from the marked and pay to have it opened, or why would anyone spend ALOT more buying a U-graded figure, when Im absolutely positive half that amount could be spent buying a loose superminty figure (or just loose afa-graded).

With the current rate of figures being U-graded I fear that in the future only mint carded ones will survive and that would lead to a big problem for new collectors as the prices for mocs will skyrocket. Plenty of people that who would appreciate a beat up Klaatu will never have a chance of starting a carded collection.
 
BlueDog said:
Sorry Jeff I don't understand you analogy with the purchasing a new car mate.

If some one purchases a new car they don't have to destroy an old one in order to do so. I think your missing or avoiding the point.

SOMEONE WANTS SOMETHING NO ONE HAS DRIVEN AND I LIKE TOYS THAT ARE NOT PLAYED WITH, AND I HAVE SAID I BELIEVE THERE ARE MANY NICE CARDED FIGURES GOING TO THE U-GRADE, AND THAT SUCKS JUST LIKE WHEN I RECEIVED THESE CARD BACKS FROM AFA AND I FREAKED OUT.

It is a destructive practice no matter how you try to rationalise it, as another person wrote on RS it's just a clever way AFA have worked out how to make a buck out of carded figure they couldn't grade, hey lets break em out and grade with their own little label, as far as I'm concerned the moment AFA breaks them out of their bubble they are circulated. So in reality the whole notion is a farce.

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE TRYING TO MAKE A EXTRA BUCK THESE DAYS NO MATTER WHAT WE DO. FAKE PROTOS REPRO CARDS.

Can you understand the passion a lot of people have in regards to this practise, if it's being abused then maybe it should be stopped.


SURE BUT DO YOU THINK YOU CAN CONTROL WHAT PEOPLE DO, NO SO NO MATTER HOW MUCH IT SUCKS IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE AFA AND NOW.
 
Joe said:
Sorry just got back from a birthday party - I see I missed some fireworks!

I know Jeff (and one other collector on RS) have always been adamant that they submitted water damaged, rodent chewed dog turds of cards for their U graded set..do I believe them? I don't know, I would be inclined to as it's not nice to lie....is it correct? Not really as there will always be someone out there that would appreciate any carded figure, beater or not..but going forward and probably the most important question: is Jeff submitting carded figures every week to be destoyed for U grade profit? Well only he can answer but I would imagine (and hope) the answer is no.

I SAID IT TODAY AND NOW I DO NOT ACTIVILY LOOK FOR FIGURES TO U-GRADE, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE LAST CARDED FIGURES I SOLD UNGRADED, I WOULD NOT SEND ANY OF THOSE IN. EVERY U-LOOSE FIGURE IM SELLING RIGHT NOW HAD BAD CRACKS IN THE BUBBLES.

I still don't agree with that part of his collection at all, I would rather Jeff had non U' figures encased in acrylic as his Kenner set but after about 5 years of fighting against this type of thing on the boards I have come to the realisation that no one can dictate what people do with their toys unfortunately..we can try to educate people and speak with them, if that doesn't work we can also call them names and not deal with them but ultimately they will source toys to U grade if that's their thing.

THATS WHAT MAKES COLLECTING DIFFRENT, AS NOT EVERYONE WILL LIKE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE.

I sent AFA emails, I upset plenty of people on the boards (that I still really couldn't give a **** about) with my opinions on the subject but regardless of all that, the petitions, the U grade FAQ that Shawn made and the 3 main forums all seemingly against U grading still people keep doing it by the droves on ebay (well perhaps not that much nowadays but still it is happening) so I kinda want to move on from battling morons on the U grade subject if I am honest.

DO NOT KID YOURSELF JOE ONE OF THE LARGEST U-LOOSE COLLECTOR AND SELLER OF THEM STILL SENDS FIGURES IN IN DROVES, BUT IT SEEMS YOU NEVER ATTACK HIM AND HE DOES NOT LIVE IN THE US.

Today I went through all the old threads on U grades that Shawn has at the bottom of his article, and sure enough there I am ranting away in all of them...where did it get me? Nowhere. I still think U grading is pathetic and should stop but I realised unfortunately that we as collectors who oppose it have absolutely no way of stopping it.

I am actually rather happy that U graders/U buyers are spending silly money on glorified loose figures because the sooner they exhaust their disposable income the quicker they leave my hobby alone. Damage done or not.

I AGREE AS MOST COLLECTORS THAT COLLECT 90S AND 95S ONLY WANT THEM FOR THE MONEY NOT TO COLLECT THEM.
 
SURE BUT DO YOU THINK YOU CAN CONTROL WHAT PEOPLE DO, NO SO NO MATTER HOW MUCH IT SUCKS IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE AFA AND NOW.

I'm a realist Jeff of course I don't think I can control what people do, by that statement your suggesting if you can't beat them join them.

It's fairly clear no matter how many points people put forward you over look the one's you can't answer and offer simplistic comments like that. The fact remains that AFA offers a service to help in the destruction of perfectly good carded figures, once these are destroyed they can never be replaced. The early bird set on RS was a prime example. It's clear that the owners of AFA have no consideration for the preservation of these items in there original state. I'm going to leave it at that, it's clear from what others have said in this thread that this has all been said before with little to no effect. So be it.

U grade is wrong no matter how you try to sugar coat it, plain and simple.
 
Caswellbot said:
Its also important to remember here that you are just one person Jeff and although you may have done all this years ago to terrible cards (which I still dont personally agree with) it doesnt escape the fact that this service is being abused by less scrupulous people and carded figures and baggied items and sealed vehicles ect are being opened which is destructive to the hobby.


No one is out for you in particular Jeff I can assure you. Its nothing personal. I personally am willing to believe you at face value on everything you have said. You have been helpful to me in the past and I appreciate that. However I, like many others just worry that as long as the U Grade is undertaken by companies like AFA we will see a false market where high U Graded figures are touted at ridiculous prices and sealed examples are in decline.

I HAVE BEEN A COLLECTOR FOR 20 YEARS NOW AND HAD ALL OF THIS STUFF AS A KID SO THERE IS NO REASON TO LIE TO ANY OF YOU OR HIDE THAT I HAVE A AFA U-LOOSE COLLECTION, SO THANKS FOR THE TRUST.

Im sorry if my ebay message offended you but I had no idea it was your auction and worked on the basis that actually whoever was selling may not have understood the wider implications of the U Grade. Sometimes having things pointed out to you can change your outlook completely in certain circumstances. Im not sure I deserved to be called an "Ass Clown" for merely trying to point someone in the direction of an informative article on the matter.

HERE IS WHAT I SAID TO YOU AS I WAS QUESTIONING A LONG TIME COLLECTOR LIKE MYSELF

THIS IS WHAT I SENT TO YOU ON EMAIL REFFERING TO A EARILER POST YOU HAD POSTED.
ass clown seriously?? you have been around as long if not longer than me. Come on!!

AS I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD CALL ME THIS?


Chris.
 
BlueDog said:
Could have been worse, you could have been called a dirty 3 pack collector :shock: :lol:

Just had another look at the auctions a bit of a coincidence Jeff that you have U graded wicket, Logray and Jord Dusat figures as well as those exact same ( now empty ) card backs for sale. Card backs aren't looking too much like beaters to me.


HERE WE ARE AGAIN, THEY HAD BAD CRACKS AND I HAVE A SUPER HARD TIME SELLING CRACKED BUBBLES, AS WHEN EVER I SHIP THEM THEY USUALLY END UP BUSTING THROUGH, SO THERE IS WHERE I MAKE MY MIND UP, TO U-GRADE THEM AND SELL THE CARD BACK TO A CARD BACK COLLECTOR WHO WILL ENJOY THE PIECE.
 
SURE BUT DO YOU THINK YOU CAN CONTROL WHAT PEOPLE DO, NO SO NO MATTER HOW MUCH IT SUCKS IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE AFA AND NOW.[/quote]

I'm a realist Jeff of course I don't think I can control what people do, by that statement your suggesting if you can't beat them join them.

It's fairly clear no matter how many points people put forward you over look the one's you can't answer and offer simplistic comments like that. The fact remains that AFA offers a service to help in the destruction of perfectly good carded figures, once these are destroyed they can never be replaced. The early bird set on RS was a prime example. It's clear that the owners of AFA have no consideration for the preservation of these items in there original state. I'm going to leave it at that, it's clear from what others have said in this thread that this has all been said before with little to no effect. So be it.

U grade is wrong no matter how you try to sugar coat it, plain and simple.[/quote]

Here is a link to the thread Ryan is referring to
http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1077958/ :( :cry:
 
JEFFS_MUSEUM said:
Caswellbot said:
This kind of stuff makes me sick! I do hope this ass clown is not buying carded to sell as U Grades. He needs monitoring and if he is maybe some of his auctions need to be sabotaged! :twisted:


What the hell are you saying, I emailed you asking why you would call me a ass clown as seen above. I was not the one who called anyone any names.

Oh I see. Sorry. It was lost in translation a little with the way you worded your eBay message. I obviously hadn't anticipated that you had read the post here.

I'll claim the ass clown of the evening award.
 
SURE BUT DO YOU THINK YOU CAN CONTROL WHAT PEOPLE DO, NO SO NO MATTER HOW MUCH IT SUCKS IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE AFA AND NOW.[/quote]

I'm a realist Jeff of course I don't think I can control what people do, by that statement your suggesting if you can't beat them join them.

I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO SUBMIT U-LOOSE FIGURES SO I HAVE NEVER JOINED THEM, ITS WHAT HAPPENED AFTER ME THAT DESTROYED NICE MOCS. NOT ME.

It's fairly clear no matter how many points people put forward you over look the one's you can't answer and offer simplistic comments like that. The fact remains that AFA offers a service to help in the destruction of perfectly good carded figures, once these are destroyed they can never be replaced. The early bird set on RS was a prime example. It's clear that the owners of AFA have no consideration for the preservation of these items in there original state. I'm going to leave it at that, it's clear from what others have said in this thread that this has all been said before with little to no effect. So be it.

WELL I FEEL DIFFRENT AS I BELIEVE ONCE CARDED FIGURES ARE SEALED INTO ACRILIC CASES, THEY HAVE WAY MORE PROTECTION FOR LIFE AS I MOST OF THE TIME BUY UNGRADED MOCS AND SEND THEM IN, AND I HAVE HAD TONS OF MOCS GET DAMAGED IN SHIPPING AND NEVER HAD ANY OF MY AFA GRADED MOCS GET DAMAGED PERSONALLY, OR WHEN I HAVE SOLD THEM.

U grade is wrong no matter how you try to sugar coat it, plain and simple.[/quote]

I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW SUCKS.
 
Caswellbot said:
JEFFS_MUSEUM said:
Caswellbot said:
This kind of stuff makes me sick! I do hope this ass clown is not buying carded to sell as U Grades. He needs monitoring and if he is maybe some of his auctions need to be sabotaged! :twisted:


What the hell are you saying, I emailed you asking why you would call me a ass clown as seen above. I was not the one who called anyone any names.

Oh I see. Sorry. It was lost in translation a little with the way you worded your eBay message. I obviously hadn't anticipated that you had read the post here.

I'll claim the ass clown of the evening award.


NO HARM DONE, FROM A THREE PACK COLLECTOR AS WELL.
I READ EVERY MORNING ON HERE SO I SAW THE THREAD FIRST THING.
 
The buck lies with the collectors not the U graders, if some bellend is willing to pay £200 for a loose figure of course this is going to happen, i mean for gods sake money is money.

So as long as people out there will pay the premium this will happen.

Most of us are sensible and it will hopefully die away, if it doesnt we just have to del with it and ignore the tossers.
 
plantman said:
The buck lies with the collectors not the U graders, if some bellend is willing to pay £200 for a loose figure of course this is going to happen, i mean for gods sake money is money.

So as long as people out there will pay the premium this will happen.

Most of us are sensible and it will hopefully die away, if it doesnt we just have to del with it and ignore the tossers.

and the ass clowns :D
 
itfciain said:
plantman said:
The buck lies with the collectors not the U graders, if some bellend is willing to pay £200 for a loose figure of course this is going to happen, i mean for gods sake money is money.

So as long as people out there will pay the premium this will happen.

Most of us are sensible and it will hopefully die away, if it doesnt we just have to del with it and ignore the tossers.

and the ass clowns :D

Well said. :D
Hopefully it will die a death. When the penny drops with these U collectors, they'll hopefully realise what they've done.
Do they think everyone came down in the last shower ?
No way are people's whole collections of u grades made up of C2 cards or beaters. What a load of pony!

The best we can hope for is that when the whole u thing dies down, people have a collection that's not worth what they paid for it.
 
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