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Indeed. That time machine would definitely be getting some good use Jason!

"Look like they were made yesterday." - Uuughhh. :(
 
People like JS and JJ saying they knew Toni got unused cards, wouldnt u think it was suspicious ages ago with all these top quality cards. Even if JS had let out his suspicion years ago and was wrong atleast he had been looking out for the community and if right alot less people would have been scammed

Dont give out the info 20 years late when if true damage has been done, although I still think Toni may be innocent as no real proof, like Edd said, if a recognized figure loose figure turns up in a bubble, then thats what it will take.
 
lee gray said:
I have had time to think over christmas and think Toni may be innocent, for soneone to get away with it for so long is far fetched and when your hear about people in the know like JS and JJ saying they knew he got unused cards, wouldnt u think it was suspicious ages ago with all these top quality cards. Even if he had let out his suspicion years ago and was wrong atleast he had been looking out for the community and if right alot less prople would have been scammed

Dont give out the info 20 years late when if true damage has been done
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Lee, I applaud your loyalty and you have been one of the more vocal supporters of TT since all this came out. I am also sure that a large amount of people would like you to be right - however since when has a completely innocent man been so quiet about all the accusations being thrown at him

At the moment there is so much circumstantial evidence to suggest that something underhand has been going on - this could all be knocked on the head if TT could produce a stock picture of all these cards - but he hasn't (or can't)

As for the point you make about JJ - I am not sure how much of a member of the community he has been in the past 10-15 years and I certainly don't think he has been involved in the buying and selling of carded figures during this time - so it is quite possible that he didn't realise that a) Toni was still selling these items and b) that people in the community didn't know they were modern seals
 
Lol i actually edited my post before the reply, each day my opinion changes, yesterday thought was guilty, today innocent, either way all those in the know like Jim should have mentioned concerns earlier.
the keeping quiet is the main reason i think he could be guilty but as said the damage is now done
 
I think it is the nature of whistleblowing. It is a strange and dark art-form...people have various motivations or demotivations actually. Looking at the really big whitleblowers in the NHS for example..the Bristol pediatric heart surgery scandal was blown only when the whistleblower (Dr Stephen Bolsin) left UK and a secured a job in Australia...apparently he was making noises for a long-long-long time but no one cared or seemed to. Afterwards a lot of people came forward and blew the cover....Hindsight is the best tool.

Who knows why JJ did it now after 20 years...but it just happened didnt' it?..but looking at the chronology of events resealing these cards all seemed to be common knowledge by these "original"dealers. Only we the buyers paying top buck did not know. And AFA statement seems a big cop out...surely they should know!!!

I do hope its not true but evidence till now does not look good for tonitoys.
 
Lee I have to agree with Iain, innocent men usually don't go quiet when accused, especially when it could potentially cost them their business.

Someone in the other thread said something that really stood out to me: When you compare his two posts in the Joiner thread to how many times he came back to defend himself in this one (just because people said he was bad at communicating) you have to wonder why? Why would someone come on repeatedly to defend their business and provide customer feedback to show how happy his customers are over a pretty minor issue yet when someone says he is forging things he basically says "No I am not" and walks off..

If Toni doesn't realise the severity of the situation (perhaps because he has decided to stop reading) then more fool him. If I was sitting on a boat load of genuine factory sealed figures that I planned on continuing to sell to collectors, I am pretty sure I would be here every single day (time permitting) and posting to make sure everyone knew there was nothing to worry about, even if it meant going over the same points time and time again.

For as much as I don't want it to be true for everyone involved the simple fact is his silence has already killed his business. Every single collector that has read this on the forums is now going to steer clear of him for the foreseeable future unless he can come up with some substantial proof that all of this is untrue.
 
lee gray said:
Lol i actually edited my post before the reply, each day my opinion changes, yesterday thought was guilty, today innocent, either way all those in the know like Jim should have mentioned concerns earlier.
the keeping quiet is the main reason i think he could be guilty but as said the damage is now done
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i too am going from one to the other, the more i hear though of tonis dealings ( this is off forum though people i know ) i still lean mainly to him being innocent although theres no smoke without fire hence me holding my hand up to being wrong in another thread.
has anyone thought tony may well have taken legal advice, and his brief having told him to say nothing may well be copying down everything thats been said before dropping a massive bomb on this and other forums for slander/lible ( whichever it is ). ive always felt tony has been honest with me in the past but obviously i cant speak for anyone else, ive even been to his house to collect stuff before today ( not wanting to send thousands through paypal or post ). he has always struck me as not really being bothered about selling or not in fact hes always seemed so laid back hes practicly alseep lol!
having spoken to a few people ( very reliable ones and no im not divulging any names unless they want to come forward themselves ) a few have said about him picking up hunderds of moc fetts back in the day as well as many thousands of other moc figures, this has come from more than one person that used to deal back in the day so theres obviously some truth to it.
 
lee gray said:
the keeping quiet is the main reason i thought he was guilty.
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Yeah it's pretty much the worst thing he could have done in this situation. Sometimes you have to stand up to a bit of flack to get through it, disappearing looks like a silent admission of guilt more than anything else.

lee gray said:
I am only giving him the benefit of the doubt incase he is innocent so if i want to buy more stuff from him in the future.
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Lol at least you are honest Lee, you do make me laugh mate haha

lee gray said:
Although no matter what now people will always have doubt
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Yep but I really think Toni could have turned this round significantly if he had dealt with this before it really got out of control. One or two posts denying things in a 100+ page thread isn't going to cut the mustard even if he was/is telling the truth, surely he can grasp that.

It's like anything, when people stop communicating we fear the worst..unfortunately we know from past incidents that most people that start to go quiet have got something to hide.

jimbody1 said:
has anyone thought tony may well have taken legal advice, and his brief having told him to say nothing may well be copying down everything thats been said before dropping a massive bomb on this and other forums for slander/lible ( whichever it is ). ive always felt tony has been honest with me in the past but obviously i cant speak for anyone else, ive even been to his house to collect stuff before today ( not wanting to send thousands through paypal or post ). he has always struck me as not really being bothered about selling or not in fact hes always seemed so laid back hes practicly alseep lol!
having spoken to a few people ( very reliable ones and no im not divulging any names unless they want to come forward themselves ) a few have said about him picking up hunderds of moc fetts back in the day as well as many thousands of other moc figures, this has come from more than one person that used to deal back in the day so theres obviously some truth to it.
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Even if we were to give Toni the benefit of the doubt and assume he was contacting lawyers or building a case for himself behind the scenes, the least he could do is make people aware of things. I am almost positive that even if you can't comment much when you go down that path you can still tell people you are seeking legal advice.
 
I am sure Jason has posted extracts from an email that he has received from a buyer that has been speaking to Toni personally. In it Toni apparently has rubbished the idea that these are 'fake' but has accepted returns -surely if he had lawyered up then he would not be discussing this with anyone

Also, I am not sure where he could go down the slander route - just as much as I don't think anyone will ever have any joy suing him
 
itfciain said:
I am sure Jason has posted extracts from an email that he has received from a buyer that has been speaking to Toni personally. In it Toni apparently has rubbished the idea that these are 'fake' but has accepted returns -surely if he had lawyered up then he would not be discussing this with anyone

Also, I am not sure where he could go down the slander route - just as much as I don't think anyone will ever have any joy suing him
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I've PMd for an update on that.

Jason
 
I requested a refund almost two weeks ago and he never replied. If anyone knows a way to contact him directly, I would ask that they PM me here or via RS.
 
I sent him a message a couple of days ago and he replied so guess hes just avoiding certain emails.
 
lee gray said:
I sent him a message a couple of days ago and he replied so guess hes just avoiding certain emails.
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Yeah, one's asking for money back.

Has anyone tried ordering any more of his made to order crap since the bombshell fell?

:)

Jason
 
Lol..

And what did you have to chat about Lee? ;)

Funny he won't answer refund emails eh? :roll: :lol:
 
Joe said:
Lol..

And what did you have to chat about Lee? ;)

Funny he won't answer refund emails eh? :roll: :lol:
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Just along the lines that it would be in his best interest for him to post here
 
Lee Gregory said:
Hey Pete very nice MOC mate.

A common card but items that are mint are always desirable IMO no matter what they are.

It makes me cry when I look on his site and see all the Palitoy he used to have available,there is a pic of a 30bk Yoda that is unbelieveable
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Stop talking about that beautiful 30 back Lee :(
:lol:
 
lee gray said:
I sent him a message a couple of days ago and he replied so guess hes just avoiding certain emails.
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which email did you use?

I'm also wondering if anyone else here had to use a go-between to make their purchase. How it happened that I actually got suckered into buying from him was I missed out on a sale of a Palitoy Fett on RS. I posted in the thread how I would have liked to have bought it, and received a PM from RS member jimuk. Jimuk suggested contacting Toytoni. I did but never heard back. I don't remember if jimuk checked-in with me or vice-versa, but after explaining I hadn't heard back, he got in touch with Toni directly.

Needless to say, I should have gone with my gut instincts as I was having a payment issue with PayPal converting from USD to BP because I'm a Canadian, paying from my Canadian credit card, and I had set-up a USD account, and the explanation I got at the time from PayPal was they weren't capable of crossing-over with conversion from more than one currency (CDN>USD>BP)

Jim had a snappy solution to the mess - I send the payment to him in USD, and then he would pay Toni.

What sucked in retrospect is that I never saw the actual MOC from a photo. Bought it sight unseen, and based entirely on the glowing recommendation and word that it was in primo condition. And to be honest, after all the hassle, I was thankful that jimuk offered to help out because I was thrilled to add it to my collection.

Now, not so much.

Reading through the threads on Toytoni, it seems like a lot of people stuck their neck out for this guy over the years, endorsing and making recommendations. Generally speaking and not specific to my experience, a part of me can't help wonder if any of them were in on it.
 
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