Stupid question alert!!

[olisuds]

Hi Joe, no you read me wrong. Yes I absolutely agree Lili Ledy produced their own figures. My point was that we dont know 100% for sure that they produced every single one of their figures through out the duration of their entire release do we? When you mentioned the Made in Mexico figures and Lili Ledy figures had exactly the same COO and were made in the same factory I just proposed that perhaps the "Made in Mexico" figures could have been made by Kenner rather than Lili Ledy. I dont know if there's anything in it. As I said this guy said the factories were completely different entities in Mexico and he was even able to give the different location for Kenner versus Lili Ledy. It seemed an interesting perspective.

 

[olisuds]

This is the thread i was referring too. It all gets a bit confusing and there's alot of disagreements - interesting reading though. Page 9 in particular although best to read the whole thing so as not to take it out of contxt - which i probably have

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t319p105-lili-ledy-factory

In fact, it was a General Mills factory, not Lili Ledy . LL produced a lot of things including dolls (also SW) and some licensed Kenner stuff but no Star Wars action figures...sorry!!
All these left over found years ago are from the GM factory plant in Tijuana.

Lili Ledy producing Star Wars action figures or vehicles is just a "myth"...

In 83, the Spanish company was tested as subsidiary for the production but it didn't met the expectatives... So General Mills invested in a totally new plant near the US borders; Tijuana. This new mexican factory would produce most part of the SW toy line for the continetal market and also supply the European market once the factory reach its maximum production level.

Mid 84, General Mills took the control over the PBP spanish company to concentrate the production for the European market and give up the factories of Calais(france) and Coalville(UK). Since then, the spanish company already imported mexican production from the factory of Tijuana. (what makes totally sense to me now)

The factory of Tijuana was funded by General Mills with their own funds and had no connection with the Mexican Lili-Ledy company unless to provide manufactured product too be packaged in their factory of Tlanepantla.

 

[Snake_eyes_82]

I heard from some experienced Mexican collectors that the Kenner factories in Mexico were a completely seperate entity to the Lili Ledy factories in Mexico. So Lili LEdy didnt just package up some figures on Ledy cards and others on Kenner cards which were shipped to the US. So this would mean that Made in Mexico figures shouldnt technically be called Lili Ledy figures!?

I think I actually read this somewhere before oli I've always said that about the Kenner MIM. What do they get called if you send them to the AFA or UKG? If its a Kenner MIM will it say Lili Ledy or kenner I mean?

 

[Snake_eyes_82]

Sorry dident see this thread was 2 pages long this has probably been answerd above

 

[Dr Dengar]

Guys, please read carefully and don't spread any Black Wampas. 8)

There was some confusion, but in the end there was agreement: Lili Ledy produced their own figures.

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t319p120-lili-ledy-factory

Hi Guys,

OZIO - Great article and no more doubt about their own production on site... :bow:

So what the hell they done in that plant of Tijuana??? The space ships we can found on European boxes?? Y-Wing, Rancor, Skiff....??? ...And maybe the two Ewok Logray and Lumat world-widely available???

 

[Dr Dengar]

I guess that leads us to the old question Jay posed once, when does a MIM become a Ledy? When it's loose of course! Whether you should call a MIM a Ledy when you know it came on a Kenner card is up to you but I bet MIM figures have been sold on as Ledy knowingly or unknowingly..just gotta decide if it matters to you or not as a collector I guess!

I would reverse the question, when does a Ledy become a MIM? When it's on a Kenner card off course! When it is loose, it is a Ledy figure (with sometimes Kenner accessories).

BTW: There were some theories about MIM figures being different compared to Lili Ledy figures. Sofar w/o supporting evidence.
They are all Ledy figures.

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t2135p105-the-lili-ledy-discussion-thread#LumatCase

EDIT: Corrected a small mistake.

 

[Joe]

There was some confusion, but in the end there was consesnsus: Lili Ledy produced their own figures.

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t319p120-lili-ledy-factory

I didn't think there was ever any confusion about if Ledy produced their own figures or not? The thread you linked does indeed have some great discussion on the factory location though.

 

[Dr Dengar]

I didn't think there was ever any confusion about if Ledy produced their own figures or not? The thread you linked does indeed have some great discussion on the factory location though.

In the factory thread there was confusion about a GM plant in Tijuana producing the complete 3 3/4" line of figures. If that would have been the case, technically spoken there would not be any Lili Ledy figures. So location is important here. 8)

 

[jackabina]

****ing hell! Who opened this can of worms?
The reason I ask, is because I would like to own a lili ledy Ree Yees. If I purchased a MIM Kenner card, could I rightly say I had a ledy figure?

 

[Dr Dengar]

****ing hell! Who opened this can of worms?
The reason I ask, is because I would like to own a lili ledy Ree Yees. If I purchased a MIM Kenner card, could I rightly say I had a ledy figure?

Yup!

 

[Pomse2001]

Great thread Neil, hope your mim makes you happy.

I think Marco is right, it is a ledy

 

[olisuds]

There was some confusion, but in the end there was consesnsus: Lili Ledy produced their own figures.

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t319p120-lili-ledy-factory

I didn't think there was ever any confusion about if Ledy produced their own figures or not? The thread you linked does indeed have some great discussion on the factory location though.

Marco, Joe, Just to reiterate my point. I was in no way trying to suggest Lili ledy didnt produce any of their own figures.

That whole thread is quite confusing to be honest. The whole point I was trying to make was that there seems to be some suggestion that there were different factories in Mexico, different locations, different company names and different ownerships which seem to have transfered through acquisitions or mergers at different points in history. There are also disagreements about who produced what lines and when exactly and which molds were imported from x to y between Kenner, Lili Ledy and even PBP and when this all happened.

My questions are: (1) At some point were Lili Ledy and Kenner manufacturing operations separate? (2) Do we know 100% for sure that Lili Ledy produced every single one of their figures through out the duration of their entire release?

Perhaps the "Made in Mexico" figures could have been made by the Kenner factory rather than Lili Ledy. I don't know if there's anything in it. It maybe entirely incorrect but it certainly seems plausible to me.

 

[Joe]

I honestly don't know why that thread was chucked into the mix to be honest Oli lol! It's just confusing things even more than they already are, we were just discussing Ledy having moulds not the location of the factory (or Negrito Yoda's ).

BTW Sorry I got you wrong Oli but I felt that this post you made might be a bit confusing to others:

Well I guess there is always the option that the figures were made in Asia and shipped to both Kenner and Lili Ledy in Mexico where they were packaged and distributed. Or perhaps Kenner in Mexico made them for both US and domestically for Lili Ledy as Lili Ledy they didnt have their own moulds for these figures. Just purely speculating here but the point is its always difficult to accurately piece together such a messy manufacturing history 30 years on.

I realise now that you were theorising and that it was more to do with the timeline we were discussing and if there was a period when figures were shipped in before Ledy had the moulds but if your post is skimmed by someone (just like I did) it could look like there was doubt about the factory producing figures/having their own moulds. At least it was a good excuse to post up some nice images of the factory

Actually, thinking about it and going on what we know I honestly think that Ledy always had the moulds for whichever figure they were producing at that time as the intention was probably always to set them up as a full blown factory. Starting small would have given them the time to get things right for when production stepped up (more figures and larger batches etc). As they gradually did more and more figures for their own country Kenner probably thought why not take advantage of a factory so close and got them to make figures for the US as well (or maybe that was the reason for the factory all along?) and we ended up with MIM's.

One day we might hear from the people who made the real decisions with regard to this stuff, it's interesting really because all of this information has nothing to do with toys and all to do with business!



Back to the discussion

 

[olisuds]

No worries Joe, I dont think any one is confused as much as me right now

When I made that quote I was reffering just to the MIM figures not all Lili Ledy figures although from reading it back I can see that perhaps i didnt make it clear.

The reason i thought the discussion relevant was because if there was a Kenner factory (which I still believe there was ) and if they made the Made in Mexico figures (which they could of ) then it would mean that they should all be classified as "Made in Mexico" or even "Kenner" rather than Lili Ledy. Which is kind of the whole point of the initial discussion right?

Negrito Yoda's were just a bonus topic. Personally I just enjoyed reading all the bitching :lol:

OK I resign! I think I'm facing an up hill battle on this one.

 

[shawn_k]

Guys, please read carefully and don't spread any Black Wampas.

Unfortunately, this thread is another proven point of just that. It's certainly up to each collector take with them what they will over the links that have been posted, but I personally don't buy all the info that some collectors on TIG have posted. Their stories haven't always added up and some of it was disproved at the CVI Panel by a much more trusted collector in my opinion. These collectors have made promises of photos and various other things, but so far we just have a video of some guys driving around to a building. That's still not to say that they did find the factory, but it still doesn't prove any of their other stories that they claimed like receiving a figure built from overstock parts at the end of a factory tour for example which was also disproved at the CVI panel. There's also the story of meeting Jack at CV who ended up being Tom N that these same collectors claimed was a Ledy employee, but as we all know is a Kenner employee.

If you want to believe the info that these guys have posted that is certainly up to each collector, but I think it should be continually said when sharing this information that it is still theory. I still find it odd that none of these guys have posted the same information on RS where for example the one who presented that panel at CVI is a member, who actually provided Ledy factory pictures, and got them directly from real Ledy employees. It just seems to me that they found TIG where some of the members were a bit "young" and were Ledy crazy, so they took it as a place to sell their wares.

Last, to keep it on topic, a carded MIM and Ledy Ree Yees will be the same figure, but with the MIM figure, the accessory could be Kenner.

 

[jackabina]

I've just read this back, and I understand about the cards now, thank you. With a loose figure, what leg stamps would I need to see in order for it to be a ledy?

 

[Dr Dengar]

I've just read this back, and I understand about the cards now, thank you. With a loose figure, what leg stamps would I need to see in order for it to be a ledy?

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t2135-the-lili-ledy-discussion-thread#Same COO

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t2135-the-lili-ledy-discussion-thread#Unique COO

Hope this helps you further.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Cheers

 

[darthberizing]

Guys, please read carefully and don't spread any Black Wampas.

Unfortunately, this thread is another proven point of just that. It's certainly up to each collector take with them what they will over the links that have been posted, but I personally don't buy all the info that the TIG collectors have posted. Their stories haven't always added up and some of it was disproved at the CVI Panel by a much more trusted collector in my opinion. The TIG collectors have made promises of photos and various other things, but so far we just have a video of some guys driving around to a building. That's still not to say that they did find the factory, but it still doesn't prove any of their other stories that they claimed like receiving a figure built from overstock parts at the end of a factory tour for example which was also disproved at the CVI panel. There's also the story of meeting Jack at CV who ended up being Tom N that these same collectors claimed was a Ledy employee, but as we all know is a Kenner employee.

If you want to believe the info that these guys have posted that is certainly up to each collector, but I think it should be continually said when sharing this information that it is still theory. I still find it odd that none of these guys have posted the same information on RS where for example the one who presented that panel at CVI is a member, who actually provided Ledy factory pictures, and got them directly from real Ledy employees. It just seems to me that they found TIG where a lot of the members were a bit "young" and were Ledy crazy, so they took it as a place to sell their wares.

Last, to keep it on topic, a carded MIM and Ledy Ree Yees will be the same figure, but with the MIM figure, the accessory could be Kenner.

Shawn

Respectfully, don't say "TIG collectors". They are members of the forum, they aren't the forum itself. It's obviously a couple of people you are referring to (which is your right of course) but don't lump them to imply some faction which doesn't exist. I doubt it was your intention, but want to make the point clear.

 

[shawn_k]

Shawn

Respectfully, don't say "TIG collectors". They are members of the forum, they aren't the forum itself. It's obviously a couple of people you are referring to (which is your right of course) but don't lump them to imply some faction which doesn't exist. I doubt it was your intention, but want to make the point clear.

John, I was being nice by generalizing and not singling anyone out. Honestly, I wish the people who had a problem with the way I worded the post would have actually contacted me rather than stirring the pot. Even though I'm now accused of doing that. Send me an email/pm if you really want to discuss this further. I've never been difficult to get ahold of and this thread had pretty much died.

 

[darthberizing]

Just sent you an Email.

Only posted my reply because I don't want TIG members to feel they're grouped in with people who haven't been forthcoming. Nothing more. I also know your intentions were well placed. No worries.