Stupid question alert!!

[jackabina]

Without wishing to sound like a knob, whats the difference between a card which says 'made in mexico' on it, a a card displaying the Lili Ledy logo?

 

[x-pack]

8)

 

[itfciain]

I believe that certain figures were made in Mexico for Kenner - hence the Kenner logo and the Made in Mexico on the back. These were made by Lili Ledy but no branded as such - I am pretty certain that the ones branded with the logo were actaully sold in Mexico

 

[jackabina]

That may well be the answer :lol:

 

[chazb73]

I have a short mouth biker scout on a jedi card - but Im sure it doesnt say made in mexico, is it still the ledi version of the biker scout (actually this might be a daft question :? )

 

[Joe]

Kenner had the following figures made in Mexico (or MIM)

While they aren't on Ledy cards the figures were produced in Mexico and are all considered Ledy variants. However these were not always packaged with Ledy accessories so you may have a short mouth "Ledy" Scout but he will have a Kenner blaster - some do contain all Ledy accessories but it's definitely more common for them to have Kenner ones.

True carded Ledy figures look like this:

ROTJ is translated in Spanish (and there are even two variants of the logo - El Regreso and El Retorno) and the Kenner logo is gone - replaced by the Ledy one. These are the figures that were actually produced for the Mexican market.

 

[tundra9]

I have a short mouth biker scout on a jedi card - but Im sure it doesnt say made in mexico, is it still the ledi version of the biker scout (actually this might be a daft question :? )

Does the back have an Anakin offer sticker on it? That sticker has a different coo than the cardback itself.

 

[Joe]

I have a short mouth biker scout on a jedi card - but Im sure it doesnt say made in mexico, is it still the ledi version of the biker scout (actually this might be a daft question :? )

Does the back have an Anakin offer sticker on it? That sticker has a different coo than the cardback itself.

Yeah that always confuses people. If it's MIM the correct COO is indeed on the card.

 

[jackabina]

Question answered. Cheers boys :wink:

 

[jackabina]

So, would I be wrong to think that a no coo rees yees is mim?

 

[chazb73]

The Blaster I have is a darker grey than the regular biker scout weapon. Does this mean its more valuable?

 

[aussiejames]

So, would I be wrong to think that a no coo rees yees is mim?

half wrong (or half right) LL RY is no COO & LFL83 going down the left boot.

 

[Pomse2001]

Great thread guys, nice to see there is so many kenner moc that was made in mexico

 

[chazb73]

Great thread guys, nice to see there is so many kenner moc that was made in mexico

I'll second that Lars - brill thread more please

 

[olisuds]

I heard from some experienced Mexican collectors that the Kenner factories in Mexico were a completely seperate entity to the Lili Ledy factories in Mexico. So Lili LEdy didnt just package up some figures on Ledy cards and others on Kenner cards which were shipped to the US. So this would mean that Made in Mexico figures shouldnt technically be called Lili Ledy figures!?

 

[Joe]

I heard from some experienced Mexican collectors that the Kenner factories in Mexico were a completely seperate entity to the Lili Ledy factories in Mexico. So Lili LEdy didnt just package up some figures on Ledy cards and others on Kenner cards which were shipped to the US. So this would mean that Made in Mexico figures shouldnt technically be called Lili Ledy figures!?

I am unsure of which came first MIM or Ledy but at whatever time they were made the fact remains that when MIM are loose the figures are are an exact match to "real" Ledy figures, COO's, plastic, paint apps etc. I would feel confident in saying that the exact same factory produced both MIM and Ledy figures, like I said I don't know if that was simultaneously or MIM came first then Ledy did their own but it's obvious they all came from the same place. I guess that leads us to the old question Jay posed once, when does a MIM become a Ledy? When it's loose of course! Whether you should call a MIM a Ledy when you know it came on a Kenner card is up to you but I bet MIM figures have been sold on as Ledy knowingly or unknowingly..just gotta decide if it matters to you or not as a collector I guess!

Here is a great quote from Tom N on how these were packaged at Kenner:

Hi all,
I was asked to comment on this thread if I could contribute. I'll admit to having no focus on LL product, and limited knowledge on it myself. But I can comment on the point above.

As many of you know, I was Marketing Research Director and worked in the corporate office in Cincinnati from 1982-92. We had a plant on Robertson Avenue in the Oakley subdivision, about 8 miles from the downtown office.

By the early 80s, about the only real production that still took place in Oakley was the manufacturing of Play-Doh compound. However, a lot of re-packing, particularly of action figures also took place there. While some figures were fully produced and packed out into case assortments at their off-shore factories, Kenner also used the Oakley location for overflow pack-out when needed. Figures were sometimes shipped in bulk cases (a box of nothing but 100 uncarded figures in unsealed plastic bags) from factories in Hong Kong or Mexico to Oakley. Lines would then be set up to put the figures and bubbles on cards, then create the assorted pack-outs to ship to retailers.

So, it is possible that figures and weapons were mixed in this re-packing process. I can assure you, no one at Kenner at the time was aware of that of the difference, or that it would be considered a variation by collectors in later years. Parts were parts.

Tom N

And here is a thread that Jay started on RS about this exact subject: http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1032482/

 

[Grant_C]

What a great read. Last paragraph was a massive understatement. Lol

 

[Pomse2001]

I heard from some experienced Mexican collectors that the Kenner factories in Mexico were a completely seperate entity to the Lili Ledy factories in Mexico. So Lili LEdy didnt just package up some figures on Ledy cards and others on Kenner cards which were shipped to the US. So this would mean that Made in Mexico figures shouldnt technically be called Lili Ledy figures!?

I always thought they came from the same factory in mexico :shock: but the looses still look the same

 

[olisuds]

I always thought they came from the same factory in mexico :shock: but the looses still look the same

Yes I had always thought the same thing but this guy swears they were seperate Kenner & Lili Ledy factories with different addresses. I dont know enough about it either way but he was a very knowledgable Mexican collector so I have no reason to doubt him - wish I could find the thread on TIG.

I am unsure of which came first MIM or Ledy but at whatever time they were made the fact remains that when MIM are loose the figures are are an exact match to "real" Ledy figures, COO's, plastic, paint apps etc. I would feel confident in saying that the exact same factory produced both MIM and Ledy figures, like I said I don't know if that was simultaneously or MIM came first then Ledy did their own but it's obvious they all came from the same place. I guess that leads us to the old question Jay posed once, when does a MIM become a Ledy? When it's loose of course! Whether you should call a MIM a Ledy when you know it came on a Kenner card is up to you but I bet MIM figures have been sold on as Ledy knowingly or unknowingly..just gotta decide if it matters to you or not as a collector I guess!

Well I guess there is always the option that the figures were made in Asia and shipped to both Kenner and Lili Ledy in Mexico where they were packaged and distributed. Or perhaps Kenner in Mexico made them for both US and domestically for Lili Ledy as Lili Ledy they didnt have their own moulds for these figures. Just purely speculating here but the point is its always difficult to accurately piece together such a messy manufacturing history 30 years on.

Here is a great quote from Tom N on how these were packaged at Kenner:

Hi all,
I was asked to comment on this thread if I could contribute. I'll admit to having no focus on LL product, and limited knowledge on it myself. But I can comment on the point above.

As many of you know, I was Marketing Research Director and worked in the corporate office in Cincinnati from 1982-92. We had a plant on Robertson Avenue in the Oakley subdivision, about 8 miles from the downtown office.

By the early 80s, about the only real production that still took place in Oakley was the manufacturing of Play-Doh compound. However, a lot of re-packing, particularly of action figures also took place there. While some figures were fully produced and packed out into case assortments at their off-shore factories, Kenner also used the Oakley location for overflow pack-out when needed. Figures were sometimes shipped in bulk cases (a box of nothing but 100 uncarded figures in unsealed plastic bags) from factories in Hong Kong or Mexico to Oakley. Lines would then be set up to put the figures and bubbles on cards, then create the assorted pack-outs to ship to retailers.

So, it is possible that figures and weapons were mixed in this re-packing process. I can assure you, no one at Kenner at the time was aware of that of the difference, or that it would be considered a variation by collectors in later years. Parts were parts.

Tom N

And here is a thread that Jay started on RS about this exact subject: http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1032482/

Very interesting thread and a always great to see a Kenner employee put production/manufacturing in perspective. Collectors like to classify things but there are so many variables its sometimes difficult or impossible to do so.

 

[Joe]

Well I guess there is always the option that the figures were made in Asia and shipped to both Kenner and Lili Ledy in Mexico where they were packaged and distributed. Or perhaps Kenner in Mexico made them for both US and domestically for Lili Ledy as Lili Ledy they didnt have their own moulds for these figures. Just purely speculating here but the point is its always difficult to accurately piece together such a messy manufacturing history 30 years on.

Oli I could see the reason for speculation if we didn't know Lili Ledy had factory moulds but they did. Not sure where you have read that they didn't?

Maybe these pictures of the inside of the Lili Ledy factory will help fill in some blanks on that for you.

These pictures were taken by Shawn at the last Celebration event, one of the collector panels was on Lili Ledy figures. It's been common knowledge for quite some time though that Ledy produced their own figures and the factory in Mexico was full blown production, not a packing factory like Palitoy had where toys were already shipped in from other countries and built on site + boxed/carded for distribution. Ledy were doing everything.

Sure they may not have had their "own" moulds, meaning they didn't create new ones to make sure figures had "Made in Mexico" on them but they definitely had and used moulds shipped in from elsewhere, it was probably too costly to retool the moulds for the sake of a COO.

Sorry if I got you wrong but your post reads like there is doubt as to the claim that Ledy produced figures, there shouldn't be - it's true