Sick and twisted little game, you lot should like it

[Richard_H]

Us in the North, and especially Liverpool, were destroyed by Thatcher's stubbornness which we have still not recovered from. I'm not referring from to the Miner's strike, which did destroy whole communities, but that was both sides of the argument as bad as each other. The dream that private investment would rescue the North of England did not happen. Still to this day we talk about the North South divide. We had a lot of industry up here, shipyards, cars, MoD, mining, Gas, Oil, etc. which have all virtually gone. Whilst some of them may not necessarily be a bad thing the rapid change and shutdown / privitasation of these industries meant not just families, but whole communities were unemployed in a very short space of time. iAnd the Poll tax! Even her party said it was a bad idea but she believed her own hype by then.

 

[escapist]

Morrissey will be happy at last though!

 

[itfciain]

Us in the North, and especially Liverpool, were destroyed by Thatcher's stubbornness which we have still not recovered from. I'm not referring from to the Miner's strike, which did destroy whole communities, but that was both sides of the argument as bad as each other. The dream that private investment would rescue the North of England did not happen. Still to this day we talk about the North South divide. We had a lot of industry up here, shipyards, cars, MoD, mining, Gas, Oil, etc. which have all virtually gone. Whilst some of them may not necessarily be a bad thing the rapid change and shutdown / privitasation of these industries meant not just families, but whole communities were unemployed in a very short space of time. iAnd the Poll tax! Even her party said it was a bad idea but she believed her own hype by then.

I understand why there is hatred but I am not sure that the industries that kept these communities afloat would have survived with or without Thatcher

I also agree that too much effort was paid to the South of the country (especially London)

However, the positives from her legacy - successful privatised companies and increased attention to enterprise were actually the foundations of Labour's successful run in Government (ironically)

She had her faults but I think Britain has a better standing in the world thanks to Maggie and I am sure a country run by Michael Foot (or Neil Kinnock for that matter) would have been a lot worse

 

[Richard_H]

I dread to think what state we'd be in if Kinnock had have been pm. A 1970s politician if ever there was one.

 

[PGowdy]

Well that didn't take long. :lol:

 

[itfciain]

Well that didn't take long. :lol:

See Pete, even you are a true son of Thatcher :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[escapist]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/people-with-no-idea-who-thatcher-was-ecstatic-that-shes-dead-2013040865066

made me chuckle.....

 

[PGowdy]

Well that didn't take long. :lol:

See Pete, even you are a true son of Thatcher :lol: :lol: :lol:

I know, she'd be proud. :lol:

 

[weasel]

i think people deserve their gripe. I think as long as people's views are honest and informed then dead or alive they should speak their mind.

Whilst i'm not really a fan of slagging off the dead, always reminds me of the kid who tries to act tough straight after being beaten up. If you're really that tough say it to the persons face, or at least say it while they are alive. I can see you're freedom of speech argument. Sadly, though a lot of the comments i've seen insulting her are about as articulate as well informed as Gazza after a four day bender!
Bizarrely, a lot of the people who are most vocal about her weren't even born when she was PM.

I dread to think what state we'd be in if Kinnock had have been pm. A 1970s politician if ever there was one.

Economically and financially we'd be on a par with North Korea!

 

[PGowdy]

i think people deserve their gripe. I think as long as people's views are honest and informed then dead or alive they should speak their mind.

Whilst i'm not really a fan of slagging off the dead, always reminds me of the kid who tries to act tough straight after being beaten up. If you're really that tough say it to the persons face, or at least say it while they are alive. I can see you're freedom of speech argument. Sadly, though a lot of the comments i've seen insulting her are about as articulate as well informed as Gazza after a four day bender!
Bizarrely, a lot of the people who are most vocal about her weren't even born when she was PM.

Yes exactly why i worded my statement the way i did. There are those who just want to seem lefty freedom fighters yet don't know what they are talking about.
And from my experience most people didn't hold back while she was alive either which is why i stated why should now be any different. The "say it to their face" argument works on a personal level with people you know or people in your social circle but not with a public figure who's job it was to serve the public. They scavenge and garner votes from those they don't know based on speeches directed at no one in particular so it has to go both ways.
Thatcher did a lot of good when she was in power especially in terms of the economy but she also did a lot wrong and made a lot of people's lives very difficult so it's understandable people are divided and passionate in their views on her. She was a numbers over people leader. A hardened capitalist. Some say that was what was brilliant about her some say that is what made her so detestable. Personally i can see both sides. People are too quick 'chose a side!' In politics, 9/10 times both sides are in the wrong.

 

[weasel]

I don't disagree that politicians, ALL politicians are egotistical, lying, manipulative, two faced, self interested wankers. And they all deserve abuse. I just find it galling that people who weren't alive when Thatcher was in power are describing her as the anti-christ.
As you say she was a very divisive person, but by no means in that league.

 

[Richard_H]

She was no Hitler if that's what you mean. No love lost from me though. Stick her in an ikea coffin and chuck her in a pothole for all I care. Very few, if any, people alive today can justify the expense of the ceremonial funeral. Not as if her estate couldn't afford to pay it.

 

[Stormtrooper37]

What annoys me the most about the whole Thatcher Death scenario, are the scum most of whom were not even born when she was PM and the few that were around, were not old enough to vote celebrating her death - bloody disgusting and shows no respect.

At least she stood up for what she believed in, not like the spineless MP's we have today, Britain was stronger and more respected by the rest of the world back then, today we a laughing stock.

 

[poncho]

anyone have the glee kid (finn) on there death list! :roll:

should of put gascoigne on my list btw!

 

[weasel]

Game of death......... why not

1, Nelson Mandela
2, The Iron Lady
3, Fidel Castro

Voodo dolls nearing completion

mumbo wins! RIP Nelson.

 

[itfciain]

Game of death......... why not

1, Nelson Mandela
2, The Iron Lady
3, Fidel Castro

Voodo dolls nearing completion

mumbo wins! RIP Nelson.

Mumbo has the full house (allegedly)

 

[poncho]

a great man who turned his country around after his country turned his back on him. r.i.p

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

RIP Nelson. The whole world will miss you

 

[itfciain]

Jees - I bet no-one had old Peaches - 25 years old is no age but considering the world in which she grew up in then I guess it isn't a massive surprise

 

[PGowdy]

Jees - I bet no-one had old Peaches - 25 years old is no age but considering the world in which she grew up in then I guess it isn't a massive surprise

Didn't see that one coming. Tragic.