Rate TLJ out of ten

[subzero]

Here's another one I forgot about, anyone remember what the laser shots looked like when Snoke's giant ship was firing at the rebel fleet during 'the chase'?.. the shots all full on dipped over the distance like as if there was gravity pulling them down like hit golf balls, that actually kinda bugged me. :lol:

 

[theforceuk]

Also I don't agree with the "these films are made for kids so us old farts don't matter". It's a 12a so kids can't see it anyway and there are also plenty of great films for adults with a 12 (or lower) rating.

All kids can go and see it, they just have to be accompanied by an adult if they are under 12. Which is the perfect scenario for Disney. Kids don't really go to the cinema on their own until they are about 11 or 12 anyway. It's why Frozen did so well at the box office, all those young kids it was aimed at aren't going to go on their own are they?

 

[Clarkspie&chips]

I thought a 12 rating meant you couldn't see it unless you were that age or have I missed something?

 

[theforceuk]

I thought a 12 rating meant you couldn't see it unless you were that age or have I missed something?

No I once thought that as well, a 12A means any child under 12 has to be accompanied by an adult.

 

[Clarkspie&chips]

Ah thanks for the info, I always thought that's what PG was for and the 12 rating came in after films like gremlins and temple of doom scared the **** out of youngsters.

 

[theforceuk]

Yeah I think they have changed it, I always thought it was funny how the original trilogy is U rated and you see Luke's Aunt and Uncle burnt to a scinder! Not to mention mass murder and arms getting lopped off. It's interesting my daughter is 7 and she gets scared watching Paddington Bair but Star Wars she is ok with. I think it's a lot to do with the context.

 

[_Lee_]

OK, so its now 2 from me.

By January you'll be giving it 10! :wink: :lol:

**** that - id rather play a game with Jigsaw

 

[yoda]

I'm going for a 4 at the moment, if Luke wanted to live like a hermit and be left alone in peace why was there such a build up to find him in TFA? Why did he instruct R2 to reveal his location if he never wanted to be found again as he said:?

I have a theory about that, I think he really did want to be found, but just said what he said and acted the way he did just to test Rey's patience, kind of how Yoda did with Luke goofing around with him to test him before he found out he was Yoda.

That's a good point you could be right maybe it was a test?

 

[Darth Bobby]

Needed a week to digest this film, so didn't comment earlier. Saw it last Sunday and HATED it! Pretty much agreed with every criticism on line. However once I'd calmed down, I decided to give it another go. Went alone on Wednesday, mid afternoon and saw it in a half full cinema. Have to say second time round it was amazing. As said many times online also: If you hated it- see it again! I can't think of another film I've ever seen which has had such a profound effect. I hated the humour first time round but on second viewing didn't mind it, actually laughed. Have awarded it 8 out of ten, 2 points docked for the flying Leia scene. Very brave to mess with the formula, but for me it has paid off. TFA was pretty good but lacked any real surprises, TLJ had me guessing right 'til the end and I can't wait to see episode 9.

 

[Mini99]

Had a few days for my thoughts to come together...
Don't love it, but don't hate it.
The comedy lines didn't sit right.... but it's also a kids film :?
The flying though space, well... :roll:
The whole casino planet, not needed, just a way to sell toys/show what you can do with CGI :?
The killing of the imperial ship with the cruiser, why not use one that had already run out of go go juice just before it did :?
The Pongs and Chewbacca scenes ... :roll:
Even some of the dialogue felt it came from previous films :?
I don't know, so many questions.
TFA was dull and perdictable, R1 was great, these were my thoights from the first viewings, and I haven't changed my mind.
As many have already said, another viewing may help, but not sure that I will be changing my mind on this one, adverage at best.

 

[user 5830]

Interesting to see the scores rolling in...
50% of the votes cast rate it a seven or higher
The highest number of votes falls the seven spot too

 

[subzero]

The current average score for this poll now stands at 5.8, up from 5.5 a week ago.

 

[weasel]

Yeah, surprised at the voting. Especially the extreme scores 0-1 and 9-10. I'm not a fan of it, but it's not THAT bad and I can't see how anyone can say it's THAT good either, given the plot issues and Mary Poppins, surely it starts at an 8 and you work down from there depending what else bugged you?

 

[Grant_C]

I think it extremely positive on a forum that hates Star Wars.

Unless it's plastic.

And an action figure.

From 30 years ago.

With a slightly different shade of brown boots. :lol:

 

[yoda]

I can't seem to find it but was there a vote on here for R1 and TFA? I have started reading the old threads regarding TFA and R1. So far they are all reading mostly very positive after everyone had their first viewing when they were released.
So from what I've read so far it's showing the TLJ definitely has a more divided opinion.

 

[weasel]

TFA is just ANH rehashed. Plot is very similar. A safe bet after the monstrosities a were the prequels, getting things back on track. Rogue one people liked because it was quite dark, everyone dies, similar to ESB.

 

[Sinniberg]

I really wasn't planning to but I went back for a second viewing today kinda just for something to do.

Seeing it a second time on the one hand wasn't quite as bad as the first but on the other hand just re-affirmed how dreadful a film it is. The old characters are handled terribly and so much of it is just re-hashes from earlier films.

It was a full house with mostly adults and children and I have to be honest the "jokes" just went past in silence. Even the Porgs.

It also really saddens me to see such obvious politics appear with the Casino, Rose and DJ story lines(It's all a machine, partner. Live free, don't join." ). And I can't disagree with the observation that it's full of Feminism and SJW.

For me the bottom line is Disney/Rian Johnson could have and should have produced a far better, richer film but it seems that wasn't their intention....

I understand that the story had to more forward but I don't think it could have been done in a worse way......

 

[chewbaccadave]

I'm heartbroken.

Some scenes were mind-blowing and it had the potential to be a phenominal film but overall it just fell apart.

Dreadful script, very disjointed and so many scenes just left me cringing.

I can't even bring myself to go back and watch it again.

This really sums it up for me.I understand we have to move on from the classic originals but it's the crappy way everyone is being "written out" and all these powers we've never seen before turning up that's riled me.Mary poppins scene,hologram non fights and everything from ep7 basically ignored!! The way i feel now i don't care if it all ended,cheers Dave.

I gave it a five because there is a ok'ish film in there somewhere.

 

[Snaketibe]

Sorry, but I've had to reduce my score from a frankly generous 2 to just 1. The more I think about this dreadful insult of a film, the more I hate it :-(

There's so much wrong with it, it's hard to know where to start when it comes to listing its faults :-(

 

[Michael Sith]

8/10 for me and really want to watch it again ( several times)

Loads of things I liked in it, taking it in the round and where they need to go with SW thought it was a great watch 8) it's SW 8) 8) 8)

 

[Grant_C]

It gets better every time.

I've only found one plothole.......

 

[_Lee_]

I decided to see it one last time, and after my 3rd viewing it hasn't improved. If just doesn't feel like Star Wars and doesn't seem to tie in with the others anywhere. Smokes room looked like something out of Flash Gordon and those stupid looking ******* guards of his were rediculously stupid. The fact he dies like a bitch whilst sitting on his arse is absolutely insane and completely destroys the strength / power of the character.

Leias flying still makes me wince and I feel so sad that this has embarrassed the saga. 3 friends of mine who are not SW fans also said how pathetic it was

Laura Dern was ******* awful , that's enough about that.

Regarding the overall quality of the acting , it is ******* awful. I admire Hamill so much more now because it must have hurt him to find out what happens to his Luke. Adam Driver is very similar to Hayden C and apart from a few powerful shouts I see nothing great.

Lastly, and this might offend some - Daisy Ridley is the worst actor I have ever witnessed in a Star Wars movie. You can tell she is trying so hard to act, but she can't -end of. You can tell her speech is scripted ( yes I know its a movie ) but she cannot act the script. Her reactions to surprise,fear and general happenings is very poor and I'm afraid to say she was the wrong choice as Rey, who herself seems to be a complete waste of space now. Boyega is also an awful actor who cannot seem to know how to control his reactions and speech to make it look real. We know it's not but that's why movies are made. Felicity Jones absolutely destroys Ridley in all departments in my opinion and the differences are startling.

So, at the end i m going back to my original 1/10. An awful movie, and an embarrassment to a great saga. However as I always say, that is MY opinion and no one else needs to take any notice. I fully understand people will like it, but its not for me.

The PT has more in common with the OT than this disaster.

 

[db94]

Agree with everything you've said - damn sure I didn't need to see it more than once though.

I find it interesting that my daughter who really likes TFA and R1 also dislikes this film, she's cancelled all her preorders for TLJ hot toys etc.

Majority of her friends didn't like it either, they are in the 19-22 age group and all scifi fans.

Aye it's ***** and no way I'm dropping another penny on the merchandise

 

[user 5830]

Now seen it with an 8, a 9 and a 12 year old in tow, all three think its the best Star Wars film yet... Personally, I think its still improving on each viewing (up to five now) but I can't see it breaking the top four for me, my 16 year old wasn't quite so keen (said he rates it 4th or 5th) and my 13 year old puts it in the top 3.

Disney has clearly hit the target audience spot on with this one.

Shame that Star Wars 'fans' are going it such a hard time; I get it (kind of), but it is after all just a kids film, they all are...

 

[_Lee_]

Agree with everything you've said - damn sure I didn't need to see it more than once though.

I find it interesting that my daughter who really likes TFA and R1 also dislikes this film, she's cancelled all her preorders for TLJ hot toys etc.

Majority of her friends didn't like it either, they are in the 19-22 age group and all scifi fans.

Aye it's ***** and no way I'm dropping another penny on the merchandise

Trust me mate, the second time was because I wanted to give it another viewing, the 3rd was because I took my nephew.

It doesn't even feel remotely like Star Wars

 

[_Lee_]

Shame that Star Wars 'fans' are going it such a hard time; I get it (kind of), but it is after all just a kids film, they all are...

You have to remember that a lot of Star Wars fans will look beyond the essence of the film itself. I totally understand that young and old alike will like it, but there are some that don't. Heck, a lot of people dislike the PT but I myself actually like it and feel it links more to the OT than the sequels. Yeah we got Jar Jar etc but it was about the Skywalker's and in particular one person - Anakin. I would rather they started with a whole, fresh trilogy and leave the Skywalker story to quietly end. What do we get ? Vader's melted helmet, a Vader wanabee and a nobody with any ties whatsoever - i think they are going to try to tie Rey into the Skywalker's in the next film to try to save themselves from TLJ. They will look at negative press / reaction to influence the next one, but tbh I think its past that now.

One thing is for sure, and its something I always say. I grew up in the original era and the OT trilogy can never be beaten. Thats one thing money can't buy, and I can smile whenever I think of it. It was special, and maybe some of us are too protective of it but to me its always a sign of my childhood and growing up. I'm a Stars Wars kid, and the sentimentality is something I love. This ' Space Opera' blew my mind back then and it still does.

I hope the kids of today can grow up regarding the ST in the same way, and I mean that. Just don't expect everyone too like the movies that are released in an attempt to recreate the era we were used to.

 

[ScruffyLookingNH]

Shame that Star Wars 'fans' are going it such a hard time; I get it (kind of), but it is after all just a kids film, they all are...

You have to remember that a lot of Star Wars fans will look beyond the essence of the film itself. I totally understand that young and old alike will like it, but there are some that don't. Heck, a lot of people dislike the PT but I myself actually like it and feel it links more to the OT than the sequels. Yeah we got Jar Jar etc but it was about the Skywalker's and in particular one person - Anakin. I would rather they started with a whole, fresh trilogy and leave the Skywalker story to quietly end. What do we get ? Vader's melted helmet, a Vader wanabee and a nobody with any ties whatsoever - i think they are going to try to tie Rey into the Skywalker's in the next film to try to save themselves from TLJ. They will look at negative press / reaction to influence the next one, but tbh I think its past that now.

One thing is for sure, and its something I always say. I grew up in the original era and the OT trilogy can never be beaten. Thats one thing money can't buy, and I can smile whenever I think of it. It was special, and maybe some of us are too protective of it but to me its always a sign of my childhood and growing up. I'm a Stars Wars kid, and the sentimentality is something I love. This ' Space Opera' blew my mind back then and it still does.

I hope the kids of today can grow up regarding the ST in the same way, and I mean that. Just don't expect everyone too like the movies that are released in an attempt to recreate the era we were used to.

Agree with all of that, Lee. Absolutely right.

I've gone for 5/10 after only one viewing. It could be because I'm massively jaded having just missed the last 5 days thanks to the joys of seasonal flu, but the longer time passes between seeing this film and my thoughts on it then the less charitable I feel and less in a hurry I am to return. There was nothing clever about this film at all. Nothing. It took almost every plot thread that had potential and either killed it dead or turned it on it's head. To waste the scene of Luke handling his sabre lost on Cloud City for a cheap laugh of chucking it over his shoulder was, well, pathetic. I won't go over every other issue I have with the film and absolutely won't mention "that" space scene....

So why give it anything other than 1 or 2? Because there were some nice touches in it. Some original ideas. Some aspects that drew you out of the way you'd always thought of SW: good v bad, light v dark. That I liked. I also liked that fact that it was clearly going to appeal to a new generation, just as TFA did and that's great. I didn't want a film that satisfied the fanboys like we are (OK, I did, but that was never going to happen) but one that would bring the magic I experienced to this generation. Reckon this managed to do that and did it well. So for originality, bringing SW to a new generation and, frankly, balls, I'd give it 5.

Going to be really interesting to see how these new films are considered in 5-10 years time.

 

[user 5830]

I feel that these films are released for exactly the same two reasons the OT was released - To entertain children and to make money. Nothing more and nothing less.

Disney (quite rightly as a business) couldn't give a sh*t about OT exclusive fans, they don't need to, OT exclusive fans are largely irrelevant in the equation. They spend very little money in the grand scheme of the franchise's appeal that Disney will ever see and the noise they make is a small voice grumbling amidst a much louder cheer. Look at the national film reviews in the media versus the moans on forums and the like.

I prefer the OT, I grew up with the OT, I lived the OT as a child, sat through the dark times in my 20's, was excited and then subsequently confused by the special editions. Even more excited by the prequels, but after TPM, lost a great deal of passion for them. To be clear I love TPM, but despite having no love for the the other two, I've never slated them... I'm a Star Wars fan, always have been, always will be. In many ways I guess that I'm blind to its faults and love all the bumps and curve balls it throws at me.

It's the ultimate fantasy universe where anything can happen, where people can be no one and become someone where magic can make people float through space, rocks and space ships can be moved with your mind, where good is pitched against evil and where children grow into men and women through the adventures they undertake... best of all though for me its the alien races which are beyond endless and reimagined in every instalment.

That is the crux.. its meant to be magic, its meant to be new, its meant to be diverse.

The Skywalker story is one of a million stories that can be told, this film is telling us very openly to move on, to leave it in the past, I wish people would stop trying or expecting everything to join up across the universe... Star Wars wasn't constrained 40 years ago and was all the better for it, sadly 40 years of (IMO the utterly terrible) EU fiction and of course fan expectations, it has turned a beautifully simple magical universe into something that's becoming awfully divisive when it should be celebrated for what it is and what it does... make kids and families have fun and forget for a few hours the troubles we all deal with in the real world.

As far as

I hope the kids of today can grow up regarding the ST in the same way, and I mean that. Just don't expect everyone too like the movies that are released in an attempt to recreate the era we were used to.

I can already testify to knowing at least 6 kids (friends and relations) that think Star Wars (the new ones) is the best thing ever and they live and breathe it everyday... the best bit of this new film coming out was having all these kids as excited as me (maybe more so) to see it on opening day, dressing up for it and of course getting all the new toys. The modern toys hold zero interest for me, why would they, I'm both not a kid and they don't fit my aesthetic reference that is attached the OT, but the joy they have and the way they want me to be involved to share their love of the films makes my day

 

[_Lee_]

I can already testify to knowing at least 6 kids (friends and relations) that think Star Wars (the new ones) is the best thing ever and they live and breathe it everyday... the best bit of this new film coming out was having all these kids as excited as me (maybe more so) to see it on opening day, dressing up for it and of course getting all the new toys. The modern toys hold zero interest for me, why would they, I'm both not a kid and they don't fit my aesthetic reference that is attached the OT, but the joy they have and the way they want me to be involved to share their love of the films makes my day

That's what its all about that makes me happy.

 

[weasel]

I've only found one plothole.......

WHAT? One plot hole? Have you been **** faced or high every time you've seen it?
There are more plot holes in this film than there are bits that actually make sense. The "plot" is a nonsense from start to finish.