Rancor Variant help

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Got this figure of evilbay the other day, I have never seen it with this variation in pain job b4, grey legs & green shorts??.

Has any one else here got the form on this figures background??, He is a Taiwan COO - LFL 1984, please have a look at the photos.

Hope I have put this post in the right section.

I have this on 2 other forums already & not a reply in over 100 views - hoping for better luck here guys!





 
That would tell me that few other people have. No one wants to go out on a limb on something they dont know. Could you pose him next to a normal Taiwan Version if you have one???

The midrift and legs do look odd for sure.

Chris.
 
Took a while to find my other RC Tiawan variant Chris as all my loose collection is boxed in the loft at the mo, but I found him, bear in mind that the other regular RC colour'd one is very minty & the shiny paint job type.



 
Very strange indeed. The legs look to be cast in a completely different colour plastic. I would rule out preproduction as it is date stamped but the different use in colour plastic for the legs is a weird one.

I cant think of a figure molded in that colour. I suppose it is most similar to Leia Endors legs but with a lesser finish??

I would recommend looking at this thread and maybe asking AJ Aussiejames as he is clued up on variants.

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t1541-rancor-keeper-variations?highlight=rancor


All I will say is that it isnt one Ive seen but there seems to be a few variations from Taiwan. I hope you get your answer.

Chris. 8)
 
My first feeling is that this is plastic degradation. If this was a known variant, surely on 3 forums several people would have known this and so pointed it out. I may be wrong it's just my feeling on it. I've certainly never heard of an all grey Rancor Keeper variant.
 
Caswellbot said:
Very strange indeed. The legs look to be cast in a completely different colour plastic. I would rule out preproduction as it is date stamped but the different use in colour plastic for the legs is a weird one

I'm not saying it is a first shot, but some do come with date stamps.

As Pete say, 9 times out of 10 it is degradation but it would be nice if was something else. To be fair it looks very uniform discolouration for degradation, what do the inside of the upper leg joints look like?
 
I think this is about all the known Rancor Keeper 3D Prototypes in one place - http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=60054

None exhibit the colours shown on the figure being discussed above, not even the Internal first shot that was hand painted.

If you were going to explore that area you would need provenance to prove anything and if this came from a UK childhood collection the chances are pretty slim for it to fall into a pre prod category.

True enough that prototypes and preproduction have been found in the wild so to speak they were were all stateside and close to Kenner in regard to both background and location (garage sales of former employees etc)
 
It's an odd one that is for sure, his nappy (for want of a better word) matches the arm bands and boots yet on the a normal figure they are supposed to be three different colours.

I haven't got one at hand but I take it the legs aren't painted and are molded in that colour? What about the rest of the figure? What is painted and what isn't on an RK?
 
Thanks for all the constructive input from all of you guys so far, sorry for the delay getting back but I have been away since Friday & only just got back.

Caswellbot - I have posted on the thread you mentioned & have to get back to the reply on it when I am finished up on here, but a useful link thanks you!, the moulding colouration does indeed look a little like the Liea endor but as you say is not an exact match - thank you.

Pete - I do not think that this comes from degradation if I am honest as the legs appear to be moulded in grey & not discoloured at all from what I can tell from looking closely at the figure, if you look inside the peg holes the inside colour is a match with the rest of the leg colour, so we (I think??) can also rule out sun fading as an option.

Spoons - I think we would all like to think that it may be a first shot/prototype but I am not holding out any hopes for that, but would love to solve the mystery behind this figure, the colouration is indeed very uniform & as stated above - I do think that the legs are moulded in this grey colour, I have tried to photograph the upper leg joints as best I can but they seem 100% uniformed grey, the "nappy" part is painted but as you can see is green not burgundy as it should be & has a patch in between the crotch were paint in un-applied, the arm bands & wrist bands are also painted as you can see paint rub on bottom/arm bands & wrist bands, if you look closely at the bottom of the boots you can also see the paint is scratched off somewhat & even at the deepest part of the scratch the under layer is the grey moulded? colouration.

Joe - Excellent link to the first shots & prototypes Joe thank you, the figure I have is quite close in colour (on the legs at least) to the none sonic welded (orange bodied) one on the link you posted, but not exactly the same for sure, the legs as mentioned above are indeed from what I can tell moulded & un-painted, but the wrist bands nappy & arm bands are indeed painted & of the same colour, the boot however are also painted but are of a darker shade/colour all together, so its just the grey area of the legs & the flesh colouration of the body & arms that are painted.

I am posting more close up macro shots for a better view for you all as having the figure in hand & looking at photos can be quite a difference IME.

Side note - I do not think this is a custom either as it does not seem to have been "boiled & popped" or re-painted from what I can tell, arms & legs are still quite stiff also

be nice to find more out about it for sure as its a right curve ball.






 
After seeing those pics I'd guess pbp. Some of their figs are so rare it's feasible there's a new one....
 
spoons said:
After seeing those pics I'd guess pbp. Some of their figs are so rare it's feasible there's a new one....


I know its a dumb ass question to most on here but I am not up on the abbreviations Spoons :oops: , so may I ask what pbp stands for? & is there a thread which deals with abbreviations & the meanings of them - which may I add would be most usefull for me & maybe others
 
PBP or Poch were the Spanish distributors of vintage SW. But their figs often have slightly different paint schemes or different weapons than the Kenner/Palitoy releases. I'm not sure if they were manufactured in Spain, but they were definitely not made in the regular Hong Kong or Taiwan factories.

I'm no expert on the variations, and I have a feeling most major differences are with the SW or ESB figs, but any time I see different coloured boots or legs I think PBP :)
 
spoons said:
PBP or Poch were the Spanish distributors of vintage SW. But their figs often have slightly different paint schemes or different weapons than the Kenner/Palitoy releases. I'm not sure if they were manufactured in Spain, but they were definitely not made in the regular Hong Kong or Taiwan factories.

I'm no expert on the variations, and I have a feeling most major differences are with the SW or ESB figs, but any time I see different coloured boots or legs I think PBP :)


Nice one Spoons, I am familiar with a lot of the country's manufactures IE Glasslight brazil / Palitoy Uk / Meccano France etc etc, but was not sure as to which PBP was or it being abbreviation for Poch, so thanks for clearing that up.

no idea about an abbreviations thread on this or another forum? - anyone
 
aussiejames said:
I wonder if a UV/black light would show up anything?

That is a top bombing idea James!, I will have to take it in to town with me next time I go along with a camera & see if I can get a shop to put it under the cash light, & take a photo - they will think me a right wierdo, & they would be right :lol:
 
Frunkstar said:
spoons said:
Nice one Spoons, I am familiar with a lot of the country's manufactures IE Glasslight brazil / Palitoy Uk / Meccano France etc etc, but was not sure as to which PBP was or it being abbreviation for Poch, so thanks for clearing that up.

no idea about an abbreviations thread on this or another forum? - anyone

No problem, and this may help

http://trilogo.info/intro-history/european-countries-companies/

there is a thread on one forum, I just can't remember which :lol:
 
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